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Post by wiz on Jun 7, 2022 18:14:25 GMT -6
I am demoing the SSL subscription for their plug ins.
Why? well I am interested in the SSL Fusion Hardware.
I just did a quick test of essentially the SSL Fusion, in its plug ins form.
Using the Vintage Drive > Violet EQ > HF Comp > Stereo Image > Transformer
I may have to subscribe.
I have almost completed my next album, and I actually instantiated all those plugs, in that order post ozone 9 (which I use for finishing off mixes).
They sound really great.
The plug in versions have far more flexibility than the hardware. It has auto gain on a couple of plugs, and control over the saturation of the transformer.
I have a 30 day trial, so I will see how it works out.
The subscription plan (which includes many plugs I haven't even tried yet) is 14USD a month.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by wiz on Jun 13, 2022 4:23:36 GMT -6
Okay after lots of testing, I’ve decided to subscribe to this bundle. The SSL plug-in G bus compressor I like a lot more than the UAD version. The SSL fusion plug-ins are really good and offer more flexibility than the hardware…
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by keymod on Jun 13, 2022 4:40:44 GMT -6
I used to have their drum strip and vocal strip plugs, which I thought were quite good. Not sure where they disappeared to....I think they were tied to an SSL Duende??? hardware unit that I sold off because it was always crashing.
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Post by viciousbliss on Jun 13, 2022 14:01:33 GMT -6
I'm really getting a lot out of the Fusion hardware. Even allows me to transform stuff done with lossy karaoke tracks into stuff that sounds like a finished product.
I've only really tried the vintage drive and imager plugins. Since I'm still figuring out the hardware routing with the Apollo Twin so I can mix with it easy, I've
used the plugin imager instead. It's the best thing I've ever used for creating space for vocals. Just stick it on a karaoke track or instrument busses and
it does wonders. In all the comparison videos I've seen, the plugins are much thinner sounding than the hardware.
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Post by bricknine9 on Jun 13, 2022 14:38:43 GMT -6
If you have the computer resources, I'd highly recommend checking out the Acustica Audio Celestial plugin!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2023 11:47:39 GMT -6
Can someone tell me more about the hardware Fusion?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2023 12:21:45 GMT -6
Grabba cuppa:
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2023 13:07:18 GMT -6
Hmmm. I just don't know what it does that a plugin wouldn't...except for the transformers. I've got to start printing through some pres.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2023 13:29:52 GMT -6
BTW - just noticed that the SSL Bundle and the Slate Bundle are bundled together for one price of $14.99 per month for one year. Damn good deal, I just don't know if I want to get something, start using it and then need it when it turns to $40 a month in a year...
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Post by wiz on Dec 5, 2023 13:55:19 GMT -6
I ended up letting it go
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2023 13:58:39 GMT -6
That's what I wanted to hear! |
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Post by viciousbliss on Dec 5, 2023 19:38:56 GMT -6
There's lots of videos comparing the hardware Fusion vs the plugins. I've done it myself. The hardware just sounds a lot less anemic and more alive. I wish it had the flexibility of the plugins though, definitely. But it's already capable of a lot. Pretty close to the Portico II in quality, but they're both capable of different things. I've found the Fusion just as useful across a mix as the high-end saturators and compressors I've tried. The stereo width tools are very helpful. The Vintage Drive sounds the most different from the plugins. Better than any plugin saturation probably. David at MixBussTV does a pretty good comparison of it and the plugin. Vintage Drive was the most different. The HFC plugin was not close to the hardware last time I tried them. Did not like the plugin result at all. The transformer is also really helpful in making an ITB mix sound less anemic. Fusion's different modules all work together really well, it's a smart design. Try it over at Access Analog if you really want to see. Fusion has a pretty easy learning curve and I got one after doing a little with it brought a lot of enhancement.
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Post by RealNoob on Dec 6, 2023 21:32:19 GMT -6
I sub'd and am doing the next album as exclusively SSL and as simply as possible with the B6 in tow. Just picked up some great tips with them from Joe Carrell - master buss and lead vocal. It was videos on the SSL site. Seems there is nearly enough to go all SSL on a mix if you wanted to - 3 channel strips, Graphic EQ, Compressors, Saturators, Buss processors... it's fairly expansive.
