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Post by Omicron9 on Apr 16, 2022 2:23:01 GMT -6
Yes ! The M-930 is killer. I have a pair of the "T" transformer versions for a little more voodoo tranny flavor.
These work on absolutely anything and everything. No harshness > mics for life  Yup. Fantastic microphones indeed. And I hesitate to break it to you, but the "T" stands for Transformer LESS. But they are will still be as awesome tomorrow as they were yesterday!!! Plenty of voodoo, but they didn't get it from a transformer. Gefell is weird, and all their T models are transformer less. Just wanted to let any casual readers know.... <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Dr. Bill, According to Gefell, the "T" model nomnclature does indeed include a transformer: www.microtechgefell.de/mikrofon?wl=920-M930Ts"The M 930 Ts studio microphone combines proven large-diaphragm capsule technology with an optimized output transformer and a newly developed circuit design." The M-930 is transformer less, as stated here: www.microtechgefell.de/datei/157/M-930_2iTqm.pdf-09 |
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Post by christophert on Apr 16, 2022 3:27:19 GMT -6
Yes ! The M-930 is killer. I have a pair of the "T" transformer versions for a little more voodoo tranny flavor.
These work on absolutely anything and everything. No harshness > mics for life Yup. Fantastic microphones indeed. And I hesitate to break it to you, but the "T" stands for Transformer LESS. But they are will still be as awesome tomorrow as they were yesterday!!! Plenty of voodoo, but they didn't get it from a transformer. Gefell is weird, and all their T models are transformer less. Just wanted to let any casual readers know.... How confusing is the naming ? Then mine are not the T versions - I have the transformers. Goes to show how I don't read the labels I just use them. |
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Post by christophert on Apr 16, 2022 4:36:33 GMT -6
Hang on Dr Bill ...
I double checked my Gefell, and it is a MC930Ts - with transformer.
Info:
"Microtech Gefell M930Ts Microphone unifies approved large diaphragm capsule technology with an optimized output transformer and a new developed circuit design"
Or reviewed in SOS :
The M930Ts model, looks identical to the original, but it's noticeably heavier and longer (at 273g and 130 x 45 mm, compared with the M930's svelte 210g and 118 x 45 mm). It's still pretty compact for a genuine large-diaphragm mic, though.
The extended name explains the reason for the additional weight and length: 'Ts' is an abbreviation of Travosymetrierten Ausgang, which is German for 'output transformer'.
In other words, what MG have produced here is a transformer-coupled version of the original M930.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 16, 2022 6:53:06 GMT -6
Presidential trivia...
What did the "S" stand for, in Harry S. Truman's middle name?
Answer: Just S.
Chtis
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Post by drbill on Apr 16, 2022 8:45:14 GMT -6
Yup. Fantastic microphones indeed. And I hesitate to break it to you, but the "T" stands for Transformer LESS. But they are will still be as awesome tomorrow as they were yesterday!!! Plenty of voodoo, but they didn't get it from a transformer. Gefell is weird, and all their T models are transformer less. Just wanted to let any casual readers know.... How confusing is the naming ? Then mine are not the T versions - I have the transformers. Goes to show how I don't read the labels I just use them. So Weird. The "T" nomenclature on all their other mics does in fact stand for TransformerLESS. Just like Gefell to completely change up their nomenclature mid-stream. Their mic designations are certainly confusing at best sometimes. Just to be sure before I posted I looked on VK as you can see in the pic I attached, and it does in fact state that the T model is transformerLESS. But I guess you guys who own them would know better than me. Haha! Someone should maybe tell VK. LOL. Any way you look at it, pretty much any Gefell mic is a desert island mic for me. Sorry for any confusion. Cheers, bp |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 16, 2022 11:22:33 GMT -6
It's totally cool. It was confuserating. But it does make me wonder what the "T", in "Mr. T"/A Team stood for?  Chris |
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Post by Omicron9 on Apr 16, 2022 15:59:00 GMT -6
Presidential trivia... What did the "S" stand for, in Harry S. Truman's middle name? Answer: Just S. Chtis But did he have an output transformer? |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 16, 2022 17:30:31 GMT -6
Of course not!
He has a "T" in his name.
