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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 20, 2022 10:04:30 GMT -6
Greetings.
After posting a reply in a related thread about getting the right studio vibe, either by build or interior design/decoration, I decided to start a thread about that very topic.
What is your studio vibe? Pics welcomed. What do you like about it? When working in other studios, what do you look for re: vibe?
If you could change anything about your studio vibe, what would it be and why?
Regards, -09
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 20, 2022 10:14:19 GMT -6
Great topic. This maybe skirts around the question but I love when there's cool, vibey lighting...and can't believe it when there isn't. RGB LED bulbs are so cheap that I don't understand why every studio doesn't have at least a few LED cans or strip lights setup to create (and easily change) the vibe of the room.
Also, I can't believe it when otherwise great studios just haven't kept up with basic building maintainance. Maybe its a Portland thing, but there are lots of studios around here that just need a fresh coat of paint, that need the 20 year old ratty carpet pulled up in the lobby, and then just need a good dusting/cleaning. And please, clean out the damn refrigerator. Its its own special type of buzz kill when you're taking a lunch break and realize there are no paper towels, or the refrigerator is filled with the same food that in there from the last time you rented the room (a month ago)...
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Post by svart on Feb 21, 2022 16:02:16 GMT -6
I'm really feng shui about my surroundings now. I've definitely changed tastes over the years in all aspects of my life. I'm not a crazy interior designer or even know much about it, but I feel like I'm sensitive to spaces and how they make me feel.
Here's some of the things that peeve me:
Fluorescent or colored lights. Dark floors make me feel like I'm sinking. Dark walls make me feel closed in, almost claustrophobic. Clutter - It has to feel open even if it's a small space. Oak. Too much vibrant color - bright and vibrant colors are great for accents on neutral background (ok maybe I do sound like a crazy interior designer). A whole room painted violet or red is just nuts..
So anyway, as I've changed I've certainly changed the studio vibe. It was darker at first with fewer lights and darker paint on the walls. I've since added brighter and more lights that pool better and have painted the walls a nice bright white and have added accents such as reclaimed cedar planks. I've also re-covered all my absorption panels with lighter fabrics but with significant textures on them. Most of the shelves or racks I've built are now white or natural poplar/birch/maple color.
I've noticed that a few clients have mentioned that my space feels large even though it's not. I take that as a compliment.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 21, 2022 16:09:28 GMT -6
like a band practice space, maybe minus the washer and dryer or metal walls.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 21, 2022 17:47:03 GMT -6
Even for the home "studio" room I feel vibe and aesthetics are one of the most important things. You've got to be inspired to make something happen. I spent a ton of work building my room to get out of the rectangle and make it look cool as well as do what it needed to do sonically. For commercial spaces, even more important for inspiration and to compete for clients. I really like that dude who did some of the Motorhead records (sorry, can't recall name offhand) but I remember Huart's studio tour showed the live rooms with particleboard walls and such. That would drive me crazy on a daily basis, much more trying to make a record there.
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Post by professorplum on Feb 21, 2022 20:20:40 GMT -6
always crazy to think about the Beatles writing some of the greatest and most imaginative music in history in such a sterile and bare white walled studio
I would hate the basement studio they were in for the Get Back documentary but they seemed to think it was almost fancy. So cramped and must've sounded terrible in the room, but the final tracks sound pretty great
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 21, 2022 20:30:49 GMT -6
always crazy to think about the Beatles writing some of the greatest and most imaginative music in history in such a sterile and bare white walled studio I would hate the basement studio they were in for the Get Back documentary but they seemed to think it was almost fancy. So cramped and must've sounded terrible in the room, but the final tracks sound pretty great Good point. That was also the norm back then. Recording in a doctor's office.
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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 22, 2022 10:17:20 GMT -6
always crazy to think about the Beatles writing some of the greatest and most imaginative music in history in such a sterile and bare white walled studio I would hate the basement studio they were in for the Get Back documentary but they seemed to think it was almost fancy. So cramped and must've sounded terrible in the room, but the final tracks sound pretty great Agreed. I was very surprised to see the near-cramped size of the Apple studio in "Get Back." It worked for them and they liked it, so that's good. -09
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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 22, 2022 12:57:53 GMT -6
Since I initiated this thread, I guess I'll add my experience and preferences to it.
