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Post by ericn on May 18, 2022 21:23:33 GMT -6
There are some videos floating around with people recording whole albums with just one MKH mic. Honestly I would choose an MKH 40 over a KM84
off topic but Senn for the win here on utmost clarity and depth of image, hear the quietest clearly against the loudest. They frequently get too stark on drum OH or room, but fantastic on most acoustic instruments. I'd never put one on an electric guitar amp, it'll sound just like that crap actually sounds! That 184 sounds like an AM radio after hearing the 8040. I do prefer the MKH20/30/40 for the EQ and pad switches lacking on the 8000 series. I understand the 8000 also has more color, with the slight bass/treble boost lacking in the earlier. Desert island, I'd ask for 2 and it's prob MKH 20 and a Samar MF-65. 3, I'd add an MKH 30. I had a remote VO capture gig for awhile, frequently an Oktava MK-012 cardioid was the best sounding thing. Doug there is something that Senn SDC’s bring to the party that nobody else can touch, but the reality is that for all that detail there is just something musical they miss. At times Sennhiser just feels lifeless, now if you could combine the best of Senn and Neumann it would be perfect, someday, someday.
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Post by EmRR on May 18, 2022 21:47:36 GMT -6
off topic but Senn for the win here on utmost clarity and depth of image, hear the quietest clearly against the loudest. They frequently get too stark on drum OH or room, but fantastic on most acoustic instruments. I'd never put one on an electric guitar amp, it'll sound just like that crap actually sounds! That 184 sounds like an AM radio after hearing the 8040. I do prefer the MKH20/30/40 for the EQ and pad switches lacking on the 8000 series. I understand the 8000 also has more color, with the slight bass/treble boost lacking in the earlier. Desert island, I'd ask for 2 and it's prob MKH 20 and a Samar MF-65. 3, I'd add an MKH 30. I had a remote VO capture gig for awhile, frequently an Oktava MK-012 cardioid was the best sounding thing. Doug there is something that Senn SDC’s bring to the party that nobody else can touch, but the reality is that for all that detail there is just something musical they miss. At times Sennhiser just feels lifeless I call bullshit on that, after all I just called 2 of them desert island mics! Tell it to all the musicians who love their results here! I've never heard another mic touch them for their ability to reveal every bit of multi-dimensional harmonic detail in a stringed instrument; ya know, that thing that gives sound life! The SDC Neumann have a special midrange thing not found in others, it's what people love about them, but then, so do telephones! : )
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Post by ericn on May 18, 2022 21:53:32 GMT -6
Doug there is something that Senn SDC’s bring to the party that nobody else can touch, but the reality is that for all that detail there is just something musical they miss. At times Sennhiser just feels lifeless I call bullshit on that, after all I just called 2 of them desert island mics! Tell it to all the musicians who love their results here! I've never heard another mic touch them for their ability to reveal every bit of multi-dimensional harmonic detail in a stringed instrument; ya know, that thing that gives sound life! The SDC Neumann have a special midrange thing not found in others, it's what people love about them, but then, so do telephones! : ) They are great at what they do it’s well damn it my friend they don’t have that 84 thing! Yeah I said it ! Cause as great as they are they bring everything the 84 can’t but they just don’t have that quality. Of course the inverse is the 84 fails at bringing what those Sennhisers bring. Is either better? Eh no because I want it all ! Helll don’t get me wrong I do want it all and if I were at this time to vote with my wallet I would probably go Sennhiser, but I still want it all.
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Post by EmRR on May 18, 2022 22:07:05 GMT -6
I really think the Senn MKH off axis response is better! The flatness and harmonic relationships are more akin to great ribbons in presentation, more than any other SDC's I've used. The one small Neumann I've kept is the flat omni KM131, it's really interesting side by side with the MKH20, sometimes one wins, sometimes the other, sometimes I blend them. They are pretty different tools, but if I had to give one up it'd be the KM131, which has the essential mid range qualities of the 84's and 140's I've used. Great, but not as flexible in shaping ability as the MKH, and harder to EQ to my satisfaction. Put the MKH in the pre color of your choice and they come alive a bunch of different ways, the Neumann sound like the Neumann in pretty much anything.
Oh hell, here we are shitting all over this 87/84 comparison thread......as you were! Nothing WRONG with an 84 or an 87! : ) We all need more mics! I was just bummed to have to return a KM120 that wasn't right, to add another color option to the SDC and ribbon figure 8's here.
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Post by ericn on May 18, 2022 22:17:53 GMT -6
I really think the Senn MKH off axis response is better! The flatness and harmonic relationships are more akin to great ribbons in presentation, more than any other SDC's I've used. The one small Neumann I've kept is the flat omni KM131, it's really interesting side by side with the MKH20, sometimes one wins, sometimes the other, sometimes I blend them. They are pretty different tools, but if I had to give one up it'd be the KM131, which has the essential mid range qualities of the 84's and 140's I've used. Great, but not as flexible in shaping ability as the MKH, and harder to EQ to my satisfaction. Put the MKH in the pre color of your choice and they come alive a bunch of different ways, the Neumann sound like the Neumann in pretty much anything. Oh hell, here we are shitting all over this 87/84 comparison thread......as you were! Nothing WRONG with an 84 or an 87! : ) We all need more mics! I was just bummed to have to return a KM120 that wasn't right, to add another color option to the SDC and ribbon figure 8's here. OK before I piss you off😎 the difference was once put to me this way, “ an 84 for some reason doesn’t sound like ass with a Mackie or a Spirit, with either a Senn just feels flat, it’s not really about the mic it’s the interaction with the pre’s we never admit to using “.
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Post by EmRR on May 18, 2022 22:28:06 GMT -6
Don’t use Mackie or Spirit? : ). Has parallels to my ribbon mention, there.
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Post by Ward on May 19, 2022 9:41:28 GMT -6
SNIP . . . . AT makes large diaphragm electret side address condensers. There’s nothing else like them. How do they compare to the Josephsons?
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Post by crillemannen on May 19, 2022 10:32:13 GMT -6
I got a km86 Vs km84 episode coming! Had some time to try them both out properly. I mean if people digging the km84 here I'd say that the km86 is a bit nicer. Not only fuller sounding but richer. I guess it's the headgrille. Sounds more 3d for sure and it sounds very nice and different! In the different polar patterns. Very nice!
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Post by EmRR on May 19, 2022 16:08:30 GMT -6
See, they get along! Neumann vocal and MKH gtr and piano onstage tonight (Gretchen Peters and Barry Walsh) there below mk67/MKH vocal/gtr. Bunch of figure 8’s and omni’s! Hardly any monitor or vcl in those guitars, you could cut replacement vcls no problem. Gtr in the mk67; eh, you know, da LDC sloppy pattern blues…. Attachments:
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Post by drbill on May 19, 2022 22:16:00 GMT -6
If you want Neumann mojo and senn detail - I'd suggest KM53's jammed RIGHT UP on what you want to record. Insane....
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