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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 17:00:40 GMT -6
My new setup doesn't require much in the way of plugs, the only one's I might get any use out of are the SVT / LA-2A and Cooper time cube but even that's a maybe because I've bought / have some vari-mu's / Lexicon outboard, track with a HW 2A and all of my synths / drums etc. are outboard as well. Luna seems pretty cool but I'd only use it like an ADAT recorder at this point..
So, I'm thinking about selling my Apollo X6 w/ all the plugs I have and forgoing the purchase of an Octo sat to replace it. It's an expensive venture when I'm probably going to only use a very minimal amount of plugs.. In terms of price does $2K seem fair for the Apollo X6 + the plugs listed below?
1176LN Plug-In for UAD-2
1176SE Plug-In for UAD-2
Ampeg SVT-VR Plug-In for UAD-2
Ampeg SVTVR Classic Plug-In for UAD-2
Ampex ATR-102 Plug-In for UAD-2
bx_tuner Plug-In for UAD-2
Capitol Chambers Reverb Plug-In for UAD-2
Chandler Limited Curve Bender Plug-In for UAD-2
Cooper Time Cube MkII Plug-In for UAD-2
EP-34 Tape Echo Plug-In for UAD-2
LA2A Plug-In for UAD-2
Manley Variable Mu Plug-In for UAD-2
Marshall Plexi Classic Plug-In For UAD-2
Ocean Way Studios Plug-In for UAD-2
Oxford Limiter Plug-In for UAD-2
Oxford SuprEsser DS Plug-In for UAD-2
Precision Enhancer Hz Plug-In for UAD-2
Precision Limiter Plug-In for UAD-2
Precision Mix Rack Collection Plug-In for UAD-2
Pultec-Pro Plug-In for UAD-2
Pultec EQ Collection Plug-In for UAD-2
Pultec Plug-In for UAD-2
Raw Plug-In for UAD-2
RealVerb-Pro Plug-In for UAD-2
Teletronix LA-2A Leveler Collection Plug-In for UAD-2
UA 610-B Tube Preamp and EQ Plug-In for UAD-2
UA 1176 Limiter Collection Plug-In for UAD-2
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 20, 2021 17:08:48 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2021 17:31:03 GMT -6
You could ask more but some may want the plugs some won’t.
You can sell it without your purchased plug ins snd leave them in your account and then sell the account, but that gets a little awkward.
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Post by phantom on Dec 20, 2021 17:45:32 GMT -6
A Satellite Octo and a dozen plugins is everything I need from UAD.
These are really especial to me. The audio interface, unison, console, I don't miss at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 17:45:52 GMT -6
Yeah, it's that awkward moment when you think I shoulda kept that.. Chucked the box away for the Apollo (because it was just taking up space), a month later I decide to sell it. Then again if I kept everything I never used I wouldn't be able to move freely around the house.. The Oxford de-esser and oceanway plugs would come in handy on occasion as well, still if I only need like 5 - 7 plugs max then surely native would cover it? For the cost of that $1k Octo I could buy a metric ton of them. Then again I wouldn't mind using Luna and I've not exactly gelled with Logic but as it's all going to a desk / outboard / mastering chain the DAW in question doesn't matter all that much. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2021 17:56:11 GMT -6
You certainly have options other than UA, but it is a nice package and recording environment and Luna will just improve.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 18:08:53 GMT -6
You certainly have options other than UA, but it is a nice package and recording environment and Luna will just improve. Yeah, I guess you're right.. Just trying to save a bit of dosh because the move to HW has been eye watering despite my local vendor offering me some very nice deals. Suck it up as per usual I suppose  . |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2021 18:18:06 GMT -6
Unless you want to track with UA plugs, it doesn’t make much sense to have Apollo, but buying another interface and an octo isn’t cheaper.