Other studios: I've had the (mis)fortune to work in many old and established studios with interior decor from the '60s/'70s. It's totally icky pants. When I walk into a studio, I want to feel like I want to be in there. The old look has an opposing effect on me. Not just because it's old, but because part of the look is crumbling decay. I don't refer to the gear; it's always good and in perfect working order. I refer to the look/feel of the live room. It comes across as dirty and borderline derelict. Maybe there are those who would consider this retro and hip; however, I am not one of those.
My studios: I've built three. The first one was great sounding and a very comfortable and welcoming place. At that time (about 20 years ago), I installed black carpet. Also the far wall was 11 feet tall and was covered in dark stone. Looked great; sounded great as it provided some nice diffusion. The entire space had an 11 ft. ceiling, but only two small windows. When I was building it, I wanted a dark space and I got it. Between the lack of natural light, black carpet, and the largest wall being covered in dark stone, it was indeed a dark space. I had over 2200 watts of lighting in there and when all lights were on it still felt dark. It also had various studio artifacts on the walls; prayer rugs, old reels of tape, items of interest, a few Lava lamps, etc. Very vibey place and everyone that worked there commented on how much they liked it. I did, too.
Cut to three years ago when I sold it and moved to a new place. It's a two-room space; both are pseudo one-room studios, but are connected. I wanted something entirely different in look and feel. I was done with working in such a dark space, so I had the walls, trim, and ceilings all painted a very pure white. Flooring (I did not select it or install it; was there when I moved in and in lovely condition) is honey oak (sorry, svart!) which is almost entirely covered in both studios with heavy Oriental rugs. One wall is almost all windows pointing out at a tree-covered hill. I have massive floor-to-ceiling white curtains covering that wall, so I can close the curtains but still get some natural light while changing the acoustic response. I had the old lighting removed and updated to all recessed LED fixtures on dimmers. I have a dozen or so "hidden" (behind the white curtain) up-lights in the floor that are loaded with darker Edison bulbs on a separate circuit, so I can turn those on and kill the overheads and I get a very lovely candle-colored glow from behind the white curtains. I love that. High oooh/ahhh factor. One other wall has floor-to-ceiling black curtains. It's a very bright space. Nothing on the walls; nor will there be. I've come to view wall hangings in live rooms as something like visual static or visible noise. Just give me a pure space with no distractions for a live room. The Oriental rugs are very detailed and with very rich colors (mostly reds), so they become the artwork in there. With the dimmers, can I make it super bright or something bordering on twilight. Or use the uplights behind the curtain to give it a candlelight coloring.
With all those white surfaces, it may seems as if it looks rather sterile. Not at all; the two big curtain walls and the rugs add some visual interest without becoming distracting or getting the "visual static/noise" effect.
Big lesson: you can make a light space darker, but you can't really make a dark space lighter.
In conclusion: I guess my current vibe of preference is almost no vibe; just purity. Or maybe purity is a vibe? I may need a judge's ruling on this.
