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Post by ragan on Jul 30, 2018 19:14:42 GMT -6
I stuck with B5 and didn't try this one. You still dig B5? I’ve used the real thing a lot and man, once you’ve done that it’s hard to live with VI’s. But I still want to try something. I’ve actually got a Hammond M111 sitting next to me. Love it. But I don’t have room for a Leslie and it doesn’t have the modded Leslie connection anyway. I friend offered me his 50s B3 and Leslie last year but I jjstflatput hd nowhere to put it. For the moment I just need something quick and efficient ITB that can give me decent sonics.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2018 19:20:57 GMT -6
I think someone that really knew what they were doing coup make B5 sound indistinguishable from the real thing. Alas, I do not know what I’m doing...but it definitely suffices for me. For where it sits in a mix.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2018 19:29:07 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 31, 2018 8:53:23 GMT -6
30% off Acoustic samples products I see.
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Post by mcirish on Jul 31, 2018 9:02:45 GMT -6
www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=44There is a new version of VB3 out now. I have not tried it yet as I always end up using the real thing, but I was quite impressed with version 1.4 of VB3. I may have to part with more money...
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Post by ragan on Jul 31, 2018 9:10:23 GMT -6
www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=44There is a new version of VB3 out now. I have not tried it yet as I always end up using the real thing, but I was quite impressed with version 1.4 of VB3. I may have to part with more money... Still no PT right?
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Post by ragan on Jul 31, 2018 9:13:00 GMT -6
The one I really like the sound of in the demos is the Hammr+. But I’d have to buy a full Kontakt license to run it. I’m also in the market for strings so maybe a Kontakt license could be useful more broadly but I haven’t liked any of the strings I’ve heard.
B3 wise, the next thing I’m gonna try is running my M111 through Melda’s Leslie emulation.
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Post by aremos on Jul 31, 2018 11:18:09 GMT -6
www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=44There is a new version of VB3 out now. I have not tried it yet as I always end up using the real thing, but I was quite impressed with version 1.4 of VB3. I may have to part with more money... Still no PT right? Spoke with the developer years ago & asked him about PT. His attitude & answer were extremely negative about PT.
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Post by ragan on Jul 31, 2018 21:23:53 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Jul 31, 2018 22:09:51 GMT -6
Sounds good. Yeah those Hammr+ videos sold me. I'm going to buy it. I'll still probably run out thru my 122 but the Melda sounds good. I've been a gnats hair away from buying a REAL hammond to go along with my 122, but the leslie gets me most of the way there. Maybe the Hammr will take me most of the rest of the way. Fingers crossed... (I always seem to get fooled by demos. Playing it for real is the true test)
PS - for what I do, Kontakt is a workhorse. Well worth the $$.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 31, 2018 22:14:19 GMT -6
i can move the drawbars on the iPad Logic X app 8)..... I would love a real B3 and a real Wurly 8) cheers Wiz Yeah, on an iPad, but not when you work in Logic on a MacPro, unfortunately. Still, moving virtual bars on a screen is not like moving the real thing. And you can't rock an iPad like a bulky Hammond, lol. Ever tried to climb on top of your iPad while soloing? I also would love a real B3 and a Wurli, you and me both, bro... The screen cracked.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 1, 2018 1:34:58 GMT -6
Got the real thing at my studio. I think most emulations exaggerate the quirks of the Hammond (noise, keyclick, etc). A real Hammond and Leslie sits in a track with no effort at all and without calling undue attention to itself.
In fact, to my ears a real Hammond only knocks your socks off when it’s playing against other instruments. It’s a bit like the kind of guitar tone that sounds great in the mix or live, but not impressive by itself.
That said, I like Nord keyboards and they really are second best to my ears.
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Post by ragan on Aug 1, 2018 11:24:59 GMT -6
Sounds good. Yeah those Hammr+ videos sold me. I'm going to buy it. I'll still probably run out thru my 122 but the Melda sounds good. I've been a gnats hair away from buying a REAL hammond to go along with my 122, but the leslie gets me most of the way there. Maybe the Hammr will take me most of the rest of the way. Fingers crossed... (I always seem to get fooled by demos. Playing it for real is the true test) PS - for what I do, Kontakt is a workhorse. Well worth the $$. Yeah I like what I'm hearing from that Hammr+. More than anything else I've heard. Just not sure how pumped I am to shell out for Kontakt. Hmmm... As for the little experiment I posted, yeah sounds pretty nice. I can pretty easily rig up a direct out from my Hammond. That might sound even better running through the Melda, rather than the mic'd signal.
