And in the other hand!

How do you like them?

I do. I had a pair before.

I have had amphion too and became a fan of passive radiators for cleaner tighter bass.

The focal onboard dsp is useful for fighting my smaller room lower mid bass issues: you have a low frequency filter normally for setting subs but you can experiment with just losing lowest signal ,like below 40, a lpf and hpf and a filter which attenuates at 180.

The 65 aren’t huge but have some weight/ presence to their sound which I also appreciate. For me the shape 65 are kinda I between the amphion 15 and 18, not as mid range forward as the 15, but fast and accurate, not as voluptuous as the 18 or having that big sound envelop, but having a weight and presence that is clearer, say really hearing the texture of the kick,more revealing less beautiful.

I think the shape are good mixing tools.

Of all the monitors we have discussed recently, I have never demoed here the atc and am still interested in the 12, just curious, if it would be king in my little room with its particular small room problems.

My used Shape 65 were $1200 cdn, they retail for $2500 and the atc 12 would be easily $3 grand, so the used Shape were a good deal.

If you like Focal, might as well stay in the line!

Have you considered the evo 65, a lot of redesign work has been done. The YT demos I have watched sound impressive but not quite as tight fast as the Shape.

i guess the stepu from my alphas to the new evo is to small. if i change i wanna hear a good amount of „betterness“.

Having fun dialing in these focal shape

Been running REW, checking speaker placement measurements and my listening position

As these were used no break in needed

I have returned the low pass cutoff to full range and of course the true lower bass really fils out the bottom.

I have dropped the 180 filter full but think I will bring it back up 1 db at a time, as the mids sound a little thin.

have raised tweeter 2 db, maybe a holdover of liking my Sony 7506 which have a hyped high end, , the shape tweeter is not harsh actually present but smooth

So far so good

I repositioned some of my absorbers , putting my 3 tall bookshelf absorbers across my back wall, that makes it about 18 inches deep, as I have a 4 inch panel there already.

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Did you give up on the Kali In monitors?

I just got the new Kali 5" 3 way. Still breaking them in. There a pinch light on the low end, but have exceptional imaging and are much quieter than any of the monitors I've used.

That quietness is really nice, you can hear better and it's more relaxing. The 8" are probably killer. I wanted a small footprint, so if I think of them like they're a modern NS-10, they're great!

I think they need a good 3 days to open up. I thought the bass was there too but it is a 5 inch driver so won’t push as much air as a larger driver.

Pretty certain they are manufactured in China not certain how small batches are. I would think they would do biggest run possible to keep unit price down?

I honestly thought them good monitors: just got the job done and got out of the way.

The original alphas were awful and the CMS/Shapes/Arias are warm but good and usable. The OG alphas didn't use focal woofers iirc. I just wish they would have a tweeter inbetween the alu/mag alloy and the beryllium. And do the Solo 2 in a better cabinet. they should bring back the Kevlar tweets from the car line imo

I still think you should try the shape, the combo of the passive resister and the dsp gives you a lot of control over their tone. The new evo does have a focal woofer. I think there is a direct comparison video on you tube alpha to evo.

Or stretch your budget a bit and demo the dynaudio lyd48, it’s a very good 3 way.