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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 3, 2022 11:19:13 GMT -6
Click bait subject. I know.
Anyone ever use these on this forum? It looks like they could be an even cheaper way to get the great transparent compression that makes the RNC such a workhorse. The RNC is an awesome tool but it can only be one mono channel (or stereo) so to do dual mono actually puts it in the "not as cheap" category.
The Dual Limiter on the other hand is straight up cheap. But is it as useful?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 3, 2022 11:21:51 GMT -6
Oh yeah... my use case would be as an insert on a board that's being used to track live rehearsals. Probably on vocals and applied pretty darn liberally. Maybe another set on stereo bus for mix down (which I do at the end of the night so I don't have access to all my main outboard) though I'm just as happy to keep that ITB.
Other alternatives I'm considering.
76-KT, LiN76, ART VLA, just buy more RNCs
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Post by notneeson on Aug 3, 2022 12:39:33 GMT -6
No idea, have never heard much about that one.
People like the VLA, that’s pretty well known.
I have the 76KT and it’s completely usable.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Aug 3, 2022 13:20:07 GMT -6
No idea, have never heard much about that one. People like the VLA, that’s pretty well known. I have the 76KT and it’s completely usable. I have the VLAn and yeah, gets the job done and can even be cool. But at $100/channel, the ART Dual is intriguing. The scant reviews out there are pretty laudatory but it's just random user reviews. If it can do what RNC does at roughly 1/3 the cost (again, RNC can't do dual mono) it's a great utilitarian tool. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 3, 2022 13:36:26 GMT -6
PWM limiter. That's neat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 14:45:54 GMT -6
The Art Dual Limiter is a great buy. Lots of studios just have stuff that sounds cool instead of being both functional and sounding cool so you need utility pieces and modern plugs.
Yes the mxr 136/ art dual limiter is more aggressive than an RNC. 4:1 and infinite:1 soft knee compressor/limiter.
It has a More program dependent attack than an dbx 160. I think it’s automatically like 10 ms for first 3 db of gain reduction within the knee and then it’s the selected attack. Dbx 160 is 20ms of expansion and then 15 ms attack for first 10 db. None of the emulation plugins get the action right. Slower release than an dbx 160 which is something super fast for most gain reduction and only slows down with insane digging in.
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Post by bchurch on Nov 5, 2022 18:17:27 GMT -6
I'm having a hard time picturing this being a Great River or PYE for $150. But at the same time, I've got a soft spot for the ART Pro VLA 500's that I found for about the same price and did some hot-rodding to.
At that price, I can always chock boat-trailer wheels with it if I hate it. Wait for these to be selling for $80 by Christmas because, haven't you read? "Software sounds just as good".
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2022 19:04:49 GMT -6
I'm having a hard time picturing this being a Great River or PYE for $150. But at the same time, I've got a soft spot for the ART Pro VLA 500's that I found for about the same price and did some hot-rodding to. At that price, I can always chock boat-trailer wheels with it if I hate it. Wait for these to be selling for $80 by Christmas because, haven't you read? "Software sounds just as good". The ART comps are damn good for the money but. I have seen so many with noisy pots and other issues over time. If ART had built an EQ with these sonics they would have cornered the market. Heard a couple of ARTs with upgraded parts and was impressed. Oh a slight tangent ( not the console) the Original monitors from their corporate cousin were probably the Best Buy in passive s but they need a damn good amp and the latter ones seamed like there were some changes ( nobody would ever let me look inside even if I said they could probably be DIY for 1/3 the price and the crossover could most definitely benefit from better caps). |
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Post by bchurch on Nov 6, 2022 1:52:11 GMT -6
Oh a slight tangent ( not the console) the Original monitors from their corporate cousin were probably the Best Buy in passive s but they need a damn good amp Those would be the Yorkvilles, I believe? I've sessioned on many a set of those and found mixes translated well to the real world. And yeah, the ART stuff is great DIY fodder. Not bad out of the box, especially given the modest price. But the intrepid solder monkey can squeeze quite a bit more out of them. |
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Post by jaba on Nov 6, 2022 10:06:55 GMT -6
I have an original ART VLA that I drug around for several years doing remote recording and it was a great, no issues.
Far from my favorite compressor but can't be beat for the price if you just want a little compression while tracking.
At one point put some Mullard tubes in it. I think it was a little sweeter? Not night/day though for my uses.
Those and the 160x's are my favorite low-cost compressors (not counting dirty crushers).
Also like the PBC-6A but we're talking a bit more coin at this point.
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Post by copperx on Nov 7, 2022 15:10:07 GMT -6
Is there a better deal than $100 per compressor in the new market? What about in the used market?
With the ART Limiter, $1600 buys you 16 tracks of analog compression. I could mix a song with zero aliasing with just that and software EQs. Old SSL consoles had a utilitarian channel compressor in every channel that wasn't that well regarded (in comparison to SSL's bus compressor). This ART Limiter is intriguing if it's usable. I haven't used a PWM compressor before.
