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Post by sirthought on Sept 21, 2021 22:28:36 GMT -6
I'm guessing we'll be hearing about the new chip in a week or so. Looking forward to seeing what they're putting out after the success of the M1 chip.
I saw that Amazon dropped the price on the lowest models of the M1 Mini and M1 Air. You don't see the discount until you've completed the purchase (wacky, yes, but on the sales page there is a discount notice in green text). Cheapest price on a M1 Mini yet, although the drive and RAM are the smallest available.
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 23, 2021 21:38:14 GMT -6
Did you get any info on when they’re supposed to get released? I can’t find much info on whether it’s soon or next year
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 23, 2021 22:37:26 GMT -6
I'll believe it when I see it. Everyone thought in June they would be releasing the M1x in the Macpro's and maybe even talk about a more pro grade iMac. But nothing. So I'm not getting my hopes up. Leaks are..well leaks. Not truth. Chip shortages are still a thing.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 25, 2021 21:10:45 GMT -6
I'll believe it when I see it. Everyone thought in June they would be releasing the M1x in the Macpro's and maybe even talk about a more pro grade iMac. But nothing. So I'm not getting my hopes up. Leaks are..well leaks. Not truth. Chip shortages are still a thing. Exactly. Unfortunately the Apple paradigm has created these Mac fan boys on YT who create content just based on projections and guesses and they present it with all of these "specs" etc. Then the summer event came and went and there was no mention of M1x minis/mac pros. They are talking about announcements in October. Could be nothing again. Who knows. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by ericn on Sept 25, 2021 22:11:20 GMT -6
I'll believe it when I see it. Everyone thought in June they would be releasing the M1x in the Macpro's and maybe even talk about a more pro grade iMac. But nothing. So I'm not getting my hopes up. Leaks are..well leaks. Not truth. Chip shortages are still a thing. Exactly. Unfortunately the Apple paradigm has created these Mac fan boys on YT who create content just based on projections and guesses and they present it with all of these "specs" etc. Then the summer event came and went and there was no mention of M1x minis/mac pros. They are talking about announcements in October. Could be nothing again. Who knows. I'll believe it when I see it. Apple internet hype equals real world dissipointment because some 12 year olds wet dream gained traction.
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Post by sirthought on Sept 25, 2021 23:07:31 GMT -6
I think it will be October, once they've had a couple of weeks to allow for all the hype on the new iPhones and iPads. They didn't want to announce too much at once.
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 25, 2021 23:21:38 GMT -6
I'll believe it when I see it. Everyone thought in June they would be releasing the M1x in the Macpro's and maybe even talk about a more pro grade iMac. But nothing. So I'm not getting my hopes up. Leaks are..well leaks. Not truth. Chip shortages are still a thing. Exactly. Unfortunately the Apple paradigm has created these Mac fan boys on YT who create content just based on projections and guesses and they present it with all of these "specs" etc. Then the summer event came and went and there was no mention of M1x minis/mac pros. They are talking about announcements in October. Could be nothing again. Who knows. I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah those channels are bizarre. Never did I think there’d be a whole pool of people making careers off of speculating tech product releases based on leaked information. Tech YouTube channels bother me I don’t know why. A guy getting millions of views to talk about computer specs just shows the unfortunate nature of how YouTube breeds interest in the wrong places. So much great music and art given the cold shoulder to this kind of stuff view-wise. Youtube money has given way to a plethora of weirdness, anyway - rant over.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2021 5:32:35 GMT -6
The yt channels are somewhat informative but really mostly opinion pieces and speculation to draw traffic and subscribers: largely a waste of time.
Apple’s chips may be designed in house but still need to be manufactured, in the current challenged supply chain.
Deals on m1 minis are interesting but think recording should get the 16 g ram, disc size dependent on what else you have or acquire.
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Post by mike on Sept 26, 2021 6:37:37 GMT -6
Based on history, how long on average before the interface, DAW and Plugin manufacturers are compatible with a new chip after it's released roughly?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2021 8:48:52 GMT -6
M1 is taking longer than usual, but most people just run rosetta2, to get around that.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 26, 2021 8:51:50 GMT -6
Based on history, how long on average before the interface, DAW and Plugin manufacturers are compatible with a new chip after it's released roughly? I'm trying to think of the last time in digital recording history that a CPU chips architecture changed this drastically.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 26, 2021 8:53:13 GMT -6
M1 is taking longer than usual, but most people just run rosetta2, to get around that. Reaper has an ARM beta version and can bridge x86 plugins within.
I ran Logic natively on some sessions lately and it's nice and fast. Rosetta will work but native is sweet.
AU plugins work within that just fine.
Studio One as well.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2021 10:58:53 GMT -6
Logic doesn’t need rosetta, it is already optimized for m1. It’s all the third party plug ins/ software that might need rosetta2 (ie, Intel mode).
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 26, 2021 13:13:30 GMT -6
Logic doesn’t need rosetta, it is already optimized for m1. It’s all the third party plug ins/ software that might need rosetta2 (ie, Intel mode).
I understand this, right?