Maybe make a clean break and see if you are happier with another set up ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 20, 2021 18:59:01 GMT -6
Unless you want to track with UA plugs, it doesn’t make much sense to have Apollo, but buying another interface and an octo isn’t cheaper. Maybe make a clean break and see if you are happier with another set up ? I can get some really killer acoustic sounds with that Helios on the Apollo pres. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 20, 2021 19:11:36 GMT -6
I think apollos are great but not necesarilly for everyone.
I have Helious but no unison pres so just use the eq !
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 20, 2021 20:26:15 GMT -6
You certainly have options other than UA, but it is a nice package and recording environment and Luna will just improve. Yeah, I guess you're right.. Just trying to save a bit of dosh because the move to HW has been eye watering despite my local vendor offering me some very nice deals. Suck it up as per usual I suppose . I think the obvious answer is to get a new set up in place and do some work as though you don’t have a Apollo and then see if you really miss it. I have a feeling you might end up getting additional I/O anyway. For me, at least, I couldn’t use the Big Six alone because I need ADAT. Just another thing to think about. To answer your original question I think your price is on the lower end of reasonable but certainly not a steal. As someone else said it’s weird because for the person who wants all the plugs you have it’s a bargain, for somebody else it might be just ok. |
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Post by reddirt on Dec 20, 2021 21:01:16 GMT -6
From an Australian P.O.V. an X6 let alone with all those plugs is a great deal .
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 1:41:19 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess you're right.. Just trying to save a bit of dosh because the move to HW has been eye watering despite my local vendor offering me some very nice deals. Suck it up as per usual I suppose . I think the obvious answer is to get a new set up in place and do some work as though you don’t have a Apollo and then see if you really miss it. I have a feeling you might end up getting additional I/O anyway. For me, at least, I couldn’t use the Big Six alone because I need ADAT. Just another thing to think about. To answer your original question I think your price is on the lower end of reasonable but certainly not a steal. As someone else said it’s weird because for the person who wants all the plugs you have it’s a bargain, for somebody else it might be just ok. This post ended up being useless because I dumped the Adrums and mimic, I only need 4 inputs now for instruments so that's not an issue. All the HW is integrated via channel inserts or EXT returns on the SSL so err yeah. Sorted.. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2021 2:41:01 GMT -6
Glad we helped: fade to black !
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Post by brenta on Dec 21, 2021 7:41:38 GMT -6
Unless you want to track with UA plugs, it doesn’t make much sense to have Apollo, but buying another interface and an octo isn’t cheaper. Maybe make a clean break and see if you are happier with another set up ? I see people say this a lot. I barely ever track through plugs, but the UA interfaces are still worth it for me for the near-zero latency direct monitoring, the full-featured monitor controller, the stability, and the DSP. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2021 8:23:08 GMT -6
Sure, but if, like the op you are not going to use UA plugs, you are buying the sharc chips for nothing. In that sense the Apollo interphase is relatively over priced, but still well featured.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 8:42:10 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity has anyone tried Luna with a Satellite? Can you still use them as accelerated real time plugs?
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Post by phantom on Dec 21, 2021 9:12:22 GMT -6
Unless you want to track with UA plugs, it doesn’t make much sense to have Apollo, but buying another interface and an octo isn’t cheaper. Maybe make a clean break and see if you are happier with another set up ? I see people say this a lot. I barely ever track through plugs, but the UA interfaces are still worth it for me for the near-zero latency direct monitoring, the full-featured monitor controller, the stability, and the DSP. The thing is that you can find all that, or even better, in other interfaces. But the DSP, both for tracking and mixing, is only on Apollos. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 21, 2021 9:48:23 GMT -6
There are plenty of other dsp options out there from many different manufacturers.
Plus the thing that cracks me up about UAD plugins is that you need their hardware to run them. So you effectively are tied to hardware similar to any other hardware unit. You can mix in another location without uad hardware. Which to me defeats the whole point of plugins but that's just my opinion.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 21, 2021 10:00:01 GMT -6
I'm finding I'm using UAD plugs less for mixing than I used to but more for tracking and as inserts on hardware.
