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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 12, 2021 8:49:40 GMT -6
True but my PC already exists in another room(like most studios that had or still run on cheese graters) so noise is not an issue. I can also repair it, build, upgrade etc. If the fans do kick on because of big sessions, then I'd rather have the computer in the other room. If its on the MBP, then it's right under my nose. And while the fans don't kick on much in 2021 on these things, give it a few years when software and plugins become more demanding because they *always* do, then fans will be on a higher percentage of the time, I bet. If it's a computer that needs to last 10 years or so(it better for the money) then you have to plan for the advancement/demands of technology.
So far my M1 Mini fan comes on only sometimes, and it's hard to even hear. So there is that.
But, there will surely be a Mac Pro for that at some point.
Plusses, the MBP can be an anywhere rig for mobile and the studio. So if no pro Mini arrives, I'll consider a docked MBP... because they are beastly.
If you’re able to put your PC in another room, that’s awesome. Machine rooms were the norm 20 years ago, but they are super rare these days, at least in my area. My MacBook Pro is about to hit 10 years old without any need to reconfigure ram, cpu, or hard drive. I’ve got one of these new MBPs on the way and I expect it to last 10-15 years as well. Part of it is because of me buying over-built units. I'll be curious to hear your review. I may go the max route or at least a pro. I really don't need a 16" screen if I'm docking. But the extra power would be welcome with the occasional video work I do. Could be the answer for me, though my mini is hanging in there...
EDIT: and I bought a 2012 Macbook Pro in 2017 or 2018. Put an SSD in it and more ram. It's been a great mobile rig. It's awesome still.
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Post by cyrano on Dec 12, 2021 18:01:16 GMT -6
Too bad Apple neglects pro audio market because the money is not there. The stuff they have been doing in the last 10 years for the Starbucks market hurts the pro users. Soldered in ssds, batteries, and ram, thermal issues, os updates breaking plugins and drivers, neglecting Logic. It's not as if Microsoft is any more interested, I'd say. I just wish Linux would finally make it for audio. It seems to be happening, with Reaper available for Linux and some other stuff happening, but it still feels like they glanced once too often at Windows, with several different audio systems. Add PulseAudio and we're again in a sort of chaos for nerds. Think I'll wait 'till RME decides to support Linux...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 18:03:53 GMT -6
Too bad Apple neglects pro audio market because the money is not there. The stuff they have been doing in the last 10 years for the Starbucks market hurts the pro users. Soldered in ssds, batteries, and ram, thermal issues, os updates breaking plugins and drivers, neglecting Logic. It's not as if Microsoft is any more interested, I'd say. I just wish Linux would finally make it for audio. It seems to be happening, with Reaper available for Linux and some other stuff happening, but it still feels like they glanced once too often at Windows, with several different audio systems. Add PulseAudio and we're again in a sort of chaos for nerds. Think I'll wait 'till RME decides to support Linux... We need the best plugs to get to Linux and better interface drivers. The most stable interfaces are still hell on Linux.
The fanless MacBook and m1 MBA were the best things to happen to pro audio in a while. Noiseless portable recording rigs. Just Apple needs a high powered solution not a 4000 dollar laptop. Once every gen or two, one of the thinkpad workstation laptops is awesome for audio but sometimes they're throttled cpu dpc latency hell.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 12, 2021 21:24:25 GMT -6
Dan, my symphony mkii worked perfectly on my Mac: one of the best interfaces I had. Why do you say the drivers are bad ? Apogee USB. So Duets, Quartets, Symphony Desktop, etc. Not the Mac only thunderbolt line. If Apogee just made converters and pres again, they would be even more successful. RME, UAD, MOTU have stolen a lot of their market even though the sound isn’t as good because the software is better and you can’t get the Apogee quality sound (ive never heard a 1200-1500 dollar stereo DA and AD sound this good or a 600 dollar thing as good as the discontinued Element 24) without putting up with not as good software. Prism has the same problem as Apogee: great sound, middling software. Lynx, is really good though about sound and software. The Apogee USB hardware is better on Windows than on Mac now ime. The Symphony Desktop and Duet 3 are a big step in the right direction. Motu is great on Mac, wtf on Windows. That’s why you monitor off the interface dsp mixer and not the daw for UAD, Apogee, Metric Halo etc. not everyone is RME or Lynx. But Monterey even threw RME off. Firewire wasn't great too. I haven't tried the thunderbolt line, I bailed on Apogee before symphony mkii. The symphony desktop really appeals to me, I just can't get passed my previous experience with the firewire and usb range. Love the sound though. Yes, dsp or hardware monitoring is always the preference (even with my RME interface). What was wrong with Monterey drivers?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2021 9:14:28 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 15, 2021 8:48:51 GMT -6
Today I investigated the slow external drive speed. Apple must be kidding. I bought USB3 SSD-bays USB3 cables.
