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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 8, 2021 22:03:51 GMT -6
Plenty of rooms get overwhelmed with volume, and everything becomes bleed. That seems to define possibilities more than anything else. [...] And really, being realistic about the room, and deciding what you will and what you will not record is the secret to one-room studios. YES. YES. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Nov 14, 2021 10:18:01 GMT -6
Plenty of rooms get overwhelmed with volume, and everything becomes bleed. That seems to define possibilities more than anything else. ...snip..... And really, being realistic about the room, and deciding what you will and what you will not record is the secret to one-room studios.^^^This. This is the starting point to building a one-room. |
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Post by rockinrobin on Nov 19, 2021 9:47:54 GMT -6
Thank you all for the inspiration and encouragement. One thing I’m thinking through is where to put the mixing desk and speakers. I hear common guidance is about a third from the wall, but that results in facing me away from the band. If I put the desk facing the other way so I’m looking at the band, it would result in me sitting pretty close to the back wall, is that going to be a problem? I would consider building some gobos and arraigning them similar to an ASC Attack Wall. Then I’d heavily treat the back wall. 2-3ft of floor to ceiling insulation (like roxul safe n sound) would make a killer bass trap and really help your monitoring. Maybe cover it with wood slats to retain a more natural sound. With your back about 12” from the back wall you’d still have quite a bit of space in the room for the band. And you’d be far enough away from the wall for a little diffusion if you need/want it. How good are these ASC rolls? I was interested in them but I'm not sure about their efficiency for the $$ |
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Post by yewtreemagic on Nov 20, 2021 8:17:50 GMT -6
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Post by rockinrobin on Nov 21, 2021 13:50:10 GMT -6
Great thanks for the link  It seems they are very good, but still pricey... with that kind of money you could possibly do something way better DIY... |
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Post by yewtreemagic on Nov 21, 2021 14:29:52 GMT -6
Great thanks for the link It seems they are very good, but still pricey... with that kind of money you could possibly do something way better DIY... Yep, you're paying for convenience, portability and versatility. Martin |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 23, 2021 14:50:01 GMT -6
I moved into A VERY SMALL ROOM recently. The last property I was in, was sold without warning, April of last year, and I had to vacate in 4 weeks. During the height of Covid. So I had to find and build out a temporary room so I could continue to work. That said, new closet is: 17 feet wide, 23 feet deep. and sadly 7 foot ceilings! Had 12 of the ASC tube traps from my last place, And 16 custom made Studio Stacker 3 x 2 gobos. Sold them all! It was either room for them or the musicians, and the gear I needed to make records. Once again, knowing your limitations within the space you are in is key. I can do almost anything I did in my old joint, which was 43 x 35 x 13, here. Other then the Bonham style drums, unless I use samples. (which I don't) So I target the stuff I can do here, Americana, Singer songwriter, Blues, etc, etc, and all's good. A few pics below is where I'm at right now. Not sure if I will take it any further, as I'm looking for a new location.... |
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Post by Guitar on Nov 23, 2021 15:20:11 GMT -6
nobtwiddler you've got that vibe on lockdown! love the mojo of that room/setup!
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 24, 2021 11:07:36 GMT -6
Thank you!
I believe the vibe of the room is very, very, important, if you expect anyone to create in there.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 24, 2021 11:42:24 GMT -6
Thank you! I believe the vibe of the room is very, very, important, if you expect anyone to create in there. Pretty impressive maximization of space. In that room, are you generally going for a basic tracks and stack overdubs approach? Or just kind funning with "bleed is part of life, make it part of the sound" type thought process? |
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Post by Ward on Nov 24, 2021 17:43:34 GMT -6
I moved into A VERY SMALL ROOM recently. The last property I was in, was sold without warning, April of last year, and I had to vacate in 4 weeks. During the height of Covid. So I had to find and build out a temporary room so I could continue to work. That said, new closet is: 17 feet wide, 23 feet deep. and sadly 7 foot ceilings! Had 12 of the ASC tube traps from my last place, And 16 custom made Studio Stacker 3 x 2 gobos. Sold them all! It was either room for them or the musicians, and the gear I needed to make records. Once again, knowing your limitations within the space you are in is key. I can do almost anything I did in my old joint, which was 43 x 35 x 13, here. Other then the Bonham style drums, unless I use samples. (which I don't) So I target the stuff I can do here, Americana, Singer songwriter, Blues, etc, etc, and all's good. A few pics below is where I'm at right now. Not sure if I will take it any further, as I'm looking for a new location.... The same madness here built Spitnik! Pure brilliance in an overcrowded, cluttered, madman's laboratory. I love it. |
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Post by gouge on Nov 24, 2021 18:19:31 GMT -6
love your vibe!
