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Post by Guitar on May 27, 2014 14:01:57 GMT -6
"Nigel" 4 channels of reamp either unbalanced 1/4" or balanced mic level XLR, switchable switchable 16 or 24 channels of analog summing on 3 DB25s, with selectable transformer, or capacitor coupled outputs It really does sound better than DAW summing to me. I am hearing the depth, width, and space around individual instruments people are talking about. No turning back for me now! This was a missing piece I didn't know how much I needed, and it was a fun project. I love subtle but big improvements like this. Next move will be to try an actual mixer, but this one's sounding very nice.  |
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Post by warren on May 27, 2014 14:03:39 GMT -6
nice
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Post by svart on May 29, 2014 19:57:53 GMT -6
Interesting. This should probably go in the DIY section.. And also, you should think about using shielded cable..
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Post by scumbum on Jun 1, 2014 16:21:28 GMT -6
It really does sound better than DAW summing to me. I am hearing the depth, width, and space around individual instruments people are talking about. No turning back for me now! This was a missing piece I didn't know how much I needed, and it was a fun project. I love subtle but big improvements like this. Next move will be to try an actual mixer, but this one's sounding very nice. I did some OTB tests today summing through a Mackie and it sounded better than the ITB mix . It was subtle at first , but then I started hearing it when I would A/B back and forth . It was like a "wide" button is switched , the low end got more solid and deeper as I switched back and forth . The mix got overall bigger . For not having to do ANYTHING but sum the tracks OTB , well its a no brainer what I'm gonna be doing from now on . The Nigel probably sounds even better with those transformers . Only problem is every time I read Nigel I think of this guy ,  |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2014 0:19:51 GMT -6
I'm not having any noise problems with it unless it's very close to a computer. It's actually very quiet. I attribute any noise to the unshielded transformers. A mu metal shielded Cinemag, Carnhill, etc, would be an overall more optimal choice.
Moderators can move my thread if they wish but I posted it here because this is where I wanted it posted. Thanks. I like this forum more when it's friendly and small, not a big fan of bickering.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2014 0:20:30 GMT -6
Indeed there is that... hahaha. Also agree with your observations about width and depth. |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2014 0:21:11 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 2, 2014 8:25:51 GMT -6
It really does sound better than DAW summing to me. I am hearing the depth, width, and space around individual instruments people are talking about. No turning back for me now! This was a missing piece I didn't know how much I needed, and it was a fun project. I love subtle but big improvements like this. Next move will be to try an actual mixer, but this one's sounding very nice. I did some OTB tests today summing through a Mackie and it sounded better than the ITB mix . It was subtle at first , but then I started hearing it when I would A/B back and forth . It was like a "wide" button is switched , the low end got more solid and deeper as I switched back and forth . The mix got overall bigger . For not having to do ANYTHING but sum the tracks OTB , well its a no brainer what I'm gonna be doing from now on . The Nigel probably sounds even better with those transformers . Only problem is every time I read Nigel I think of this guy , so do i, and thats a good thing, it makes me smile every time 8) as far as your observations, yup i agree, IMO voltage summing is the shit, it has a relaxed and puzzle completing sound to it, digital 1's/0's summing has a disconnected sound to it, i find that the more i'm in the voltage domain, the happier i am with the sound, hybrid is the way to go in this day and age. Nice job on your rig Guitar svarts recommendation of shielded wire is a good one imo also, wouldn't worry unless you hear noise though |
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Post by svart on Jun 2, 2014 11:50:30 GMT -6
The shielding I speak of is more for crosstalk issues inside the box rather than noise ingress into the box from the outside. The metal box itself is essentially a big shield and will work for keeping out most EMI/RFI.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 2, 2014 15:46:24 GMT -6
Nice!
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2014 21:57:16 GMT -6
Oh by the way, yes, the transformer outputs do add a certain amount of mojo, what have you. Subtle, but you notice it. |
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