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Post by svart on Jul 27, 2022 8:36:44 GMT -6
I had an Aphex 108. Dual compressor with the special VCAs in them. Super transparent. I might still have it in the closet too if anyone wants to buy it.
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Post by dok on Jul 27, 2022 21:18:40 GMT -6
I had an Aphex 108. Dual compressor with the special VCAs in them. Super transparent. I might still have it in the closet too if anyone wants to buy it. I'm possibly interested, but... no threshold control? How does that work exactly? It just takes off whatever it thinks you need? Or is that the "Drive" knob?
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Post by sean on Jul 28, 2022 10:08:13 GMT -6
They also made the Expressor, Dominator, Compellor, Exciter and Expander/Gate for the DBX 900/Aphex 9000 series which are seriously cheap. For people concerned about rack space you could 9 channels of dynamics for very little money in 3RU
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Post by svart on Jul 28, 2022 10:50:35 GMT -6
I had an Aphex 108. Dual compressor with the special VCAs in them. Super transparent. I might still have it in the closet too if anyone wants to buy it. I'm possibly interested, but... no threshold control? How does that work exactly? It just takes off whatever it thinks you need? Or is that the "Drive" knob? Yep, the drive knob essentially works like a threshold knob and ratio knob in one. The speed knob is like an auto attack and release in one. Output is just the makeup. I'll look and see if I still have it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 28, 2022 14:49:34 GMT -6
So...got it, but haven't even hooked it up. Weird...the power cord is about 1' long. Gonna have to find an extension chord.
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Post by vanya on Feb 15, 2023 13:46:44 GMT -6
Hello everyone, I see on this post there are guys experienced with Aphex 651 so I hope you don't mind me posting here a few questions I am planning on buying a pair of Aphex 651's and doing the mod upgrades but have a few questions. I read nice reviews about Aphex 651 Expressor model and I will start looking for a decent condition ones. What is not clear to me is a question about running these on live gigs. If I run only one of these Aphex 651 as Aux through the mixer how will it work on more than one instrument? Like if I use it on voc, guit, bass, drums, keys? Can I do that or is it a better practice to have a compressor for each instrument separately? Also another question is in connection with buying these 651's. Is there something that gets broken and its not reparable (or not easily) reparable so I can pay attention not to buy some (worn out) damaged unit?
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Post by ericn on Feb 15, 2023 14:24:01 GMT -6
Hello everyone, I see on this post there are guys experienced with Aphex 651 so I hope you don't mind me posting here a few questions I am planning on buying a pair of Aphex 651's and doing the mod upgrades but have a few questions. I read nice reviews about Aphex 651 Expressor model and I will start looking for a decent condition ones. What is not clear to me is a question about running these on live gigs. If I run only one of these Aphex 651 as Aux through the mixer how will it work on more than one instrument? Like if I use it on voc, guit, bass, drums, keys? Can I do that or is it a better practice to have a compressor for each instrument separately? Also another question is in connection with buying these 651's. Is there something that gets broken and its not reparable (or not easily) reparable so I can pay attention not to buy some (worn out) damaged unit? If what you’re after is the effect of compression you don’t want it on an aux, a comp on an aux is going to be more of a comb filter / phase effect. Ideally yeah throw me a rack full of comps across the inserts of most channels, but if I’m starting with 1 it’s probably either going to end up either on the main vocal insert or on a bus insert and I will mix mono.
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Post by Ward on Feb 15, 2023 18:45:14 GMT -6
I have a 661 (and a compeller 320, and 6 of their old 107 preamps) they're quite useful and clean.
Looking for some 109s these days. Prices range from $49 to $900 . . . because people have no idea what they're worth.
651s are similar in the value versus price category
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 26, 2024 16:44:59 GMT -6
Just racked up a 661 I bought from RGO'er howie (thanks Howie, working great!) and it's just as advertised. I also wasn't sure it was working at first it's so transparent. The lights are moving but... Anyway, I was looking up typical settings people use and came across an old SoS review that listed as a con that it was "costly." That made me chuckle since they're very cheap nowadays. So, anyone remember what these guys went for when they were new?
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Post by Dan on Jun 26, 2024 18:12:18 GMT -6
Just racked up a 661 I bought from RGO'er howie (thanks Howie, working great!) and it's just as advertised. I also wasn't sure it was working at first it's so transparent. The lights are moving but... Anyway, I was looking up typical settings people use and came across an old SoS review that listed as a con that it was "costly." That made me chuckle since they're very cheap nowadays. So, anyone remember what these guys went for when they were new? like 700-800 bucks give or take.
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Post by rowmat on Jun 26, 2024 18:23:49 GMT -6
Have several plus a couple of Compellors and a Dominator. Especially good on acoustic instruments where you don’t want to hear them working.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 26, 2024 18:58:30 GMT -6
Just racked up a 661 I bought from RGO'er howie (thanks Howie, working great!) and it's just as advertised. I also wasn't sure it was working at first it's so transparent. The lights are moving but... Anyway, I was looking up typical settings people use and came across an old SoS review that listed as a con that it was "costly." That made me chuckle since they're very cheap nowadays. So, anyone remember what these guys went for when they were new? like 700-800 bucks give or take. So about $1500 in today's money. Basically a Distressor. Interesting.
