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Post by EmRR on Sept 28, 2021 17:54:27 GMT -6
Though now that I think about it... I can't remember the last time I recorded ANYTHING in stereo aside from drums and piano...
Totally. Leslie maybe. I record acoustic guitar in stereo frequently, if it's a sparse arrangement. In The Jazz a lot of bassists seem to like spaced pair stereo, the number of times I've heard something like "AB spaced C12's was the best". Things that have two mics on them often get some stereo from panning. None of which requires matching, really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 18:05:56 GMT -6
I record acoustic guitar in stereo frequently, if it's a sparse arrangement. In The Jazz a lot of bassists seem to like spaced pair stereo, the number of times I've heard something like "AB spaced C12's was the best". Things that have two mics on them often get some stereo from panning. None of which requires matching, really. Yep. Which was our topic, lest we forget. Stereo upright could be cool. Will have to try next time.
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Post by drbill on Sept 29, 2021 9:15:35 GMT -6
Turning any stereo mic-ing system 45 degrees and you've lost me....
I get the math. I don't get the practical sonics of it.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2021 0:39:54 GMT -6
Of course those are "stylized" plots, not taken using actual microphones, which are generally less "perfect"....
Still very interesting.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2021 0:44:11 GMT -6
I could always tell the story of rep who spent 1/2 an hour explaining all the work that went into matching multiple pattern LDCs in matched pairs but when asked the simple question of what pattern do they use or weigh highest in the whole deal. He could not understand that that might matter. Back when I was working for FM Productions (who were their own Beyer dealer) Beyer mics guaqranteed that any two mics of a given model would make a stereo pair. They supplied individual pen graph plots, IDed by serial, to prove it.
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2021 20:51:51 GMT -6
I could always tell the story of rep who spent 1/2 an hour explaining all the work that went into matching multiple pattern LDCs in matched pairs but when asked the simple question of what pattern do they use or weigh highest in the whole deal. He could not understand that that might matter. Back when I was working for FM Productions (who were their own Beyer dealer) Beyer mics guaqranteed that any two mics of a given model would make a stereo pair. They supplied individual pen graph plots, IDed by serial, to prove it. Yeah but did you have the guts to ask how much smoothing was used on those curves? I only ask because I was stupid/ gutsy enough to ask. My old Beyer rep is still a close friend.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 1, 2021 15:04:07 GMT -6
Back when I was working for FM Productions (who were their own Beyer dealer) Beyer mics guaqranteed that any two mics of a given model would make a stereo pair. They supplied individual pen graph plots, IDed by serial, to prove it. Yeah but did you have the guts to ask how much smoothing was used on those curves? I only ask because I was stupid/ gutsy enough to ask. My old Beyer rep is still a close friend. Well, they weren't printouts or printed, they were the actual pen graphs on the skinny litte pen graph paper, so I never really thought about it. And no two were EXACTLY alike if you looked really close.
Understand, this was back in 1978.
Do they build "smoothing" into the actual pen graph machines? I've never heard of that. Do they make distortion analyzers that lie too? Can't we trust test instruments?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 15:54:30 GMT -6
Yeah but did you have the guts to ask how much smoothing was used on those curves? I only ask because I was stupid/ gutsy enough to ask. My old Beyer rep is still a close friend. Well, they weren't printouts or printed, they were the actual pen graphs on the skinny litte pen graph paper, so I never really thought about it. And no two were EXACTLY alike if you looked really close.
Understand, this was back in 1978.
Do they build "smoothing" into the actual pen graph machines? I've never heard of that. Do they make distortion analyzers that lie too? Can't we trust test instruments?
Imagine if seismographs worked that way. There'd be uproar.
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Post by ericn on Oct 1, 2021 16:00:15 GMT -6
Yeah but did you have the guts to ask how much smoothing was used on those curves? I only ask because I was stupid/ gutsy enough to ask. My old Beyer rep is still a close friend. Well, they weren't printouts or printed, they were the actual pen graphs on the skinny litte pen graph paper, so I never really thought about it. And no two were EXACTLY alike if you looked really close.
Understand, this was back in 1978.
Do they build "smoothing" into the actual pen graph machines? I've never heard of that. Do they make distortion analyzers that lie too? Can't we trust test instruments?
Yeah they do build it in, have forever.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 1, 2021 17:24:03 GMT -6
Sounds like a plot to me. Just give me the Beyer facts pu-leeze. Chris
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Post by chessparov on Oct 1, 2021 17:25:42 GMT -6
Turning any stereo mic-ing system 45 degrees and you've lost me.... I get the math. I don't get the practical sonics of it. I don't even get the impractical sonics. But they do have a good burger. Chris
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 17:42:58 GMT -6
Turning any stereo mic-ing system 45 degrees and you've lost me.... I get the math. I don't get the practical sonics of it. I don't even get the impractical sonics. But they do have a good burger. Chris You're on fire today, chessparov.
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