Chris
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Post by peterhess on Apr 16, 2022 17:43:34 GMT -6
Chessparov- in fact you misspelled Truman’s name: there is no period after the S, as it was an abbreviation of nothing. He was advised a middle initial would make him sound more presidential (and, presumably, less like a hat-maker).
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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 16, 2022 17:57:59 GMT -6
As long as the mic says Gefell on it, you won’t be disappointed.
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Post by robschnapf on Apr 16, 2022 20:19:38 GMT -6
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Post by sean on Apr 16, 2022 21:19:37 GMT -6
Multi-pattern would be big for me for an all arounder, so Heiserman 19 or Gefell UMT70 would be on the top of my list, especially for options you can buy new and are still reasonably priced.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 16, 2022 21:38:24 GMT -6
Looking for a good all around fet mic for female vocals, Acoustic guitars, maybe electric guitars. Looking at the Soyuz Bomblet, Soyuz 017 fet, Josephson 705? I'd guess these are all great choices. I own the Chandler Limited TG mic and it seems to fit the bill for what you've listed. Lots of options and it's great on female voices and acoustics. If I was starting from go again, I might choose the Soyuz 017 fet, but the TG hasn't been a bad choice in any way. |
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Post by sparkey on Apr 17, 2022 20:21:45 GMT -6
I was thinking of the tg mic but I think the Soyuz is better made.
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Post by hadaja on Apr 17, 2022 21:07:13 GMT -6
I was thinking of the tg mic but I think the Soyuz is better made. I found the TG was a very bright mic. Not sure it will be that versatile. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 18, 2022 0:22:57 GMT -6
There is a thread here about it with lots of clips and opinions but, yeah, the TG is a really specific sound that I’d never put in an “all around” mic category. It has a really unique high mid push that some people seem to gel with, but I couldn’t make sense of it, personally.
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Post by damoongo on Apr 23, 2022 10:01:14 GMT -6
I tried the Chandler TG on my channel and it was a terrific mic. A vintage u87 isn't worth the going prices of today. A healthy vintage 87 absolutely makes the TG seem like a tin can. And as far as price goes… if you can afford the upfront cost, you get it all back (and more) when you sell it. Resale of the TG you will take a big loss. 87 sounds great on just about everything, clients love it, and it’s essentially “free rental”. (If you can afford to have that money tied up…) Definitely worth it. |
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Post by crillemannen on Apr 23, 2022 11:05:53 GMT -6
I tried the Chandler TG on my channel and it was a terrific mic. A vintage u87 isn't worth the going prices of today. A healthy vintage 87 absolutely makes the TG seem like a tin can. And as far as price goes… if you can afford the upfront cost, you get it all back (and more) when you sell it. Resale of the TG you will take a big loss. 87 sounds great on just about everything, clients love it, and it’s essentially “free rental”. (If you can afford to have that money tied up…) Definitely worth it. I don't agree about the sound comparison, the TG is a whole different sound type but the resale is ofc true. Paying 3.5k+ for a u87 is stupid even if it's probably a good investment seeing where the vintage market is heading. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 23, 2022 13:24:27 GMT -6
At the last couple of Winter NAMM's, before the Pandemic...
Adam @ Chandler would dial in a couple of TG settings, that sounded first rate on me.
At least one of them, sounded like an Olde Skool expensive tube mic.
But there must be individual variances between "bright" toned singers, that can affect this.
A TG vs. Soyuz 017 FET shootout would be cool.