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Post by drbill on Jun 26, 2024 21:26:15 GMT -6
like 700-800 bucks give or take. So about $1500 in today's money. Basically a Distressor. Interesting. But sonically 180 degrees opposite of a distressor.
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2024 0:44:13 GMT -6
So about $1500 in today's money. Basically a Distressor. Interesting. But sonically 180 degrees opposite of a distressor. You expressed it so well! Had to beat Chris to it😁
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Post by Dan on Jun 27, 2024 7:52:47 GMT -6
I had a 651 many years ago -- Indeed, clean. My super clean comps are now 2x Safe Sound Audio P1. A really ingenious approach with cascading side-chains; there used to be a whitepaper on it. I've done serious A/B comparison against Tokyo Labs Kotelnikov, and the P1 sounds cleaner/better...believe it or not...not by a lot, but it's there. those look good. Sounds like a take off on some of the THAT design notes with something that’s a clipper for sharp peaks, faster peak compressor for shorter ones, and rms leveler with a blackmer detector and you can make it thise even more program dependent if you want Kotelnikov just has the improved rms detector and the deliberately super aggressive peak detector. You can use yin and yang to make the rectifier partially half wave and let up on how aggressive it is but otherwise attack it is what it is on GE and Insane. Peak release automatically speeds up and RMS release slows down. There’s no crazy way to make it ease up on shaping peaks like Weiss which has attack/release before threshold (softube one has a great limiter for the micro peaks to raise the gain up into like how you could push ren comp output into l1 but this is far better) or Molot with the sigma curve and letting you clip off the micro peaks later with the limiter. Sadly nobody wants to buy utilitarian hardware anymore, they wouldn’t even know how to use it and just use things to mess up prerecorded samples. There are few multi detector units left that unit or aphex or the Drawmer vcas on the market anymore except for the Dangerous Compressor and cleaner more complex plugs. There are not even a lot of new program dependent things anymore. How do you sell someone who cannot use an 1176 an Elsysia Compressor or the Drawmer 1978? Digital with no tonal change or audible IMD? Like really invisible? Sound Radix Powair. Leveler into compressor with program dependent lookahead and adaptive threshold. Look ahead always so long that it cannot distort because it moves slower than what triggered it. There’s no sound unless you use Adaptive Glue preset with leveler on two bus, set attack to zero, dig punch peak stop slider into tonal content or chunky transients, use adaptive threshold slider without the leveler at all, or use the outpit clippers / saturator. Great tool but not really a compressor so to speak. Less of a compressor than even Massenburg’s Dynamic Range Controller he insists is not a compressor.
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Post by Dan on Jun 27, 2024 7:54:18 GMT -6
So about $1500 in today's money. Basically a Distressor. Interesting. But sonically 180 degrees opposite of a distressor. yes the expressors do not sound like crap
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Post by chessparov on Jun 27, 2024 8:21:48 GMT -6
So how good are the Expressors? (I do like Expresso) Chris
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2024 8:54:38 GMT -6
So how good are the Expressors? (I do like Expresso) Chris Express your self! they do Compell you to Dominate😎
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Post by drbill on Jun 27, 2024 9:34:51 GMT -6
So how good are the Expressors? (I do like Expresso) Chris Express your self! they do Compell you to Dominate😎 Too early, and not enough coffee for a 3 in one jolt.....
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Post by Dan on Jun 27, 2024 10:27:48 GMT -6
Express your self! they do Compell you to Dominate😎 Too early, and not enough coffee for a 3 in one jolt.....
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Post by drbill on Jun 27, 2024 10:49:14 GMT -6
Chris is starting to have some competition..... LOL
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 27, 2024 12:37:32 GMT -6
So about $1500 in today's money. Basically a Distressor. Interesting. But sonically 180 degrees opposite of a distressor. Yes, exactly. I wonder what Expressor's would go for if UAD had made a licensed plugin version. That seems to be the kingmaker moment for older hardware.
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2024 17:29:44 GMT -6
But sonically 180 degrees opposite of a distressor. Yes, exactly. I wonder what Expressor's would go for if UAD had made a licensed plugin version. That seems to be the kingmaker moment for older hardware. To clean for an emulation to sell well. The thing about Aphex is at their best the only real dog in the line was their most infamous piece the exciter ( the big bottom part is useful). Even the later 100, budget series is very useable, just not tone monsters even if it has a tube. The clean nature put off a lot of people. Conflict alert the Manufacturering division of Full Co , Intelix licensed the Aphex Aural Exciter circuit for some of the small install mixers.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 27, 2024 18:05:15 GMT -6
Chris is starting to have some competition..... LOL Not in Origami Class though today. I got 110% on my Final. When I turned my paper... Into the teacher!
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Post by plinker on Jun 28, 2024 9:27:21 GMT -6
I had a 651 many years ago -- Indeed, clean. My super clean comps are now 2x Safe Sound Audio P1. A really ingenious approach with cascading side-chains; there used to be a whitepaper on it. I've done serious A/B comparison against Tokyo Labs Kotelnikov, and the P1 sounds cleaner/better...believe it or not...not by a lot, but it's there. those look good. Sounds like a take off on some of the THAT design notes with something that’s a clipper for sharp peaks, faster peak compressor for shorter ones, and rms leveler with a blackmer detector and you can make it thise even more program dependent if you want I haven't seen those design notes -- gotta go digging now... I love THAT!
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