But Arturia Trident has replaced UAD Trident for mixing and bx_9000J and Lindell 80 have replaced the UAD strips. For one simple reason. I can scale the UX to a reasonable size and they sound comparable. UAD would have to be mind blowing (ear blowing?) for me to tolerate mixing on those tiny virtual knobs for 8 hours.
But again, I couldn't do without it on the tracking side. I struggled with Console for a while but now that I've mastered it, it's a really great little tool. And I use the UAD Pultecs and Ampex on virtually every mix. And he Fairchilds on about half. And the reverbs too.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2021 12:17:37 GMT -6
UA for mixing doesn’t need an Apollo that is what the cards and quad or octo boxes do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 13:08:52 GMT -6
I'm finding I'm using UAD plugs less for mixing than I used to but more for tracking and as inserts on hardware. But Arturia Trident has replaced UAD Trident for mixing and bx_9000J and Lindell 80 have replaced the UAD strips. For one simple reason. I can scale the UX to a reasonable size and they sound comparable. UAD would have to be mind blowing (ear blowing?) for me to tolerate mixing on those tiny virtual knobs for 8 hours. But again, I couldn't do without it on the tracking side. I struggled with Console for a while but now that I've mastered it, it's a really great little tool. And I use the UAD Pultecs and Ampex on virtually every mix. And he Fairchilds on about half. And the reverbs too. Well UAD-2 use SHARC DSP chips from 15 years ago. How well can that compete with Alder Lake for raw DSP muscle? It can’t. They have work ing sub 1 ms attack filters in native dsp now. UAD ain’t even close but they have brand names and convince people with older computers to buy the octo instead of a Mac Mini, Mac Book Air, or building any decent Windows desktop. Their RTL is horrible compared to Lynx and RME. You don’t need to monitor off the interface mixer with those two. |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 21, 2021 13:18:20 GMT -6
Nobody needs an Apollo / UAD anything. It really is a philosophical question, since the answer is, you could work with or without it, easily.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 21, 2021 13:32:55 GMT -6
I've never been happier with my plugin options and I use zero UAD. That said, when you have tools you love and rely on it's tough to give that up. Familiarity can really allow you to mix from a place of confidence.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 21, 2021 13:44:22 GMT -6
I'm finding I'm using UAD plugs less for mixing than I used to but more for tracking and as inserts on hardware. But Arturia Trident has replaced UAD Trident for mixing and bx_9000J and Lindell 80 have replaced the UAD strips. For one simple reason. I can scale the UX to a reasonable size and they sound comparable. UAD would have to be mind blowing (ear blowing?) for me to tolerate mixing on those tiny virtual knobs for 8 hours. But again, I couldn't do without it on the tracking side. I struggled with Console for a while but now that I've mastered it, it's a really great little tool. And I use the UAD Pultecs and Ampex on virtually every mix. And he Fairchilds on about half. And the reverbs too. Well UAD-2 use SHARC DSP chips from 15 years ago. How well can that compete with Alder Lake for raw DSP muscle? It can’t. They have work ing sub 1 ms attack filters in native dsp now. UAD ain’t even close but they have brand names and convince people with older computers to buy the octo instead of a Mac Mini, Mac Book Air, or building any decent Windows desktop. Their RTL is horrible compared to Lynx and RME. You don’t need to monitor off the interface mixer with those two. I can see doing that type of reconfiguration when I start hitting limits with the Apollo stuff I have. But I'm not running into any challenges in terms of processing power or latency so there's really no reason to right now unless I'm missing something. A 16 channel Aurora would cost like $4500 and I'd still need a way to get 16 channels of ADAT in. So even though I could probably trade out my x8 and x4 for an Aurora, I'd still be looking at getting another ADAT conversion solution for 16 more channels and I'd need a new monitor controller. And for my expense I'd get conversion that is better but that I can't personally hear anyway in a full mix and a whole bunch of new stuff to learn versus a system I already know that is not holding me back. Now... if I was building from scratch would I go the Apollo route? Hard to say. It's a much easier system to expand slowly but if I scrapped everything and said, ok here's $80k, build it all at once? I think I'd probably go a different way. |
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