But I don't get USB3 data rates... its way below it. I need to buy another 200$ HUB. This is not logical at all and extremly frustrating.
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Post by wiz on Dec 15, 2021 20:00:19 GMT -6
Today I investigated the slow external drive speed. Apple must be kidding. I bought USB3 SSD-bays USB3 cables. But I don't get USB3 data rates... its way below it. I need to buy another 200$ HUB. This is not logical at all and extremly frustrating. What speed are you getting?
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Post by enlav on Dec 16, 2021 21:28:53 GMT -6
Just to confirm - I picked up a Mac mini during.. "cyber week" that was marked BTO. As others reported it would - it came with Big Sur installed in case anyone was concerned that would be an issue.
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Post by enlav on Dec 17, 2021 20:31:53 GMT -6
Hey all, so having been off of MacOS for nearly 10 years, is there any guide to what should be removed from Big Sur/Monterey when starting off? Or other things to change in settings to optimize things? Seems easy enough to find these guides for windows, but I'm having a little more trouble finding these for recent macs.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 17, 2021 20:51:09 GMT -6
Hey all, so having been off of MacOS for nearly 10 years, is there any guide to what should be removed from Big Sur/Monterey when starting off? Or other things to change in settings to optimize things? Seems easy enough to find these guides for windows, but I'm having a little more trouble finding these for recent macs. I don't worry about it for Mac OS like I did when I was on Windows. The main thing I adjust in system preferences is how long it takes for the computer to go to sleep or into screen saver. Everyone's need there will be different, but you can have instances when that's not desirable. I also tend to close anything that's doing a lot of behind the scenes push/pull internet traffic, like having Drop Box or Google Drive running in the top bar tray. Those can jolt your memory resources at times. I just open those apps when I know I need to sync to the cloud. Just writing all of this out I am reminded that this was Macs with Intel systems. I don't know if it matters for M1 systems, as they seem to handle resources differently.
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Post by ericn on Dec 17, 2021 22:36:00 GMT -6
Hey all, so having been off of MacOS for nearly 10 years, is there any guide to what should be removed from Big Sur/Monterey when starting off? Or other things to change in settings to optimize things? Seems easy enough to find these guides for windows, but I'm having a little more trouble finding these for recent macs. I don't worry about it for Mac OS like I did when I was on Windows. The main thing I adjust in system preferences is how long it takes for the computer to go to sleep or into screen saver. Everyone's need there will be different, but you can have instances when that's not desirable. I also tend to close anything that's doing a lot of behind the scenes push/pull internet traffic, like having Drop Box or Google Drive running in the top bar tray. Those can jolt your memory resources at times. I just open those apps when I know I need to sync to the cloud. Just writing all of this out I am reminded that this was Macs with Intel systems. I don't know if it matters for M1 systems, as they seem to handle resources differently. Yeah I think you nailed it on we are still in the early days of Apple chips and need to relearn what we need to turn off again.
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 17, 2021 22:38:53 GMT -6
Not sure about what to turn off. Auto updates for one. But it certainly isn't like Windows where it takes me a day to remove and disable stuff.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 18, 2021 4:29:01 GMT -6
Yes, auto updates, if your internet is hard wired, you can turn off wi-fi.
I only open apps when I use them, but you can check your system’s resources, from time to time, just to see what’s running.
When you are done your session work, put it into sleep mode rather than shut down, as the max cleans out it’s file artifacts and dies house keeping in sleep mode, but with very low power consumption
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 20, 2021 13:09:47 GMT -6
Not sure if this is relevant to this thread, but- I have a MOTU 16A that was incredibly stable on my old Mini... With the new M1, it will randomly stop working out of nowhere. If I unplug the thunderbolt and plug it back in, it starts working again. The new M1s seem to have an inherent issue with the thunderbolt port not playing nice with almost ANYTHING. Its really disappointing. Apparently many are discovering this issue with different peripherals, and the fix is using the USB port, or oddly using a thunderbolt multi port dongle. Maybe instead of cranking out an M2 computer they should get the M1s basic functions to work? Like building a Ferrari but the gas cap has to be opened with a screwdriver. Ugh.
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Post by veggieryan on Dec 20, 2021 13:21:17 GMT -6
Never had a problem with my Apollo x6 on thunderbolt my M1 Macs since day 1. Not even a single pop or click. Hot plugging and wake from sleep has been flawless as well. I had some Motu AVB interfaces for a while. Motu always felt like they were a bit "second rate" with their products to me at least on the driver/software side of things.