-09
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Post by Tbone81 on Feb 22, 2022 13:19:35 GMT -6
One thing I really appreciated is when a studio has windows. I don't care about the acoustic compromise...I hate feeling like I'm working in a cave and I think its terrible unhealthy to be disconnected from the natural light/dark cycle of the day. It totally screws with your circadian rhythm.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 22, 2022 15:33:40 GMT -6
There are definitely clients who want a sterile bright environment, and there are definitely those who feel more comfortable in a cave. My place has been a studio almost 40 years, and I rented it the first 21 years I was there, buying it more recently. It's clean, but run down. I don't know where anyone else's money comes from, I struggle to keep the thing running on a shoe string and manage basic building maintenance costs (HVAC replacement, roof replacement, etc). I've made a lot of records with people who like the "comfortable relaxed" feel. I've seen a lot of upturned noses who wish there was some sense of glamour, outside of vibey gear and solid efficient results. YMMV! I see people building new studios around me that, of course, look new, but are almost always less space than I have....I can't imagine having LESS space! I can't imagine spending more money than I have already. My last tracking session was 5 live players and 28 inputs. If there was money to afford the materials and labor, and cover a shutdown period and building inspection delays, I'd update it. So.....sorry? : ) I guess that's why people build new places, so they can lateral from one to the other with minimal interruption; not in the cards. Doing things by the book in a commercial space subject to inspections is a whole other world of cost and bureaucracy, makes one consider whether it's worth doing certain things, or putting up with what's there. I'm happy to have a place to work. A lot of people don't. Bummer...... I think Fidelitorium looks great. Good blend of light and dark. You can find a window if you want. You can avoid them if you want. They don't do much for you at night, when bands are most used to making music. It's hard to get anyone to agree to a booking as far out as is needed to get in there, so I don't see it much. www.fidelitorium.com/studioGlad we've mostly left the era where you walk into a room that's wall to wall egg-crate foam or hanging carpet, or 100% burlap covered soft rock wool walls.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 22, 2022 17:57:31 GMT -6
There’s something that feels really legit about places like Hyde Street or Cello in LA before it became EastWest: kinda threadbare but classic. My current favorite for vibe is www.panoramic-house.com/. The view of Stinson Beach is great. The building is a strange alchemy of west Marin beach vibes meets medieval castle. And the high ceilings and natural light make it a very inviting place to work. Also the echo chamber is an old escape tunnel. Mystique for days. You would not take an ad agency there, and that’s a good thing.
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Post by sean on Feb 23, 2022 7:31:17 GMT -6
After a decade in a room with no windows and in a mostly industrial part of town, I've really enjoyed working in a well lit room with lots of wood and being in the country. Stepping outside to trees and horses and the sound of a nature sure beats cranes and dump trucks
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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 23, 2022 8:02:52 GMT -6
There are definitely clients who want a sterile bright environment, and there are definitely those who feel more comfortable in a cave. My place has been a studio almost 40 years, and I rented it the first 21 years I was there, buying it more recently. It's clean, but run down. I don't know where anyone else's money comes from, I struggle to keep the thing running on a shoe string and manage basic building maintenance costs (HVAC replacement, roof replacement, etc). I've made a lot of records with people who like the "comfortable relaxed" feel. I've seen a lot of upturned noses who wish there was some sense of glamour, outside of vibey gear and solid efficient results. YMMV! I see people building new studios around me that, of course, look new, but are almost always less space than I have....I can't imagine having LESS space! I can't imagine spending more money than I have already. My last tracking session was 5 live players and 28 inputs. If there was money to afford the materials and labor, and cover a shutdown period and building inspection delays, I'd update it. So.....sorry? : ) I guess that's why people build new places, so they can lateral from one to the other with minimal interruption; not in the cards. Doing things by the book in a commercial space subject to inspections is a whole other world of cost and bureaucracy, makes one consider whether it's worth doing certain things, or putting up with what's there. I'm happy to have a place to work. A lot of people don't. Bummer...... I think Fidelitorium looks great. Good blend of light and dark. You can find a window if you want. You can avoid them if you want. They don't do much for you at night, when bands are most used to making music. It's hard to get anyone to agree to a booking as far out as is needed to get in there, so I don't see it much. www.fidelitorium.com/studioGlad we've mostly left the era where you walk into a room that's wall to wall egg-crate foam or hanging carpet, or 100% burlap covered soft rock wool walls. I think your space looks great, EmRR! Thanks for sharing the link. -09
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Post by EmRR on Feb 23, 2022 8:03:57 GMT -6
Well….that ain’t my space…..