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Post by drbill on Aug 1, 2018 12:16:17 GMT -6
It might. In my opinion, a hammond without a leslie is like a car without tires. A boat without water. A driving trip with nowhere to go. A dinner with no entree. A relationship with no....um.... Need I go on??? Get yourself a Leslie! I bought a little 120 to go along with the 122. It doesn't have a top rotor, only bottom speaker - bought it for guitars as it needs an amp driving it. (No internal amp) And you know what? I blew up my 122 a couple months ago and had to use the little 120 fed by a guitar amp and I LOVED IT, More grind than my 122. Pretty sweet. I think I picked it up for $250 or so. Worth every penny.
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Post by drbill on Aug 1, 2018 12:17:40 GMT -6
PS - I have no idea what you do or how you work, but without Kontakt I'd be slammed 20 years back into the dark ages. Use it KONSTANTLY!!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 1, 2018 13:24:30 GMT -6
Wow. Just tried the demo of that Melda Vintage Rotary on B5. OMG, just took it to another level.
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Post by ragan on Aug 1, 2018 13:46:16 GMT -6
Wow. Just tried the demo of that Melda Vintage Rotary on B5. OMG, just took it to another level. Yeah in the B5 demos I've watched here, the organ itself sounds really good. I just didn't care for their Leslie emulation. Sounds cloudy to me in the demos. Did you check out that little clip I posted last night of my Hammond (mic'd) through the Melda? Kinda cool. I may mod a direct out in and try that too. I really like the sound of that dang Hammr+ thing though too...
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Post by ragan on Aug 1, 2018 13:48:39 GMT -6
Although for a lot less than Kontakt and Hammr, I could get the B5 and the Melda. That's a tempting combo too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 1, 2018 14:07:24 GMT -6
Well this is weird...Mixing down a tune and I actually preferred the B5 leslie in the mix over the Melda. Sigh. Fiddling with the EQ would have probably made it more even, but I'm tweaked out.
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Post by drbill on Aug 1, 2018 16:41:16 GMT -6
I just listened to the B5 and Hammr+ demos again. It confirmed my initial gut feelings. The B5 feels more like a "soft synth" computer sampler, and the Hammr+ sounds more like a recorded hammond. That's my take on it. I'm sure they are both great instruments. I like aspects of both, but I'll buy the Hammr+ first and probably the B5 later. Depending on how I feel about the leslie effect, I'll probably get the Melda for when I'm too busy or rushed to pull out the 122 cab....
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Post by ragan on Aug 1, 2018 16:46:31 GMT -6
I just listened again and had the same thoughts.
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Post by drbill on Aug 1, 2018 17:15:50 GMT -6
Yeah, its hard to tell off of online demo's, but the Hammr+ is a good demo with good sounds. The B5 sounds like a very tricked out VSTi to me. Sigh....In my never ending quest I will inevitably buy both.
And be excited for 2 weeks.
And then digress into wanting a real B...or an A100 again.... I've been after the sound for almost 40 years, and the truth is, there can be only one.....
Problem is maintenance and a place to put it. It's going to have to go into the annex off of living room that I call the "music room". Which is really just code for "live room for the recording studio". LOL. I'm pretty sure my wife would spot it if I brought one home..... And then.....<sigh>
The tone of a single not is not too hard to pull off well. It's the slides and glisses that always give it away for me....and that's a lot of my personal playing style on a hammond.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 1, 2018 17:25:08 GMT -6
So interesting...watching the Mikey Rowe walkthrough and I thought exactly the opposite. But I’d love to hear the Hammr with the Melda in my own daw with the B5
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Post by ragan on Aug 1, 2018 17:44:58 GMT -6
Subjective to be sure. And they're both about as good as Hammond VI's get right now I think.
I dialed up some YouTube vids of both and paused them at similar sounds and then went back and forth and for my ear the Hammr+ sounded more dimensional and spacious. That's a pretty unscientific way of getting at that comparison though of course. And when the Hammr+ was switched back to the stock, NI Leslie (instead of the Melda), it sounded a lot closer to the B5 and size and space.
Someone on GS commented that they had both and when you run either of them into the Melda, they sound quite similar.
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Post by drbill on Aug 1, 2018 17:54:42 GMT -6
So interesting...watching the Mikey Rowe walkthrough and I thought exactly the opposite. But I’d love to hear the Hammr with the Melda in my own daw with the B5 Cool. I guess it's all in what you're looking for. <thumbsup> To me the Hammr+ has a more "unfinished" or "rough" or whoknowshowtodescribeit sound to it that I like. The B5 is too polite and perfect sounding for my taste.
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