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 26, 2021 18:49:27 GMT -6
Hey Graves...
To answer your question,
It depends, but most of the stuff I track is a few people at one time.
So that said, It's usually drums, bass, and at least one guitar, either electric, or acoustic, and scratch vocal.
If it's an electric guitar, no problem, as all my amps are wired to ISO cabinets in another part of the building.
So no leakage at into the room at all~!
Bass is always, a Di one of these, (Avalon U5, Zod, Demeter Tube Di, ADL Tube Di, Evil Twin, or Radial) as well as my Ampeg B15, wired to a Cabinet, elsewhere in the building.
if it's an acoustic guitar, & live drums, then I have to isolate them as much as I can, which means placing the acoustic guitar as far away from the drums as possible in this little space. (opposite end of the room)
Then using the proper mic, (polar pattern) to reject as much as possible, as well as taking a di of the guitar for emergency only.
But here's the deal,
If we get a great feeling take, I keep the original Acoustic tracks, but I will usually have the guitarist immediately cut the track again to what we just printed, but this time alone with no one else playing in the room.
Works a charm.
Most of the time, there is also a scratch vocal printed also. And lots of time, we'll keep this, and punch if need be.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 27, 2021 12:00:56 GMT -6
Hey Graves... To answer your question, It depends, but most of the stuff I track is a few people at one time. So that said, It's usually drums, bass, and at least one guitar, either electric, or acoustic, and scratch vocal. If it's an electric guitar, no problem, as all my amps are wired to ISO cabinets in another part of the building. So no leakage at into the room at all~! Bass is always, a Di one of these, (Avalon U5, Zod, Demeter Tube Di, ADL Tube Di, Evil Twin, or Radial) as well as my Ampeg B15, wired to a Cabinet, elsewhere in the building. if it's an acoustic guitar, & live drums, then I have to isolate them as much as I can, which means placing the acoustic guitar as far away from the drums as possible in this little space. (opposite end of the room) Then using the proper mic, (polar pattern) to reject as much as possible, as well as taking a di of the guitar for emergency only. But here's the deal, If we get a great feeling take, I keep the original Acoustic tracks, but I will usually have the guitarist immediately cut the track again to what we just printed, but this time alone with no one else playing in the room. Works a charm. Most of the time, there is also a scratch vocal printed also. And lots of time, we'll keep this, and punch if need be. It's the amps I was most curious about. That makes sense if you have another place to put them. Personally I enjoy being on the recording end of spaces like these. I think it can be stressful for the engineer but for the player, as long as the AE knows what they're doing, it can be a lot of fun. Also assuming you actually like you're bandmates. Big key there! |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 27, 2021 15:36:21 GMT -6
Actually,
I've found being in the room with the drummer, isn't a big deal, with the proper setup and good isolating headphones, no biggie.
But sitting in the room with cranked guitar amps in a NO GO!
Will never do that again.
And that's why they are Isolated in a galaxy far away!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 27, 2021 15:51:19 GMT -6
Actually, I've found being in the room with the drummer, isn't a big deal, with the proper setup and good isolating headphones, no biggie. But sitting in the room with cranked guitar amps in a NO GO! Will never do that again. And that's why they are Isolated in a galaxy far away! 100% Drums - Backbone of the song. Bring it on. Amps - Even I don't want to hear my own guitar that loud. |
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Post by decasta on Jan 19, 2022 17:10:33 GMT -6
Hey friends. I'm about to move into a new place, and it's forcing me to go down to a one room setup. I drafted out the space and my gear in Sketchup, and I'm curious about all y'all's thoughts about the setup. The plan is that i'm going to DIY a bunch of tube traps for max absorption and a ton of mobility. I'll place a ton of them where my "control room" will be, and then I'll have a bunch of other tube traps on hand to create a dead space within the room when I have to record anything. Then I'll just stack them against a wall when I'm not using them, and setup and tear down drums as needed.   |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 24, 2022 16:27:45 GMT -6
Hey friends. I'm about to move into a new place, and it's forcing me to go down to a one room setup. I drafted out the space and my gear in Sketchup, and I'm curious about all y'all's thoughts about the setup. The plan is that i'm going to DIY a bunch of tube traps for max absorption and a ton of mobility. I'll place a ton of them where my "control room" will be, and then I'll have a bunch of other tube traps on hand to create a dead space within the room when I have to record anything. Then I'll just stack them against a wall when I'm not using them, and setup and tear down drums as needed. I'm curious about the thought process on setting your desk up in the corner like that. There are no rules of course and anything could work, but I was just wondering if there's something specific you have in mind. Also, that setup seems to take up more space when I would be thinking about maximizing space. You lose all use of the wall to the right of the entry door as well as across from the entry door. Why not do a more traditional setup on the left wall (from when you walk in, top of your diagram)? I'm guessing you're a bit worried about having 25ft behind one speaker and a lot less behind the other, but still seems like that would be solvable by just cheating the desk over a few feet. |