With Rosetta Logic can run all non optimized AUs including virtual instruments on the M1?
I ask because I am about to pull the trigger, I read and saw enough - it's the future for home studios.
Alone, the fact that it barely soaks electrical power is just WOW.
One thing I don't get my head around, normal SSDs are now the new bottleneck because the new SSDs are faster, and the M1 can address the bus power. Does it hurt to use the old SSDs in first and to upgrade slowly, because the new SSDs are expensive... WoW.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 26, 2021 13:22:37 GMT -6
Logic doesn’t need rosetta, it is already optimized for m1. It’s all the third party plug ins/ software that might need rosetta2 (ie, Intel mode). Right. Reaper is the only DAW so far I know that can bridge x86 mode within apple native host process.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 26, 2021 13:23:36 GMT -6
Logic doesn’t need rosetta, it is already optimized for m1. It’s all the third party plug ins/ software that might need rosetta2 (ie, Intel mode).
I understand this, right?
With Rosetta Logic can run all non optimized AUs including virtual instruments on the M1?
I ask because I am about to pull the trigger, I read and saw enough - it's the future for home studios.
Alone, the fact that it barely soaks electrical power is just WOW.
One thing I don't get my head around, normal SSDs are now the new bottleneck because the new SSDs are faster, and the M1 can address the bus power. Does it hurt to use the old SSDs in first and to upgrade slowly, because the new SSDs are expensive... WoW.
Actually been running bunches of my AUs of all kinds in native Logic or Studio One just fine. Works really well.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2021 13:44:30 GMT -6
mrholmes. I can’t say 100%, but basically rosetta2 runs Intel approved software within Big Sur. This skin or conversion does on paper slow down the processing of the m1 chip but it seems a non issue. The upside is that as plug ins are m1 certified, the processing speed will increase.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 26, 2021 13:59:46 GMT -6
Cool. Do you guys use the 16 GB Version or the 8 GB and if yes is there any significant performance difference in Audio
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Post by subspace on Sept 26, 2021 14:22:17 GMT -6
Based on history, how long on average before the interface, DAW and Plugin manufacturers are compatible with a new chip after it's released roughly? I'm trying to think of the last time in digital recording history that a CPU chips architecture changed this drastically. Apple has run it’s own architecture chips the majority of it’s history, only made the detour down Intel lane 2006 - 2021, which may have been an easier transition since there was already a major OS using that architecture.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2021 14:22:46 GMT -6
Depends on your memory load, but as you can’t retrofit, I’d recommend the 16 so you have the max or waiting till m1x is released as there are supposed to be “pro” models with higher specs ( but will cost more).
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 26, 2021 14:38:38 GMT -6
Depends on your memory load, but as you can’t retrofit, I’d recommend the 16 so you have the max or waiting till m1x is released as there are supposed to be “pro” models with higher specs ( but will cost more).
Just did a short research on the new LogicX benchmark.
The 8 GB version can handle 108 tracks at 128 samples buffer size.
I did not use my 12 core to compare, but my old 8 core mac pro 2 x 2,66 at 1024 samples buffer size.
The old quad-core creeps out at 28 tracks.
That means I can fly with the M1 8 GB version, INSANE....
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Post by sirthought on Sept 27, 2021 11:28:00 GMT -6
Back when the M1 minis first came out, I saw a video of a video guy testing 8 GB vs 16 GB for rendering, editing, etc. He said there was a performance bump at the most taxing moments, but not as significant a bump as you might expect. He thought the 8 GB performance was quite impressive.
This was mostly in Final Cut, but he also tried Premier and Black Magic.
I'd still feel better about having the higher RAM.
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 27, 2021 11:30:39 GMT -6
Ram will depend greatly on how many virtual instruments you use. 8gb can go fast.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 27, 2021 13:01:18 GMT -6
Prior to the early 2000s, Apple trounced Intel with its real-time operating system (prior to system X) combined with IBM's Power PC RISC architecture. I'll never forget the look on an Intel VP's face when we demonstrated this fact at a Stanford MUSIG meeting. A few years later, Intel came back and trounced Apple. Apple was literally looking at losing Avid and Adobe, among other developers, along with most of their celebrity users who had played a big role in Apple's image. They had no choice but to cut a deal with Intel. They also acquired what became Final Cut and Logic.
I suspect this move to new CPUs has been in the works for many years. The performance just needed to be capable of motivating developers to stay on board.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 27, 2021 15:28:58 GMT -6
Prior to the early 2000s, Apple trounced Intel with its real-time operating system (prior to system X) combined with IBM's Power PC RISC architecture. I'll never forget the look on an Intel VP's face when we demonstrated this fact at a Stanford MUSIG meeting. A few years later, Intel came back and trounced Apple. Apple was literally looking at losing Avid and Adobe, among other developers, along with most of their celebrity users who had played a big role in Apple's image. They had no choice but to cut a deal with Intel. They also acquired what became Final Cut and Logic. I suspect this move to new CPUs has been in the works for many years. The performance just needed to be capable of motivating developers to stay on board. You are right I had forgotten that Logic was made by Emagic a German company. Apple bought this company in 2000...
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