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Post by svart on Feb 23, 2022 8:19:02 GMT -6
There are definitely clients who want a sterile bright environment, and there are definitely those who feel more comfortable in a cave. My place has been a studio almost 40 years, and I rented it the first 21 years I was there, buying it more recently. It's clean, but run down. I don't know where anyone else's money comes from, I struggle to keep the thing running on a shoe string and manage basic building maintenance costs (HVAC replacement, roof replacement, etc). I've made a lot of records with people who like the "comfortable relaxed" feel. I've seen a lot of upturned noses who wish there was some sense of glamour, outside of vibey gear and solid efficient results. YMMV! I see people building new studios around me that, of course, look new, but are almost always less space than I have....I can't imagine having LESS space! I can't imagine spending more money than I have already. My last tracking session was 5 live players and 28 inputs. If there was money to afford the materials and labor, and cover a shutdown period and building inspection delays, I'd update it. So.....sorry? : ) I guess that's why people build new places, so they can lateral from one to the other with minimal interruption; not in the cards. Doing things by the book in a commercial space subject to inspections is a whole other world of cost and bureaucracy, makes one consider whether it's worth doing certain things, or putting up with what's there. I'm happy to have a place to work. A lot of people don't. Bummer...... I think Fidelitorium looks great. Good blend of light and dark. You can find a window if you want. You can avoid them if you want. They don't do much for you at night, when bands are most used to making music. It's hard to get anyone to agree to a booking as far out as is needed to get in there, so I don't see it much. www.fidelitorium.com/studioGlad we've mostly left the era where you walk into a room that's wall to wall egg-crate foam or hanging carpet, or 100% burlap covered soft rock wool walls. That place is crazy! I love the mid-century look, but some of the aesthetic does clash a bit. Too much wood in the control room methinks.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 23, 2022 14:07:01 GMT -6
My "big thing" is ergonomics. Everything has to fully work, and everything has to have a usable space/setup. Yeah, I have clutter. That's just my nature, spare parts, projects and etc laying about. I keep that somewhat managed but it always creeps.
I have some specific decor in a few small select places. Antlers, a pink floyd record, a "gold beer" winning can, a painting I did in high school, etc, but these are small and unobtrusive.
The feel in here is kind of brown/wood. The walls are wood panels, and the floor. Most of the speakers have matching wood look. Burlap absorption is earth tone. 100% of the lighting is LED. Strip around the top perimeter, and all of the lamps. I find that light levels are critical. Too much light introduces anxiety. Too much darkness just you have trouble to see. So I have it dialed in pretty perfectly, and can add/subtract as needed. I can stay in here (too long) sometimes. Not lately, but if I need to, or want to.
When people walk in here they say things like "Wow!" or "It looks like a real studio!" or maybe "I love your decoration style." Presumably the stack of racks and all the speakers, instruments, whatever, give a serious vibe.
So I've put thought into it, yes. But not obsession. Just a proper amount of thought and effort. The most effort went into the room layout, putting different stations in different zones, ergonomics once again. And the lighting.
It's just for me anyway, but people like to see it. Once in a while I'll have someone in to work here, but it's been years, really.
The big focus lately has been getting out of this room, going to where the musicians are, and being one of them.
But it's a nice place to come home to, and get some work done.
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Post by drbill on Feb 25, 2022 22:02:23 GMT -6
This is my vibe : realgearonline.com/thread/5367/drbills-new-control-room-mindseyeI like it a lot.... GEAR! Lots of it. (drbill.mojo on in Instagram for more gear related shots) INSTRUMENTS! NATURAL LIGHT!!!! CONTROLLED and FOCUSED EVENING LIGHTING! A MACHINE ROOM! WIRE CONTROL AND MANAGEMENT. Those things are important to me. It helps define the vibe. It's a work in progress. As mentioned at the end of the thread, there are a lot more racks now. At least 4 more racks along with more density in the existing racks. More wire all around, but it's CONTROLLED, and a sense of lived in comfortableness now.....
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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 26, 2022 8:39:17 GMT -6
drbill,
That looks great! Bright, clean design without being sterile. The dark flooring provides nice warmth to the lighter walls/ceiling. Congratulations!
