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Post by bossanova on Apr 13, 2022 9:29:16 GMT -6
I wonder how the developers feel about all the fun...... How can this be sustained? From what I've read it is a glitch/loophole that they briefly tried to fix, but they're running into problems where they would have to void or change the fine print of a promotion that has presumably been in the works for some time. This as much as anything seems like something that would not have gotten by with Dirk running the ship, as his promotions were usually timed and calculated so you still had to spend some money due to the minimum spend, short of the mega sales a couple times a year.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2022 9:36:23 GMT -6
am getting $249 for mc77 ? The purple promotion is over today, as it goes. But you can get two free PSP licenses with any email address, ilok, no transfer fees. Honestly though it feels kind of like looting Target or something. Or the Sub Synth and the Lion synthesizer today basically any combination of about $70 or so worth of stuff in the cart.
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Post by ragan on Apr 13, 2022 9:48:51 GMT -6
When you add a code make sure there's not 2 items now in your cart, make sure they're all set to one item. the main codes are "JOINSOUNDWIDE" and "SOUNDWIDE2022" further codes posted below for individual plugins you can only seem to really get one extra freebie or super-discount this way (I got the blackbox MS for 9 cents) Here's one of the "super carts" "1 PA Soundwide Welcome Bundle $599 1 ADPTR AUDIO SCULPT $299 Subtotal $898 SOUNDWIDE 2022 10% OFF (Code: SOUNDWIDE2022) -$89.80 Welcome SOUNDWIDE Bundle (Code: JOINSOUNDWIDE) -$599 SLO: ADPTR Audio Sculpt for $99.99 -$199.01 Total $10.19" Here's a few more magic carts, attached as images to this post View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentHere's some codes to use: Black Box HG-2MS for $69.99 (Code: bbhg2mskjdckjdnv) Lindell 902 De-Esser for $29.99 (Code: lindell902-ehdit6Mk) ADPTR AUDIO Streamliner for $99.99 (Code: STRLNR2KEHVCF2WSDAR6V9N2VF8P) Gig Performer 4 for $99.99 (Code: gp4-9999-dcerhuj7§ghjjkki) Unfiltered Audio Bass-Mint for $79.99 (Code: bass-mint-7999-asdjhkpeq2) Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor Class A for $99,99 (Code: SLO-Class-A-For-9999-shfuvcsjuf) Unfiltered Audio LO-FI-AF for $79.99 (Code: LO-FI-AF-7999-dewjbfrjZ9j) ADPTR Audio Sculpt for $99.99 (Code: sculpt-9999g7GtX35JpQ) TAILS for $79.99 (Code: tails-7999ljuIujegf7Dt) Thanks for the effort here! How did you get Warble to be $79.99 in the first image?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 10:10:03 GMT -6
I wonder how the developers feel about all the fun...... How can this be sustained? Private equity blow out sale because these companies have achieved their market saturation and the only way to “grow” is to sell it to someone who will ruthlessly cut costs and sell it themselves to make a return on their investment.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2022 10:23:40 GMT -6
Thanks for the effort here! How did you get Warble to be $79.99 in the first image? There was no trick to it, that's just what the price was yesterday/last night, maybe this morning? The deals are a little different today, you probably missed Warble, some of the codes have been redacted, prices have changed they took away the bundle deal briefly, then they reinstated it To quote the PA sales page "Cheat our System! ;-D" I know they mean it but not sure if they mean it mean it. Somewhere between the two is where it sits. I would keep an eye on the site from day to day if you're interested, who knows. I'm a heavily invested PA buyer, so "all I got" out of this was Black Box, AND Black Box MS for 9 cents myself...not bad, I wanted them anyway. It's really great for people who are new to this kind of thing. "Creatives" Dirk calls them. People you know, so many, that make music, record, but they're not super-nerds like the people on the forums, maybe they ask you questions about how things work, what's good to buy and so on.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2022 10:29:52 GMT -6
And if anyone didn't already know, you can get any plugin in the entire PA catalog for $31, it's the new standard price. Even the brand new ones.
It's some convoluted thing, you subscribe for $30, get a $1 "buy anything" voucher, and you can cancel the subscription. Or keep the sub and it renews every month.
So in other words it's Waves without the WUP now.