I'm going to give it a good run for the money.
Sad the free videos on SSL's site are more educational for me than the master class I paid for. The class was too public. Works better when he talks to the camera only. Still not useless though.
oops, i lied. Can't do without the Iron Age EQs and Neve 542s.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 8, 2023 0:16:21 GMT -6
I listened to the SSL Fusion hardware and was quite underwhelmed. The Dangerous Music 2 Bus+ has the mojo like a real console does. Take a good look at that before buying the SSL hardware.
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Post by viciousbliss on Dec 8, 2023 0:48:57 GMT -6
I listened to the SSL Fusion hardware and was quite underwhelmed. The Dangerous Music 2 Bus+ has the mojo like a real console does. Take a good look at that before buying the SSL hardware. The 2Bus+ can interact with individual tracks though, right? I'm looking at getting one. Might be a smarter investment over building a new computer or buying Console 1 MKIII as the 2Bus+ could hypothetically allow me to cut my plugin usage significantly while yielding better results. The Fusion and 2Bus+ seem like very different things. If it allowed me to sell my Fusion, that would be a bonus. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 8, 2023 11:24:22 GMT -6
I honestly don't know much about the 2 Bus +, but I heard what the color circuit's transformers did to a mix, and it had that hard to recreate big console sound.
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Post by nudwig on Dec 8, 2023 11:47:37 GMT -6
Is this the same plugin package they're now offering to add on to the Slate subscription?
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Post by viciousbliss on Dec 8, 2023 15:33:39 GMT -6
I honestly don't know much about the 2 Bus +, but I heard what the color circuit's transformers did to a mix, and it had that hard to recreate big console sound. I've read some of the manual. You have to do some very specific routing with it in a DAW. While I didn't read the whole thing, it seemed like it would be possible to get it to interact with most every track. It doesn't have digital recall like a Bettermaker or WesAudio device, so I'm not sure how you'd switch settings from one thing to the next. Or if the controls are meant to go across the whole mix only. The impression I got was that it was more akin to a hardware version of a concept similar to Pro Tools Heat. |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 8, 2023 20:33:35 GMT -6
I honestly don't know much about the 2 Bus +, but I heard what the color circuit's transformers did to a mix, and it had that hard to recreate big console sound. I've read some of the manual. You have to do some very specific routing with it in a DAW. While I didn't read the whole thing, it seemed like it would be possible to get it to interact with most every track. It doesn't have digital recall like a Bettermaker or WesAudio device, so I'm not sure how you'd switch settings from one thing to the next. Or if the controls are meant to go across the whole mix only. The impression I got was that it was more akin to a hardware version of a concept similar to Pro Tools Heat. It appears to offer signal coloration across the summing input pairs and the master bus. Dangerous makes great stuff. The Silver Bullet is more appealing to me, although I still get a ton of use out of my OG D-Box, albeit more as a center section. Not really bothering with summing OTB at this point. |
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Post by viciousbliss on Dec 8, 2023 22:25:05 GMT -6
I've read some of the manual. You have to do some very specific routing with it in a DAW. While I didn't read the whole thing, it seemed like it would be possible to get it to interact with most every track. It doesn't have digital recall like a Bettermaker or WesAudio device, so I'm not sure how you'd switch settings from one thing to the next. Or if the controls are meant to go across the whole mix only. The impression I got was that it was more akin to a hardware version of a concept similar to Pro Tools Heat. It appears to offer signal coloration across the summing input pairs and the master bus. Dangerous makes great stuff. The Silver Bullet is more appealing to me, although I still get a ton of use out of my OG D-Box, albeit more as a center section. Not really bothering with summing OTB at this point. I went through the manual some more. So, it's talking about routing mono tracks along with the stereo stuff. Routing certain types of instruments to certain inputs on the 2bus+. I guess some of fx are only for going across the mix. Maybe you could pick and choose what tracks get what fx for those that work on individual tracks. The manual could be a little more plain English and step by step. There's some hints in it about stereo imaging, so looks like it can manipulate the stereo image some. There's a lot of inputs for other hardware. The impression I got was that it's an extremely versatile box. It's a ton more intricate than the Fusion and has a bit of a learning curve. Fusion is very simple. |
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