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Post by ericn on Nov 7, 2022 16:01:54 GMT -6
Oh a slight tangent ( not the console) the Original monitors from their corporate cousin were probably the Best Buy in passive s but they need a damn good amp Those would be the Yorkvilles, I believe? I've sessioned on many a set of those and found mixes translated well to the real world. And yeah, the ART stuff is great DIY fodder. Not bad out of the box, especially given the modest price. But the intrepid solder monkey can squeeze quite a bit more out of them. Yeah some have told me the later ones don’t sound like the originals. Don’t get me wrong the are a price point speaker, but from the ones I have heard a bit of acidic caulk to seal the box and a crossover component upgrade and they would be pretty decent. |
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Post by bchurch on Nov 8, 2022 13:09:56 GMT -6
I have an original ART VLA that I drug around for several years doing remote recording and it was a great, no issues. Far from my favorite compressor but can't be beat for the price if you just want a little compression while tracking. The VLA500's are slightly different to fit the footprint but I find them tremendously useful. I swapped in some vtl5c1's for the optocell (to ART's credit, the PCB's are thru-hole and thus, less a headache for a tinkerer like me) and a few of the potentiometers. The before and after isn't vast, but it's not negligible either. Really nice on overheads or a stereo bax track. And yes, you can even get interesting results if you drive over the speed limit with them. |
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Post by craigmorris74 on Nov 8, 2022 14:53:35 GMT -6
I have an original ART VLA that I drug around for several years doing remote recording and it was a great, no issues. Far from my favorite compressor but can't be beat for the price if you just want a little compression while tracking. The VLA500's are slightly different to fit the footprint but I find them tremendously useful. I swapped in some vtl5c1's for the optocell (to ART's credit, the PCB's are thru-hole and thus, less a headache for a tinkerer like me) and a few of the potentiometers. The before and after isn't vast, but it's not negligible either. Really nice on overheads or a stereo bax track. And yes, you can even get interesting results if you drive over the speed limit with them. I found the compression of my VLAs to be much more useful with vtl5c1’s. |
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Post by prene1 on Nov 8, 2022 18:13:16 GMT -6
The ART TRANSY I have I really really like. It’s fet based and sounds really good.
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Post by bchurch on Nov 9, 2022 8:29:30 GMT -6
I found the compression of my VLAs to be much more useful with vtl5c1’s. It's amazing what a few bucks difference can make, innit? I bought 10 NOS c1's and matched a pair. I get the occasional 'you have ART gear?' sneer from the corksniffer glitterati when they see those in my rack. I'm sure if I had some sweet new faceplates cut from some esoteric 'neverheardofem' brand and swapped THOSE out, people'd fawn over it. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 9, 2022 8:52:14 GMT -6
I found the compression of my VLAs to be much more useful with vtl5c1’s. It's amazing what a few bucks difference can make, innit? I bought 10 NOS c1's and matched a pair. I get the occasional 'you have ART gear?' sneer from the corksniffer glitterati when they see those in my rack. I'm sure if I had some sweet new faceplates cut from some esoteric 'neverheardofem' brand and swapped THOSE out, people'd fawn over it. The difference between those who use gear and those who simply post on the internet! A friend was asking me a while back what studio he should book based on gear lists, I had to ask what do the rooms sound like? Do you know the condition of the gear? Who are the AE’s? It was all but, but the gear! It’s the GS attitude, hard to explain I would rather a guy with an Apollo a couple of good mics who knows what he is doing, than a trust fund kid with racks of the flavor of the month in his bedroom. |
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 29, 2024 6:50:55 GMT -6
Reviving an old thread....I just ordered one of these out of curiosity. Anyone using one? Seems cool especially for the price. I also saw one on Reverb that Revive had done some modifications to, but it was more than double the original price. Kind of defeats the purpose of budget-based gear. Anyway, if anyone has had any experience, I'd love to hear it!
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Post by mattbroiler on Jan 29, 2024 7:13:03 GMT -6
imho the Revive modded ART units are excellent and depending on the total cost can be well worth it
it's quite possible the Reverb sellers may be jacking up their sale price over the actual cost
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 29, 2024 7:28:03 GMT -6
imho the Revive modded ART units are excellent and depending on the total cost can be well worth it it's quite possible the Reverb sellers may be jacking up their sale price over the actual cost The one on reverb is offered by Revive. |
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Post by mattbroiler on Jan 29, 2024 8:36:53 GMT -6
Aha well then my theory is bunk.
Although I will say the Revive mods hold their price pretty well on resale, I sold a pair of Revive modded Warm EQPs on Reverb for slightly less than what they cost me a few years ago and they went quickly at my asking price. Like just about everyone Revive has increased their prices in the last few years so I'm glad I had mine done a few years earlier when they were still in Caldwell Idaho. Depending on what you are wanting their upgrades can be well worth the money. I am definitely a Revive Audio fan I have sent in a bunch of different stuff to them over the years and everything comes back sounding so much better. Their service is much more reasonably priced than other mod shops I have looked at.
