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Post by Johnkenn on May 7, 2014 17:06:25 GMT -6
This is interesting... www.meterplugs.com/perceptionFeatures Bypass entire FX chains Fast A/B testing Loudness matching Plugin delay compensation Peak to loudness ratio display Dynamic range tweaking Snapshots What's included? AAX plugin for Pro Tools 10.3.6+ or 11 (Mac/Win) Audio Unit plugin (Mac) VST plugin (Mac/Win) All plugins are 32-bit & 64-bit Perception User Guide
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Post by Johnkenn on May 7, 2014 17:07:10 GMT -6
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Post by warren on May 7, 2014 17:37:15 GMT -6
"You don't have to learn the skill..." Does look handy though. Putting this on my list to check out. Thanks for sharing
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Post by henge on May 7, 2014 18:26:33 GMT -6
It's $150. I think it's way too much for what it does. Great idea though.
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Post by popmann on May 7, 2014 23:24:42 GMT -6
I just didn't purchase a record the other day because it was DR6. It wasn't the first. It won't be the last.
There's plenty of music that's been recorded WELL. Mastered WELL. If you want your contribution to "stand up" to my collection of DCC and MoFi and Pono masters...you're gonna get it in double digits.
I bought the new McLachlan despite it being DR8...she could sing into a cassette Walkman and I'd buy it. New artists and artists who aren't in my top ten of all time don't get that luxury.
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Post by levon on May 8, 2014 1:45:10 GMT -6
I just didn't purchase a record the other day because it was DR6. It wasn't the first. It won't be the last. There's plenty of music that's been recorded WELL. Mastered WELL. If you want your contribution to "stand up" to my collection of DCC and MoFi and Pono masters...you're gonna get it in double digits. I bought the new McLachlan despite it being DR8...she could sing into a cassette Walkman and I'd buy it. New artists and artists who aren't in my top ten of all time don't get that luxury. Are DR values actually displayed on records/CDs? I have never seen them...
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Post by warren on May 8, 2014 2:10:26 GMT -6
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Post by levon on May 8, 2014 2:24:45 GMT -6
Didn't know that existed. Thanks for the link, Warren.
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Post by warren on May 8, 2014 2:28:43 GMT -6
Me either, just googled it Now if it's actually accurate, who knows
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Post by levon on May 8, 2014 2:31:50 GMT -6
Just for kicks, I sorted the album list by DR value and wow, there are actually albums with a value of 0. No, I don't want to know how they sound, shudder...
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Post by henge on May 8, 2014 5:50:01 GMT -6
Just for kicks, I sorted the album list by DR value and wow, there are actually albums with a value of 0. No, I don't want to know how they sound, shudder... WHAT? 0? are you serious!! That's ridiculous...
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Post by warren on May 8, 2014 6:42:36 GMT -6
I don't know, I buy music because I like it. Not because it's 1 dynamic range higher or lower than another. That's a bit silly to me. Maybe if I was shopping for references, but I usually don't buy just for that
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Post by popmann on May 8, 2014 13:34:44 GMT -6
To clarify, It's a negative sum game. I'm not buying anything because it has dynamic range. I obviously have to like music content to buy it. I'm REFUSING to buy recordings because they have had all life removed from them and will be unplayable on my listening system.
I should've stopped by 2000...I just shook my head and figured "this too shall pass"-like it was a fad...it hasn't...so market pressure exerted.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 8, 2014 13:55:03 GMT -6
i agree with pop, shit dr ratings= music robbed of it's emotion imv, even if the music is great, it's like the anticipation of a sexy woman about to whisper in you ear, but she ends up having a really loud robot voice and tiny hairy balls under her skirt lol..
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 8, 2014 13:59:28 GMT -6
it's like the anticipation of a sexy woman about to whisper in you ear, but she ends up having a really loud robot voice and tiny hairy balls under her skirt lol.. Sounds like you speak from experience.
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Post by tonycamphd on May 8, 2014 14:10:17 GMT -6
it's like the anticipation of a sexy woman about to whisper in you ear, but she ends up having a really loud robot voice and tiny hairy balls under her skirt lol.. Sounds like you speak from experience. dude... i don't want to talk about it ok.
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Post by henge on May 8, 2014 14:33:51 GMT -6
Sounds like you speak from experience. dude... i don't want to talk about it ok. LOL!
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Post by joey808 on May 8, 2014 14:56:39 GMT -6
Lol!
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Post by henge on May 9, 2014 6:21:59 GMT -6
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Post by littlesicily on May 11, 2014 20:17:14 GMT -6
Cool idea.
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Post by popmann on May 12, 2014 15:50:41 GMT -6
One last thought on loudness in mastering...as it relates to Soundcheck offsets--or any manual way you want to match gain--including this one. It makes the assumption that there's not an inherient "cost/penalty" to higher RMS. On systems that digitally attenaute--meaning your iThing or computer app (generally speaking)--there isn't an inherient penalty. But, if ever you wonder why "audiophiles" (or more accurately just people who actively listen to music on purpose built systems) still have issues with say DR8 "nicely done" loud masters--it's because you're driving the input of the analog section beyond it's sweet spot.
I ran into this when I was doing a lot of comparing vinyl masters to the new Oppo playing Pono masters...see, you HAVE to gain match, or it's an absurd comparison---on shitty little systems, louder will be better...and on big systems, quieter/more dynamic will be better--period, all day...so, when you digitally attenuate the digital player/DAC to match the output of the vinyl preamp...yes, the dynamic master still wins--but, not by as large a margin...this is because volume isn't ALL relative. ie, you can't just "turn down" a loud master--you have to DIGITALLY attenuate it...if you use the analog volume control on 95% of receivers, you're literally still distorting the input and then turning down the output...so, you've got quiet AND distorted playback.
This is why I can take FXG, which does this gain offset....or T-Racks which also does it...I can get my stuff to say DR9 or 8 without doing a TON of harm....UNTIL, you uncheck the offset and actually feed the DR8 RMS to the analog amp--then it sucks.
So, I wanted to point this out to all those doing one's own "mastering"--it doesn't matter if you can "transparently" get single digits...which good mastering engineers have been able to do for some time...because when you put that into a CD player (most of which can't digitally attenuate) you will be saturating the analog sections of whatever preamp it's fed into...again...matters not for an iThing or a computer speaker...or technically, the Oppo is a 32bit Sabre DAC able to attenuate prior to conversion losslessly...but, a normal "everyman" CD player or DVD player being fed to a stereo can't....so DR14-10 WILL sound better on those systems--even if it loudness is done "transparently".
This is why I've LONG said I think we need two formats. That worked. We KNOW most people don't care...that's why 80% of sales when I was in record retail were cassettes versus vinyl or CD...but, the real music listening fans DO care...and want the dynamics. The answer to this is IN that statement. The people who DON'T care....don't care...they're not going to NOT buy because it's too dynamic. They buy based solely on content. The people who DO care...don't want it loud. So, that's who you cater to, IMO. But, then-I'm biased, being that I AM that audience.
And I DO buy a lot of music.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 12, 2014 19:47:21 GMT -6
Bob Orban asked me to encourage labels to offer special non-limited versions for radio stations!
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