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Post by warren on May 3, 2014 10:23:11 GMT -6
Does hype on gear dissuade you? When reading about particular gear over at "the other forum", things get so hyped that it makes me not want it regardless of how good the product is sometimes. Example: When I first heard the Nail, I liked it, then I kept reading fanboys bring it up on other non Nail threads over and over and over again. It put me off about getting it. Ended up getting it anyways hopefully not just because of the hype haha. I'm sure there's probably other products that's hyped even more but that's just an example off the top of my head.
The worst is when something is so hyped, then I listen to it and think wow, you guys think this is great??? I'm no expert by any means and have fallen into hype myself. But c'mon, sometimes it's just so obvious. And then when someone speaks up, it's like you told people that their kid is ugly or something, WTF?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on May 3, 2014 10:44:28 GMT -6
Happens all the time. I ignore it anymore. I only take advise from a few very trusted individuals (mostly on this forum now).
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2014 10:55:01 GMT -6
As in life, it's usually somewhere in between. I mixed a batch of recordings for a well known rock artist that was recorded with a Quartet and a Octopre...Sounded killer. I think I've said this before - but I would rather have an mbox, SM57 and Marvin Gaye than a Prism, Sta-Level and the latest American Idol.
Although, the Sta-Level is as close to a "makes everything sound better" box as I've heard...
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Post by warren on May 3, 2014 11:08:33 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess. To be honest, some things should have hype/buzz behind it to create interest or else we probably wouldn't know about it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 3, 2014 11:37:37 GMT -6
There are some guys over there that just spout the same stuff on every thread.
BAE/Avedis is recommended by one specific guy in almost every thread. If that guy isn't getting paid to do it, he should be. I think their products look great, then I realize that half the posts praising them are from one guy.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2014 12:11:31 GMT -6
I just want this board to be a place where you can get honest answers...without the moderators deleting threads because they manufacture a competing product. Or a Gear Pimp pushes a certain product he carries and dogs one he doesn't.
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Post by warren on May 3, 2014 12:11:45 GMT -6
A-Designs/Pete stuff too seems to get pushed a lot by particular individuals.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2014 12:23:19 GMT -6
I think all competent mic pres are absolutely fine for almost everything...People (including myself) obsess about them.
Sometimes, I think about just selling all my shit and buying an Apollo Twin/Duo/Quad...and forcing myself to make the best music I can with those parameters.
Be nice to have $10K
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2014 12:24:03 GMT -6
Wait...I run a Pro Audio board...
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Post by warren on May 3, 2014 12:32:32 GMT -6
I just want this board to be a place where you can get honest answers...without the moderators deleting threads because they manufacture a competing product. Or a Gear Pimp pushes a certain product he carries and dogs one he doesn't. Tell me about it. Wonder if the Ricky Bobby approach will work on the other board, just put "With all do respect" at the beginning of any negative opinion, hopefully then it'll be okay and they don't delete anything  |
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Post by warren on May 3, 2014 12:33:58 GMT -6
I think all competent mic pres are absolutely fine for almost everything...People (including myself) obsess about them. Sometimes, I think about just selling all my shit and buying an Apollo Twin/Duo/Quad...and forcing myself to make the best music I can with those parameters. Be nice to have $10K Haha was just thinking similar, though I already have an apollo so just selling |
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Post by RicFoxx on May 3, 2014 12:35:28 GMT -6
Don't forget the acoustical treatment guys...non stop!