Looking at this ART Limiter unit $199 for the upgrade is not that bad and the stock unit is cheap at $209
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Post by audiospecific on Jan 29, 2024 10:55:05 GMT -6
Reviving an old thread....I just ordered one of these out of curiosity. Anyone using one? Seems cool especially for the price. I also saw one on Reverb that Revive had done some modifications to, but it was more than double the original price. Kind of defeats the purpose of budget-based gear. Anyway, if anyone has had any experience, I'd love to hear it!
Its the reason why I don't dink with mods on devices below $500/ch. Because the mod plus labor would be close to the price of the cheap unit. Even if it was just an upgrade like 5 op amps and 6 capacitors. Say about $50 of parts and a hour of shop labor which is $200/hr. So why upgrade that $200 comp for an additional $250 + shipping when a better used one can be bought for $450 instead. That is why I don't have a website like revive listing everything I can mod. Because the mod should make sense to do financially as well as just improving its sound.
Their EPQ-KT mod is just swapping all the parts and not fixing the design flaws. A guy sent me his revive modded EPQ-KT for me to mod shortly after I started working on a mod online here, even though he should have bough a stereo pair from me 5 years ago when I could sell them to him at $800 ea. Now, the build is close to $1400 with inflation.
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Post by Ward on Jan 29, 2024 11:11:27 GMT -6
Just ask chessparov and he'll inform you that the old Alesis Nanocompressor and MicroLimiter take on and SLAY all comers. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 29, 2024 11:29:28 GMT -6
Reviving an old thread....I just ordered one of these out of curiosity. Anyone using one? Seems cool especially for the price. I also saw one on Reverb that Revive had done some modifications to, but it was more than double the original price. Kind of defeats the purpose of budget-based gear. Anyway, if anyone has had any experience, I'd love to hear it!
Its the reason why I don't dink with mods on devices below $500/ch. Because the mod plus labor would be close to the price of the cheap unit. Even if it was just an upgrade like 5 op amps and 6 capacitors. Say about $50 of parts and a hour of shop labor which is $200/hr. So why upgrade that $200 comp for an additional $250 + shipping when a better used one can be bought for $450 instead. That is why I don't have a website like revive listing everything I can mod. Because the mod should make sense to do financially as well as just improving its sound.
Their EPQ-KT mod is just swapping all the parts and not fixing the design flaws. A guy sent me his revive modded EPQ-KT for me to mod shortly after I started working on a mod online here, even though he should have bough a stereo pair from me 5 years ago when I could sell them to him at $800 ea. Now, the build is close to $1400 with inflation.
And then there's shipping both ways. Mods on cheap gear add up fast in terms of cost/value. It would be different if I had a local guy maybe, but I've never wanted to pay to mod anything in large part because I'm out $100 (for a 1U) to $300 (for a larger piece) in shipping right off the top! Anyone got a guy in the Austin area? Then we'd be talking. |
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Post by audiospecific on Jan 29, 2024 12:27:15 GMT -6
Its the reason why I don't dink with mods on devices below $500/ch. Because the mod plus labor would be close to the price of the cheap unit. Even if it was just an upgrade like 5 op amps and 6 capacitors. Say about $50 of parts and a hour of shop labor which is $200/hr. So why upgrade that $200 comp for an additional $250 + shipping when a better used one can be bought for $450 instead. That is why I don't have a website like revive listing everything I can mod. Because the mod should make sense to do financially as well as just improving its sound.
Their EPQ-KT mod is just swapping all the parts and not fixing the design flaws. A guy sent me his revive modded EPQ-KT for me to mod shortly after I started working on a mod online here, even though he should have bough a stereo pair from me 5 years ago when I could sell them to him at $800 ea. Now, the build is close to $1400 with inflation.
And then there's shipping both ways. Mods on cheap gear add up fast in terms of cost/value. It would be different if I had a local guy maybe, but I've never wanted to pay to mod anything in large part because I'm out $100 (for a 1U) to $300 (for a larger piece) in shipping right off the top! Anyone got a guy in the Austin area? Then we'd be talking.
I've been thinking about the shipping thing for quite some time. Because a lot of my business has dwindled over the years since I moved to South Dakota and now most of them are planning their mods around going through and picking them back up or sending them to me and picking it up when they go gig at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally. I'm trying to figure out something with Fed-x so that I send a shipping box for it, then you pack the unit in my shipping box, attach the label to send it back. Because I figured out if I took care of the shipping, I can write it off as a company mailing expense. It all part of negotiating rates and shipping methods. It only gets expensive when they fly the freight instead of ground shipping.
But this is something I might want to adventure back down into Texas. Even though my family tells me its gotten more crazy there over these past few years. I've been contemplating trying out Austin area for 3-4 months for the past couple of years. Just to see if I can get a tech job and market the pro audio electronics shop on the side. Because I'm not sure just an electronics repair/mod shop is going to sustain itself. I won't know until I try.
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