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Post by decasta on Jan 24, 2022 22:02:20 GMT -6
Hey friends. I'm about to move into a new place, and it's forcing me to go down to a one room setup. I drafted out the space and my gear in Sketchup, and I'm curious about all y'all's thoughts about the setup. The plan is that i'm going to DIY a bunch of tube traps for max absorption and a ton of mobility. I'll place a ton of them where my "control room" will be, and then I'll have a bunch of other tube traps on hand to create a dead space within the room when I have to record anything. Then I'll just stack them against a wall when I'm not using them, and setup and tear down drums as needed. I'm curious about the thought process on setting your desk up in the corner like that. There are no rules of course and anything could work, but I was just wondering if there's something specific you have in mind. Also, that setup seems to take up more space when I would be thinking about maximizing space. You lose all use of the wall to the right of the entry door as well as across from the entry door. Why not do a more traditional setup on the left wall (from when you walk in, top of your diagram)? I'm guessing you're a bit worried about having 25ft behind one speaker and a lot less behind the other, but still seems like that would be solvable by just cheating the desk over a few feet. So the entry way is actually at the bottom, where the room is most narrow. The big door in the top left is to the furnace room, with the washroom right next to it. I guess I should've labelled those door ways, haha. This layout is only way I could think of to make it the most open. My previous layout looked like this...  But this layout felt more claustrophobic and congested, and makes the washroom entrance a lot less accessible. I'd also have no line of sight with the talent. The easy thing would be setup along the back wall, beside the big doorway, but then it would make getting into that room (where the furnace is and what not) really difficult, and I also wouldn't really have a way to treat that side. Being in the corner was the most symmetrical way I could think of to setup. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 24, 2022 23:30:03 GMT -6
decasta ok that makes more sense. So the big wall has a gigantic door on the left. To me, it still seems like the first and most obvious thing to try is to put your desk on the 14 foot wall. According to your diagram the width of the the "L" part of the room is about 10 feet. So you could still "cheat" your desk a little bit by calling that 11 feet or so. Assume your desk is 5 feet wide (very well could/should be smaller) and you could do three feet of clearance on the right and 6 ft on the left. Use leave yourself 50% of that cleanse on the left and you've got plenty of room to get in/out of the furnace area. In terms of flow, that really seems the best to me. And I'm pretty good with understanding flow. I would try that. Now in terms of sound? 1) I'm not quite as good at that. 2) You'd really need to hear it anyway. BUT... with so much space behind you and the amount of treatment it looks like you're committing to, my money would be on "usable". If you sketch it up to scale I think you'll see what I mean (or you'll see I'm totally wrong).
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Post by Omicron9 on Feb 20, 2022 9:31:46 GMT -6
Thank you! I believe the vibe of the room is very, very, important, if you expect anyone to create in there. Agreed. This topic could almost be its own subforum. -09 |
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Post by stratboy on Mar 12, 2022 23:37:09 GMT -6
Hey friends. I'm about to move into a new place, and it's forcing me to go down to a one room setup. I drafted out the space and my gear in Sketchup, and I'm curious about all y'all's thoughts about the setup. The plan is that i'm going to DIY a bunch of tube traps for max absorption and a ton of mobility. I'll place a ton of them where my "control room" will be, and then I'll have a bunch of other tube traps on hand to create a dead space within the room when I have to record anything. Then I'll just stack them against a wall when I'm not using them, and setup and tear down drums as needed. I'm curious about the thought process on setting your desk up in the corner like that. There are no rules of course and anything could work, but I was just wondering if there's something specific you have in mind. Also, that setup seems to take up more space when I would be thinking about maximizing space. You lose all use of the wall to the right of the entry door as well as across from the entry door. Why not do a more traditional setup on the left wall (from when you walk in, top of your diagram)? I'm guessing you're a bit worried about having 25ft behind one speaker and a lot less behind the other, but still seems like that would be solvable by just cheating the desk over a few feet. I suggest keeping the corner location. Why? Because the angles of the walls behind the desk will give better dispersion than any other spot. Every other location has parallel walls and very short or very long distances to the back wall. I used a corner location in my old L-shaped room and it worked out quite well. The biggest problem, and the reason why people don’t think the corner location works, is bass management. But you can control this by putting a lot of bass absorber in the corner, and if you have subs, use two to minimize nodes. On the benefit side, your imaging will be good. |
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