Chris
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Post by ericn on Apr 23, 2022 18:06:03 GMT -6
At the last couple of Winter NAMM's, before the Pandemic... Adam @ Chandler would dial in a couple of TG settings, that sounded first rate on me. At least one of them, sounded like an Olde Skool expensive tube mic. But there must be individual variances between "bright" toned singers, that can affect this. A TG vs. Soyuz 017 FET shootout would be cool. Chris Chris brings up a huge point here that is probably worthy of its own epic thread, there is an absolutely huge difference in buying a mic for recording a few select voices and for a studio where you need tools that are going to sound good on any and everybody. On the right voice the cheapest MXL will work, I have heard it and yes I reached for better mics,and twice I can say the MXL was the keeper. You can now take away my gear snob ribbon. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 21:12:48 GMT -6
At the last couple of Winter NAMM's, before the Pandemic... Adam @ Chandler would dial in a couple of TG settings, that sounded first rate on me. At least one of them, sounded like an Olde Skool expensive tube mic. But there must be individual variances between "bright" toned singers, that can affect this. A TG vs. Soyuz 017 FET shootout would be cool. Chris Chris brings up a huge point here that is probably worthy of its own epic thread, there is an absolutely huge difference in buying a mic for recording a few select voices and for a studio where you need tools that are going to sound good on any and everybody. On the right voice the cheapest MXL will work, I have heard it and yes I reached for better mics,and twice I can say the MXL was the keeper. You can now take away my gear snob ribbon. Nod's, there's zero consistency or relatable context when it comes to mic selection for a multitude of singers. It's seriously annoying, the two best lead vox mic's for me personally are a $12K Tele or a $500.00 ISK mic.. When I do backing vox it's either a TLM170 or C800G. Fiscally there's no rhyme or reason to it. Yes, I understand that in a studio context one doesn't have time to test out 40 mic's on every singer and usually a well known dynamic, Neumann or Gefell will be good enough. For my personal recording duties I look at types of mic's instead of pricing. |
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Post by damoongo on Apr 23, 2022 21:59:17 GMT -6
Paying 3.5k+ for a u87 is stupid even if it's probably a good investment seeing where the vintage market is heading. Think about what you just said here... |
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Post by svart on Apr 23, 2022 22:29:40 GMT -6
Yes ! The M-930 is killer. I have a pair of the "T" transformer versions for a little more voodoo tranny flavor.
These work on absolutely anything and everything. No harshness > mics for life Yup. Fantastic microphones indeed. And I hesitate to break it to you, but the "T" stands for Transformer LESS. But they are will still be as awesome tomorrow as they were yesterday!!! Plenty of voodoo, but they didn't get it from a transformer. Gefell is weird, and all their T models are transformer less. Just wanted to let any casual readers know.... View AttachmentNot true. The old gefell used to use that convention but the new one is opposite. "Ts stands for Travosymetrierten Ausgang" or "output transformer". |
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Post by drbill on Apr 24, 2022 9:36:18 GMT -6
Yup. Fantastic microphones indeed. And I hesitate to break it to you, but the "T" stands for Transformer LESS. But they are will still be as awesome tomorrow as they were yesterday!!! Plenty of voodoo, but they didn't get it from a transformer. Gefell is weird, and all their T models are transformer less. Just wanted to let any casual readers know.... <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Not true. The old gefell used to use that convention but the new one is opposite."Ts stands for Travosymetrierten Ausgang" or "output transformer". And even that's evidently not true - depending. The reality is that at this point, they seem to use the letter "T" and "S" indiscriminately for whatever they want. I guess positioning in the name matters. Maybe it's a translation thing? Gefell's nomenclature has always been confusing (UM70 = U designating multi pattern, and M designating their LDC, while the same mic with a single pattern ends up a M71. And the M70 designation ends up a = SDC. WTH  and on and on), and at this point, even their dealers don't seem to know what the designations stands for (see vintage kings description I posted earlier). I guess where the T and the S are positioned in the model name matters. LOL. Add a "T" in their current TransformerLESS models that are currently available. But for sure, the T is currently used often in their line to designate TransformerLESS. Both current "T" models with an S that are transformerLESS, and in the current line. Gefell UMT 70S - TransformerLESS Gefell MT 71S - TransformerLESS There are others. I love their mics with a passion, own 7-8 of them, want more, but their nomenclature for describing their mics sucks. LOL. I will make a mental not that a capital T and small s now equals a transformer coupled mic. Or at least sometimes..... |
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Post by shawnh on Apr 24, 2022 9:50:51 GMT -6
I recently picked up an old U89 based on some discussions here and elsewhere. It’s a beauty. I really love it so far and would seem to fit the bill as a great all-around fet mic. They are still “somewhat” affordable in comparison to the 87s. I honestly like it just as much as my km84 on acoustic guitar. It’s really very similar and the flexibility of polar patterns is great. Haven’t really given it a good run through yet on many other sources but it’s a really nice sounding mic!
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and on and on), and at this point, even their dealers don't seem to know what the designations stands for (see vintage kings description I posted earlier). I guess where the T and the S are positioned in the model name matters. LOL. Add a "T" in their current TransformerLESS models that are currently available.