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Post by warren on May 3, 2014 12:37:04 GMT -6
Don't forget the acoustical treatment guys...non stop! I've got a bunch that I still haven't installed yet :/ Too busy reading about new hyped gear |
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Post by svart on May 3, 2014 21:01:36 GMT -6
In the early days of my recording, I'll admit that I was enamored with a lot of hype on gear, especially if two conditions were met: those that seemed to have more experience than me liked the gear; The gear promised cheap alternatives to expensive gear, I.E., the standard marketing for all audio gear. I really wanted something for nothing, just like the next guy. "Sounds just like a U87 but for only 200$!!!".. Yeah, no it didn't sound anything like a U87 for only 200$.. Anybody remember that mic?  I totally bought into that stuff for years and years. I also have to pose another viewpoint here.. While an Mbox and a 57 with Marvin Gaye is perfectly usable, why would you subject Marvin Gaye to settling for lesser gear when he could go to another studio and do the same songs with much better gear. See what I'm saying? It's fine to say but makes no sense when you have to compete with those around you that have better gear. So that's why I stopped going after marketing hype and started buying stuff that had an actual credit to it's name. It costs a lot more than the cheaper hyped gear but I've found that the old standards really and truly are the best option, at least for me(and apparently also for most of the big-names in the recording industry..). |
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Post by warren on May 3, 2014 21:45:51 GMT -6
Yeah I went through similar as well, luckily it was short lived. When you're new you don't really trust your own ears. You think those guys must have better hearing so I better take into consideration what they say. Then comes a point where you just go, wtf are you guys hearing? And my 9-5 was marketing so luckily the whole cheap alternative to expensive gear didn't leave as much of a mark on me nor my wallet. But I know what you mean, when you're new and see the price tag on some pieces of gear. One can't help but wonder, there's gotta be a cheaper solution As for those standards, those are the type of gear I don't mind spending on to evaluation. Because if it's really not for me, it's very easy to sell and recoup your money later. |
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Post by sceneofdarhyme on May 4, 2014 3:06:51 GMT -6
There are some guys over there that just spout the same stuff on every thread. BAE/Avedis is recommended by one specific guy in almost every thread. If that guy isn't getting paid to do it, he should be. I think their products look great, then I realize that half the posts praising them are from one guy. I hear you, but it seems there a bunch of people raving about the E27. Is it really that good, considering to get one. |
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Post by unit7 on May 4, 2014 3:32:44 GMT -6
I completely bought the hype of the Avalon 737 15yrs ago. Back then I believe the hype for anything tube or vintage'ish was pretty new. Nothing wrong w the 737 and I still have them, they're just neither tubish nor vintage'ish sounding. But after realizing that I had been blinded by the hype I became much more suspicious. Couldn't resist the SHMC though. Though great, that's yet another piece that doesn't sound as super vibey as it is looking, imo of course :-)
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2014 8:02:22 GMT -6
.. Yeah, no it didn't sound anything like a U87 for only 200$.. Anybody remember that mic? on the undercover cop! Although, I still use their little VTB 1 occasionally. |
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Post by henge on May 4, 2014 8:37:43 GMT -6
Tbh the ONLY opinions I listen to are from this forum. If something is recommended here then I know it's worth checking out.
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Post by svart on May 4, 2014 8:45:58 GMT -6
.. Yeah, no it didn't sound anything like a U87 for only 200$.. Anybody remember that mic? on the undercover cop! Although, I still use their little VTB 1 occasionally. Yeah, 797 made the SP C1, the first of the Chinese mic wave. Usable mic but nothing like it was marketed as. I ran out and bought one. I sold it a couple years later and only lost 100$ on it. I also had a pair of B1 too. Gave those away because i couldn't seem to find a buyer. |
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Post by warren on May 4, 2014 9:17:41 GMT -6
I hate it also when you see a great deal on them. You know, "no brainers", then you end up just buying it to see maybe there is something there. Next thing you know you've fallen into the hype. Doh! Haha
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2014 9:35:59 GMT -6
797 on the undercover cop! Although, I still use their little VTB 1 occasionally. Yeah, 797 made the SP C1, the first of the Chinese mic wave. Usable mic but nothing like it was marketed as. I ran out and bought one. I sold it a couple years later and only lost 100$ on it. I also had a pair of B1 too. Gave those away because i couldn't seem to find a buyer. Yeah - they marketed it as sounding exactly like a U87...and man...it sounded NOTHING like an 87...curve was totally opposite. I had one too... |
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Post by nico on May 4, 2014 17:50:15 GMT -6
Hype regarding audiogear to me is a vicious phenomenon that plays with your mind and stands in the way of what you are looking for, obscurs your objectivity even can confuse you. Everytime I see a manufacturer/dealer pushing gear too much it is a turnoff. Gotta hand it to some : some are masters in appearing friendly, helpful. Then everybody who's making stuff needs to sell it, be it to make a living or to satisfy numbers guys....otoh the non hype guys - yes they exist - seem to get more of my attention as to me it feels more right for lack of a better description. Most often the non hype guys are really into it for the love of it, which I think most passionate people can relate more to than bigger companies pushing a product. But if said company makes a killer product, I could be less defensive towards gearpushers. In the end it always helped me being thorough in evaluating/testing fresh gear, just to see for myself what is real, what is hype. I was about to finish my post praising a geardealer that is not about hype at all, but then I might contribute to some underdog-hype, right ? regards, Nico |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2014 19:34:10 GMT -6
It's the proverbial tortoise and the hare...
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Post by levon on May 4, 2014 23:45:29 GMT -6
I used to fall for hype too. Back when I was green and more experienced people raved about some gear. I thought that they would know what they talked about and, tbh, a lot of them did. But the uninformed parrots and gear pushers have taken over. So, now, it does put me off. Some weeks ago, a gear-pimping mod on the other site pushed his latest product in a thread he started. Others chimed in and praised the cheap China-built stuff to no end. Funny enough, all those hypers were mods too. That certainly made me to never ever want to buy anything from said mod.
It's the same for me in other fields too. When I see a particular stupid and/or pushy ad on TV, it puts me off so much that I avoid that product or shop like the plague.
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