-09
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2022 10:03:33 GMT -6
drbill, That looks great! Bright, clean design without being sterile. The dark flooring provides nice warmth to the lighter walls/ceiling. Congratulations! -09 Thanks! It's been working for me now for 5 years or so. Still loving it. The gear has grown exponentially, but the biggest change was switching over to JBL 708P's. That really took it up a notch. It's still fun to turn around and see a Javalina or Deer or Coyote wandering just outside my window.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2022 13:36:16 GMT -6
There are definitely clients who want a sterile bright environment, and there are definitely those who feel more comfortable in a cave. My place has been a studio almost 40 years, and I rented it the first 21 years I was there, buying it more recently. It's clean, but run down. I don't know where anyone else's money comes from, I struggle to keep the thing running on a shoe string and manage basic building maintenance costs (HVAC replacement, roof replacement, etc). I've made a lot of records with people who like the "comfortable relaxed" feel. I've seen a lot of upturned noses who wish there was some sense of glamour, outside of vibey gear and solid efficient results. YMMV! I see people building new studios around me that, of course, look new, but are almost always less space than I have....I can't imagine having LESS space! I can't imagine spending more money than I have already. My last tracking session was 5 live players and 28 inputs. If there was money to afford the materials and labor, and cover a shutdown period and building inspection delays, I'd update it. So.....sorry? : ) I guess that's why people build new places, so they can lateral from one to the other with minimal interruption; not in the cards. Doing things by the book in a commercial space subject to inspections is a whole other world of cost and bureaucracy, makes one consider whether it's worth doing certain things, or putting up with what's there. I'm happy to have a place to work. A lot of people don't. Bummer...... I think Fidelitorium looks great. Good blend of light and dark. You can find a window if you want. You can avoid them if you want. They don't do much for you at night, when bands are most used to making music. It's hard to get anyone to agree to a booking as far out as is needed to get in there, so I don't see it much. www.fidelitorium.com/studioGlad we've mostly left the era where you walk into a room that's wall to wall egg-crate foam or hanging carpet, or 100% burlap covered soft rock wool walls. For tracking, it should look like somewhere the artist should play ime. Lots of newer studios look like frickin interior decorating magazine photo shoots. What punk or metal band is gonna play those? The ones who don't record anything but vocals and dis
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Post by jmoose on Feb 26, 2022 16:28:13 GMT -6
Two of the main things I look for when booking a space... not talking personal/at home but "studio for hire" where we're gonna spend a lot of time?
I can forgive and adjust to a lotta different things but two big non-starters? Gotta have a tech bench. And gotta have a nice lounge. The more I do this the more that stuff matters vs whatever's in the racks or mic locker.
Tech bench? There should be a clear well lit surface available at all times. Eventually somethings gonna break and grind the session to a dead stop. Screws back out of the drummers double kick pedal & we gotta spend 30 minutes putting it back together... bass player with a dead output jack... mic shockmount that fell apart.
Even simple shit like changing guitar strings. If you can't produce a clean workbench and pair of cutters? Probably zero chance of producing an actual record.
Lounge is clutch. There HAS to be a space for people to spend time other then the control room. Time is an illusion. Studio time doubly so. Nobody wants to spend 8-10 hours a day locked in the control room including myself. But for artists? I understand some want to be part of the process & not miss anything but someone who follows the engineer around like a lost puppy..?
I kick people out all the time. You don't need to be here while we cut these edits together... come back in 20 minutes.
Usually can tell a lot about the overall vibe & condition of a place just from the lounge. Doesn't have to be super fancy but some basic living items go a long way... couple places to sit... table for food... some sort of entertainment? Video games, wall of movies & reading material can be just as important as fancy pants outboard gear.
To put it one way... if I take a studio tour walk into the lounge and see 3 couches with no place to sit? Because they're all covered with crap like snare drums & disassembled guitars? There's a dusty TV and playstation that's not even connected? Dude... I don't even want to see the control room just get me outta there.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 26, 2022 22:03:14 GMT -6
I’m SO CLOSE to having a lounge room after never having one. This place has had zero place for spare people or escape. I had more of that when i was an illegitimate residential business years ago, which also entails people possibly rifling through your personals.
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Post by svart on Feb 28, 2022 9:03:16 GMT -6
Tech bench? There should be a clear well lit surface available at all times. If you can't produce a clean workbench and pair of cutters.. LOL! As someone who has worked in the design and repair world for almost 25 years now, I can tell you without a doubt that the best technicians have dirty-ass benches. The best engineers have cluttered desks too.
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 28, 2022 14:36:39 GMT -6
Tech bench? There should be a clear well lit surface available at all times. If you can't produce a clean workbench and pair of cutters.. LOL! As someone who has worked in the design and repair world for almost 25 years now, I can tell you without a doubt that the best technicians have dirty-ass benches. The best engineers have cluttered desks too. Man do I ever struggle with “clutter”. I would use my desk in my classroom or office to teach students about how sedimentary rock forms. 😂
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