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Post by sparkey on Oct 12, 2021 14:55:58 GMT -6
what is recommended for 500 series mic pre especially for electric guitar cabinets,
BAE MPL, Avedis MA5, TG2 500
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 12, 2021 15:01:19 GMT -6
VP28(pretty hard to get these days)
VP312
Hairball Bronze(LA3A amp circuit in a mic pre, can be cool)
Anything clean like a Grace with headroom is nice too.
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Post by enlav on Oct 12, 2021 15:28:36 GMT -6
Might be useful to know what microphones you're using. Some dynamics feel like they respond a fair bit differently with various preamps (or rather... different input impedance?).
edit: various Neve style units will have switchable impedance, which is also affected by the gain staging; the result is that you can get various tonal changes from running low gain, high output, or vice versa... not to mention the change in laying off the gain vs. pushing the preamp.
Could be really useful for cleaner tones; not sure how it would translated on distorted/fuzz tones though.
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Post by sparkey on Oct 12, 2021 15:38:39 GMT -6
Royer 122V, 57, Stager SR1A
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Post by notneeson on Oct 12, 2021 16:12:30 GMT -6
Haven't used the 500 series, but the TG2 is a great preamp on electric guitar (and more).
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Post by nick8801 on Oct 12, 2021 16:48:31 GMT -6
I’m a fan of anything 1073 derived for electric guitars.
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Post by matt@IAA on Oct 12, 2021 17:24:03 GMT -6
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Post by yotonic on Oct 12, 2021 17:56:04 GMT -6
Preamps are like microphones. You need to choose the one whose characteristics you want imprinted on your guitar track. My Neve 1073 has more bass-end than my Wunder and my API has more mid range cut than my Quad Eight. If you record your own music, tailor your gear to your sound. If you record others then you are going to need 3-4 preamps to cover your bases.
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Post by Ward on Oct 12, 2021 18:20:53 GMT -6
Anything API or CAPI. But especially the 312 architecture! It saves you a lot of EQing later. Also great, the audioscape V1108. That thing has some serious mojo. But you need to hit it hard for it to start working and making an impact. That's the least idiot-proof piece of gear from AS. In other words, it took me the longest to figure out . . . as I've proven myself to have idiotic tendencies on occasion. |
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Post by phdamage on Oct 12, 2021 19:18:34 GMT -6
Anything from Chandler or the AudioScape v108 is my fave for a dynamic mics (germ, little Devil or tg). I like my JLM 99v for ribbons. But I’ve honestly had good results with almost anything I’ve used, aside from my Hamptone jfet, which seems kinda fussy with dirt guitars
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Post by standup on Oct 12, 2021 20:39:17 GMT -6
Royer 122V, 57, Stager SR1A Personally I’d use an AEA RPQ500. Ribbons and all dynamics, as far as I can tell, sound bigger through this pre. It works for me, anyway. Though I do track guitars with API derived pres too. Or RND 511. Depends. That’s just me though. |
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Post by seawell on Oct 12, 2021 21:03:45 GMT -6
My favorite for guitars is the Shadow Hills Mono Gama.
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Post by javamad on Oct 13, 2021 2:53:31 GMT -6
API 512v is my go to.
I have also got good results with the RND 511
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Post by din on Oct 13, 2021 20:54:56 GMT -6
TG2-500
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Post by thecolourfulway on Oct 14, 2021 0:04:50 GMT -6
No for real though can I tell you about the guitar tones I’ve been getting the past couple sessions with a QP5, good lord! Marshall and vox, 414BULS, or unidyne 546 or Oktava MK319….any and all combination of those things killing with the QP…I’ll try to post some samples tomorrow |
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Post by jaminem on Oct 14, 2021 6:53:20 GMT -6
CAPI VP26, less bottom than the VP25 (cos you're cutting it anyway right), less top than the VP312 (cutting that as well), less saturated than the VP28. I have them all, the VP26 is the one. You're welcome.  |
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Post by svart on Oct 14, 2021 9:09:56 GMT -6
Honestly anything API style like the CAPI or IronAge stuff will work great. I find that the API type stuff is just the tiniest amount mid-forward compared to neve type stuff which helps accentuate the guitar, although you can't really go wrong with neve either. I guess really any preamp in that kind of class will be "good enough".
I think the input impedance-changes-the-tone stuff is a little more red-herring than some know. I've heard two different SM57's sound way more different from each other than some of the impedance setting changes sound with a single mic.
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 14, 2021 13:19:20 GMT -6
I may be alone in feeling this way, but electric guitar is one source I'm not at all picky about what preamp I use. I feel the nature of electric guitar is so all over the place in terms of tone that the preamp is not a critical factor. Amp settings, speaker type, mic, mic position, guitar pickup (neck vs bridge etc), string gauge, string material, etc etc all play such a huge factor in the recorded tone that I personally kind of don't care what preamp I'm using as long as its a good one. I typically use a vp28 or aml ez1073 or a LA610. They all sound good. I don't stress it at all.
Acoustic instruments, vocals, and even keys/synths I think are way more sensitive to preamp choice.
YMMV
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Post by ericn on Oct 14, 2021 14:04:33 GMT -6
Heifer!
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Post by sparkey on Jun 11, 2023 11:35:45 GMT -6
I Want to try the chandler TG2 on recording rock electric guitar speaker cabinets. Which version is recommended? TG2 19 inch rack with a ribbon and a SM57, pair of TG2 500 mic pre’s with a ribbon and SM57 Or
The TG2 cassette channel strip, with a mono mic?
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Post by srb on Jun 11, 2023 11:59:52 GMT -6
Gotta mention the Phoenix DRS pre. Really nice on electric guitar. RND pre's, especially with the HPF engaged, will work every time.
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Post by niklas1073 on Jun 11, 2023 12:14:53 GMT -6
I think a lot comes down to what type of music, what type of guitar sounds which leads to what mics are you using, close up or distant? Quite a few variables. I suppose the palette is rather wide what works as the thread already indicates. This could bring forth some spefic ones people finds specifically great for exactly what you are doing,
Personally I don’t tend to close mic guitar cabs. I want the room too so I use ribbons or LDCs mainly. I tend to go for big guitar sounds and use almost exclusively BAE 1073 pre for that nowadays. I change the character then by running it thru 1176 or La2a depending on the wanted outcome. I have even lately used this same setup for blue grass style of recordings, mandolin, resonators which I before used to record with ua710 tube side, also with good results.
So I suppose a 1073 as mentioned before would at least be a safe bet for quite a wide range of usage. And the good thing is you have plenty of 500 series options to pick from in varying price range.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 11, 2023 12:19:23 GMT -6
I just got a CAPI Heider that would be killer for electric. Fast, punchy and incredibly detailed. And driving it sounds glorious. jsteiger |
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Post by notneeson on Jun 11, 2023 12:31:32 GMT -6
How did this thread come back to life? Lol.
It occurs to me now that every mic pre mentioned would be awesome for electric guitars and everything else. Spoiled for choice.
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Post by niklas1073 on Jun 11, 2023 13:16:46 GMT -6
How did this thread come back to life? Lol. It occurs to me now that every mic pre mentioned would be awesome for electric guitars and everything else. Spoiled for choice. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this was hilarious, didn't even notice it was an old thread since it was only one page and the flow kind of kept going nicely on |
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