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Post by drbill on Apr 13, 2022 10:40:50 GMT -6
PA is not the developer. They are the aggregator / distributor / sales team. This type of gaming the system cannot possibly work for the actual developers.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2022 10:44:45 GMT -6
PA is not the developer. They are the aggregator / distributor / sales team. This type of gaming the system cannot possibly work for the actual developers. I believe that it can. But who knows, maybe they're storming the Bastille today.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2022 10:58:09 GMT -6
In other news, DrBill might be right, the mad dash might be over. It makes me laugh. Fun times.
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Post by drbill on Apr 13, 2022 11:00:26 GMT -6
Interesting times no doubt. I suspect there is a lot going on behind the scenes....
My experience in the production music world is that with subscription plans, the composers/producers always loose, the sales team/distributors usually win, and the "buyers" / licensors of the music get a short term win, but ultimately loose because composers/producers cannot make a viable business plan to continue on.
Thus degrading the actual music pool over time. This is absolutely in full swing in 2022, with tons of long time music providers abandoning this subscription based models of distributing their music. Moving on to other endeavors.
Big win for tech, big loose for creative individuals.
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Post by theshea on Apr 13, 2022 11:09:24 GMT -6
Interesting times no doubt. I suspect there is a lot going on behind the scenes.... My experience in the production music world is that with subscription plans, the composers/producers always loose, the sales team/distributors usually win, and the "buyers" / licensors of the music get a short term win, but ultimately loose because composers/producers cannot make a viable business plan to continue on. Thus degrading the actual music pool over time. This is absolutely in full swing in 2022, with tons of long time music providers abandoning this subscription based models of distributing their music. Moving on to other endeavors. Big win for tech, big loose for creative individuals. yep. i am trying to stay with my 10 or so most used plugins and get work done. no sub, no plugin collection for me. and if there will be no plugin update or mantainance, i will move on to another plugin. after all they are just tools and one equals the other. but if those 5 plugins are free i will take them and see how much usage i can get out of them.
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Post by bikescene on Apr 13, 2022 11:37:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the heads up. I grabbed the Plugin Alliance plugins. Didn’t have any of them before, and missed out on the Ampeg SVT when it was free about a year ago.
I must not have been paying attention to the plugin world for a bit. I didn’t know that iZotope and Native Instruments previously merged.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2022 11:55:03 GMT -6
Thanks for the heads up. I grabbed the Plugin Alliance plugins. Didn’t have any of them before, and missed out on the Ampeg SVT when it was free about a year ago. I must not have been paying attention to the plugin world for a bit. I didn’t know that iZotope and Native Instruments previously merged. SVT is great... I'm a big fan of that Shadow Hills compressor too. There's more to life than plugins. That statement almost makes me cringe, how obvious it is.
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Post by yewtreemagic on Apr 13, 2022 12:02:06 GMT -6
And if anyone didn't already know, you can get any plugin in the entire PA catalog for $31, it's the new standard price. Even the brand new ones. It's some convoluted thing, you subscribe for $30, get a $1 "buy anything" voucher, and you can cancel the subscription. Or keep the sub and it renews every month. So in other words it's Waves without the WUP now. I for one won't be sad to lose PA's endless Whack-A-Mole sales, where if you want a plug-in at a reasonable price you just have to wait a few months till it pops up in a sale at 10% of its 'normal' price. I currently have 39 plug-ins in my 'Plugin Alliance' folder, and got each and every one as a special offer, but apparently they are collectively 'worth' thousands Meanwhile, I have 21 plug-ins in my 'Fuse Audio' folder, and I paid the full or intro price for every one, and feel really happy to be supporting Reimund with every new release Martin
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 13, 2022 13:53:49 GMT -6
thx: just went for the basic free stuff, the rest seemed very complimicated.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 13, 2022 22:52:58 GMT -6
I sub PA's Mix and Master bundle, and have bought several of their products. This move really feels off. First, offering free plugins as a promotional welcome——it feels like the whole Neutron/Ozone Elements to hook you in the ecosystem. Okay, but make it something simple and effective that other customers haven't had to pay for in the past.
The Ampeg VRT Classic or bx_Masterdesk Classic. Great. Those have been easily obtainable if you pay attention. But the idea that people had pay good money for Shadow Hills or the Blackbox HG-2 or the Oberhausen in the past, and now anyone can get it free? Very shitty to the people who have invested hard-earned cash with you.