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Post by enlav on Dec 20, 2021 13:45:51 GMT -6
Earlier, Dan was mentioning that even RME's USB drivers were taking a dump on M1 Monterey, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's an issue with the Motu and M1 platform (possibly in combination to the OS jacob's M1 is on) so just because a Motu interface is having issues on the M1 platform (or possibly a combination of M1 and a specific OS), I wouldn't necessarily consider that to be a sign or evidence of the software being second-rate. *Especially when so many people vouch for Motu performance on Mac in the best.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 20, 2021 14:56:40 GMT -6
Today I investigated the slow external drive speed. Apple must be kidding. I bought USB3 SSD-bays USB3 cables. But I don't get USB3 data rates... its way below it. I need to buy another 200$ HUB. This is not logical at all and extremly frustrating. What speed are you getting?
I was getting 25 MBit/Sec. Than Apple Tech told me to unplug all other usb devices and to replug the SSDs Since then its 340 MBit/Sec.
In the Apple forum its clear they have a big compatibilty problem. Some useres do not get the full T Bolt Power. I hope they solve this problem asap.
I am so far happy that after a month of setting up everything runs so far. There are a few odd Logic X beahviours. Some songs stutter at 1024 Buffer Size but they dont stutter at 512 Buffer Size which is not logical at all.
Are you still on Big Sur or on Monterey?
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 20, 2021 15:02:41 GMT -6
Never had a problem with my Apollo x6 on thunderbolt my M1 Macs since day 1. Not even a single pop or click. Hot plugging and wake from sleep has been flawless as well. I had some Motu AVB interfaces for a while. Motu always felt like they were a bit "second rate" with their products to me at least on the driver/software side of things. To each their own. I have had the opposite experience with MOTU the last 7 years. Love it.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 20, 2021 16:34:06 GMT -6
So far no issues with my TB ports that I'm aware of. I've had two different UAD interfaces and an external drive plugged in.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 20, 2021 17:47:30 GMT -6
So far no issues with my TB ports that I'm aware of. I've had two different UAD interfaces and an external drive plugged in. Measure the speed many users say they can’t get the maximum speed. Same is true for the USB A ports I can’t get them to work at thier maximum speed. To me it’s clear, many unseres report this it must be a HW design flaw...
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Post by ml on Dec 20, 2021 18:14:39 GMT -6
Not sure if this is relevant to this thread, but- I have a MOTU 16A that was incredibly stable on my old Mini... With the new M1, it will randomly stop working out of nowhere. If I unplug the thunderbolt and plug it back in, it starts working again. The new M1s seem to have an inherent issue with the thunderbolt port not playing nice with almost ANYTHING. Its really disappointing. Apparently many are discovering this issue with different peripherals, and the fix is using the USB port, or oddly using a thunderbolt multi port dongle. Maybe instead of cranking out an M2 computer they should get the M1s basic functions to work? Like building a Ferrari but the gas cap has to be opened with a screwdriver. Ugh. I’m running a motu 8A with the M1 mini, it’s pretty stable. As stable as it was on my old MBP setup. I do sometimes have to restart the motu if the computer goes to sleep. I’m using an apple thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter and have it directly connected to one of the TB3 ports. I’m also running Monterrey which supposedly fixes some of the M1 connectivity problems. Maybe check your cables too, I had a dodgy usb cable that didn’t play well with my motu.
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Post by wiz on Dec 20, 2021 18:42:14 GMT -6
What speed are you getting?
I was getting 25 MBit/Sec. Than Apple Tech told me to unplug all other usb devices and to replug the SSDs Since then its 340 MBit/Sec.
In the Apple forum its clear they have a big compatibilty problem. Some useres do not get the full T Bolt Power. I hope they solve this problem asap.
I am so far happy that after a month of setting up everything runs so far. There are a few odd Logic X beahviours. Some songs stutter at 1024 Buffer Size but they dont stutter at 512 Buffer Size which is not logical at all.
Are you still on Big Sur or on Monterey?
Big Sur
had no pronblems with drive speed or logic
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2021 2:44:43 GMT -6
Am on big sur here too not aware of any problems: one sessions triggers a system overload warning when it starts but did that on my mbp with Catalina too.
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Post by mike on Dec 21, 2021 10:18:16 GMT -6
I plan to order a M1 Pro Macbook next month to replace my 2012 Macbook pro I7 I have used for 10 years.....and 1 question runs through my mind of, while I understand that the way M1 Ram and drives share data requires less Ram overall compared to the old ways/days so I wouldn't need more than 16gb now,..... I wonder in the context of the long term future if I plan to use the new laptop for 10 years also,... will I be sorry if I didn't upgrade 16gb of Ram to 32 now because 5-8 years from now sample libraries will advance to 2-3 times the size that Ram has to handle with the drive. Thoughts?
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Post by sirthought on Dec 21, 2021 10:34:17 GMT -6
Most sample libraries and virtual instruments can already do up to 96khz. I doubt we'll need higher resolution. The size of a collection might grow, but I don't know how it might tax resources more, unless it involves graphics.
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