Native Instruments isn't familiar to me, but iZotope been making moves to push me away the more I get to know them. They did just update Ozone 9 to native M1. But their Rx 7, which is only a couple years old and not very different from the current version...it's getting zero support. And I'd buy an upgrade, but the changes aren't that significant of features, while the upgrade price is more expensive than a lot of plugins overall.
I'm guessing this is Dirk's golden parachute. Good for him I suppose. The tycoons at the other companies are licking their chops at how to milk the assets he's created.
And that board of performing artists telling them what direction to move plugins? Child, please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 1:19:22 GMT -6
I sub PA's Mix and Master bundle, and have bought several of their products. This move really feels off. First, offering free plugins as a promotional welcome——it feels like the whole Neutron/Ozone Elements to hook you in the ecosystem. Okay, but make it something simple and effective that other customers haven't had to pay for in the past. The Ampeg VRT Classic or bx_Masterdesk Classic. Great. Those have been easily obtainable if you pay attention. But the idea that people had pay good money for Shadow Hills or the Blackbox HG-2 or the Oberhausen in the past, and now anyone can get it free? Very shitty to the people who have invested hard-earned cash with you. Native Instruments isn't familiar to me, but iZotope been making moves to push me away the more I get to know them. They did just update Ozone 9 to native M1. But their Rx 7, which is only a couple years old and not very different from the current version...it's getting zero support. And I'd buy an upgrade, but the changes aren't that significant of features, while the upgrade price is more expensive than a lot of plugins overall. I'm guessing this is Dirk's golden parachute. Good for him I suppose. The tycoons at the other companies are licking their chops at how to milk the assets he's created. And that board of performing artists telling them what direction to move plugins? Child, please. Dirk lost a couple million dollars in real estate and gear from the German flooding last year. Maybe PA just go too big to handle. They never succeeded in replacing Waves or Slate like they’ve been trying to do. Waves struck back hard with the SSL 4000 EV2 and CLA mix hub and a lot of good utility plugins like Sibilance. And updates their plugs if you pay. PA has tried to get the Slate plastic metal crowd but it hasn’t worked that well because the Slate sub is basically made for those guys. And PA isn’t U-he, Goodhertz, Tokyo Dawn, or Sound Radix making radically useful plugs. What I use the most from them is Pro Audio DSP DSM and SPL De-reverber And the Apple Silicon updates for the non-Brainworx plugs aren’t even out yet. The Lindell api and Neve strips and the Neolds are on version 1.01. Honestly man, I don’t even see Plugin Alliance stuff used that much outside of the stuff they give away for free if you own any Focusrite gear or a lot of pro tools licenses or you can get for free from the sales with a voucher. Like I’ve been using the Neold v76u73 as a mastering compressor a lot. If my windows computers broke, I would just go to the Apple store and get some Mac Mini or MacBook Air if I had work that needed to be done. But Neold hasn’t been updated to support Apple Silicon so it would just get replaced by the slightly less clean MJUC mk1. And I would probably never use the Neold u73 again because I would be used to the MJUC again. Izotope has been trying to move people into the subscription for a while. If you didn’t already own it, the sub per year is cheaper. And I use it for spoken word and dudes pointing a mic at the band stuff all the time. I only use RX, Neoverb, and Excalibur through though. I have better stuff than Ozone.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 14, 2022 10:04:51 GMT -6
I use Plugin Alliance plugins all the time. Slate for me is a non-starter other than Fresh Air. Waves are up there with Plugin Alliance.
The giveaway is not an insult to you, it's a gift to someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 11:34:02 GMT -6
I use Plugin Alliance plugins all the time. Slate for me is a non-starter other than Fresh Air. Waves are up there with Plugin Alliance. The giveaway is not an insult to you, it's a gift to someone else. You don’t make plastic metal and modern rock. The Slate stuff is not your bread and butter. Like Slate is seriously meant for that whole style of production. Slate knows their market niche very well. PA has tried for that plastic market with certain plugs like the Lindell 50, Black Box, the Purple MC77 to get that bluey distressory distortion, the SSL bx_consoles to replace the waves SSL, the distorting limiter, etc. they haven’t really succeeded in dominating it because that type of production is covered by what’s already out there, there’s a ton of competition, and what’s out there is proven to work for that modern production style Unlike Slate though, PA also has a lot of utility plugs like the SPL plugs, Pro Audio DSP, the low cpu amp sims, the synths, the Neold stuff for more classic productions. They just don’t focus on any of it 100%. They’re not Sonnox, Overloud, or U-he who know their market niches. It’s not an insult. The most common PA plugs are the freely available stuff and they’re giving away a lot of their most unique plugs and one of the best digital reverbs. I hope this deal allows PA to get their act together for updates to the non-Brainworx plugs but now they’re under the same management as Izotope, Izotope stopped updates to their non key products, and Plugin Alliance has a crap ton of products made and maintained by contracted out programmers or third party companies created just to make plugs for their sales platform. And several of the more recent popular plugs were made by Lindell/LSR Audio, Neold, and ADPTR and these have not been updated.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 14, 2022 11:50:29 GMT -6
I kind of know what you mean, Dan. What's good about Slate is what's bad about it to me. I think KPOP / JROCK whatever you call it, that wall of sound "I can't hear the music, I can't hear anything" production aesthetic, would be catered by Slate also. Flatline/freeze all dynamics, scoop all tones, bury the effects so deep you can't even hear them, remove all human touch, and then just make it really loud with zero crest factor.
Those three PA plugins you mentioned, two of the three are also, on point, "not for me." But I love the Lindell 50 / API to me it sounds "Old school."
However I love the UAD Distressor / EL Arousor, which both are completely different sounds, by the way.
The Neold stuff is so different it's kind of crazy. SSL 9000 J is as good as everyone says it is.
I wonder if the long tail of this development is like the AIR / AKAI thing. Old code that goes from one brand to the next, then to some obscure web store to die at $9 per plug on Christmas.
But hey, we're still using Spitfish.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 14:18:36 GMT -6
I kind of know what you mean, Dan. What's good about Slate is what's bad about it to me. I think KPOP / JROCK whatever you call it, that wall of sound "I can't hear the music, I can't hear anything" production aesthetic, would be catered by Slate also. Flatline/freeze all dynamics, scoop all tones, bury the effects so deep you can't even hear them, remove all human touch, and then just make it really loud with zero crest factor. Those three PA plugins you mentioned, two of the three are also, on point, "not for me." But I love the Lindell 50 / API to me it sounds "Old school." However I love the UAD Distressor / EL Arousor, which both are completely different sounds, by the way. The Neold stuff is so different it's kind of crazy. SSL 9000 J is as good as everyone says it is. I wonder if the long tail of this development is like the AIR / AKAI thing. Old code that goes from one brand to the next, then to some obscure web store to die at $9 per plug on Christmas. But hey, we're still using Spitfish. Most stuff on Nuclear Blast and Century Media just sounds like Slate drums with some Ez drummer and then some other kits that attempt to copy the Stephen Slate Drums. Jrock/kpop just copied that aesthetic. It's pretty funny that that aesthetic took over most of metal and modern rock. It's kinda like how glam metal took over arena rock and then country copied those aesthetics VERBATIM. Then you just have totaly weirdness like a bunch of mainstream artists in the 90s using the same Alesis kick sample as Megadeth and Dissection. That was Slate before Slate but distressors hadn't been invented then so it's not as distorted.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 14, 2022 14:25:29 GMT -6
That is funny, LOL!!! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 15, 2022 5:21:12 GMT -6
Hey Guitar did I read somewhere that you picked up an extra copy of the PSP 2245? I meant to snag that last night, but I fell asleep putting my kids to bed. Doh! I'm happy to send you some dollars for it! No biggie though.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 15, 2022 7:45:16 GMT -6
Hey Guitar did I read somewhere that you picked up an extra copy of the PSP 2245? I meant to snag that last night, but I fell asleep putting my kids to bed. Doh! I'm happy to send you some dollars for it! No biggie though. Hey indiehouse! Yeah, I got two free licenses just for the hell of it, but I've already gifted them to the first two people who asked. Sounds like you had a good night, heh, I'm sure more deals will come around.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 15, 2022 7:59:07 GMT -6
For anyone interested in this kind of thing, AMEK EQ200 for ten bucks. It used to be "Four Hundred Dollars" I guess that's "clever marketing." Anyway it's some sort of emu of Massenburg and Sontec. I love this thing on mix bus, it blows up the bass, guts the mids and makes them cut through. I heard some people might like them on vocal and kick drum, I have never tried it there, who knows.
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