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Post by mcirish on Jul 18, 2021 19:33:58 GMT -6
Today, I recorded four different SDC mics. My plan is to post the files for everyone to hear. These are some of the particulars: 1) I strapped all the mics together with the capsules lined up 2) I recorded acoustic guitar, mandolin, mandola, Irish bouzouki, 6 string banjo and piano 3) All mics were recorded at the same time. I didn't want different performances to affect it 4) The mics were 12" from each instrument except the piano 5) I recorded the piano with three different setups. Straight on / 90 deg one way / 90 deg the other way I wanted to see how each did with being off axis 6) I literally spent no time preparing what I would play - so the performance is not stellar. This is all one take. 7) All mics were recorded using a Daking Mic Pre IV into a Lynx Aurora into Nuendo 8) No processing other than matching LUFS. I did this only once and applied the gain settings to each of the tracks. It's fairly close. 9) I have 24 audio files in 44.1K/24 Bit
Questions: 1) Should I keep which mics they are a secret? 2) If secret and I go with A,B,C,D; should I keep them the same throughout? So Mic A is Mic A on every recording. 2) How long should each audio file be? I just noodled so it rambles... 30 sec? 3) Host on google drive OK? Or I can put a zip of the whole thing on one of my web sites
I want this to be informative. None of these mics are duds or known "crap". I found a few things very surprising but want everyone to draw their own conclusion. If you have any other requests (other than re-recording) I'm open.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 18, 2021 19:45:36 GMT -6
If you keep them a secret (A, B, C, D), I would prefer keeping the mics the same for all recordings.
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Post by mcirish on Jul 18, 2021 20:01:33 GMT -6
I think I am in agreement on that. In some ways, I don't even want them to be a secret but maybe its best. How many times have you seen this same thing where everyone is claiming "X" is way better than "Y" until they find out "Y" is way less expensive. Suddenly everyone changes their mind.
Unfortunately, I did not spend any time searching for just the right mic location. In all cases but piano I just set them 12" from the instrument. Lower F holes on the mandolin and mandola. Neck/body joint on guitar and bouzouki. Center on banjo. Center and 90 deg off on piano. The mics on piano were probably 3' from the string. Not a sound I would go for but it shows how the mics sound different.
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Post by bigbone on Jul 18, 2021 20:06:10 GMT -6
No matter the way you do the test. There always someone who bitch about that method.......
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 19, 2021 13:00:06 GMT -6
I think I am in agreement on that. In some ways, I don't even want them to be a secret but maybe its best. How many times have you seen this same thing where everyone is claiming "X" is way better than "Y" until they find out "Y" is way less expensive. Suddenly everyone changes their mind. Fortunately, here on RGO, I haven't seen that happen very much. It happens all the time on the other site.
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Post by ericn on Jul 19, 2021 20:55:28 GMT -6
No matter the way you do the test. There always someone who bitch about that method....... Yeah mics are bitch to come to a consensus on how to shoot them out! Do you use the exact same position or do you move it till you find the best position, can you get 5 guys in the same room at the same time to agree on best position? Do you set them up at once so they all use the same take, is the wall of mics effecting the sound? Just do what you want to, if someone has a real problem with anything invite them to do their own. That said from doing way to many live shoot outs, take the criticism of how you do it learn from it. There is no real perfect way to do this, learning how to do a great shoot out will teach you both the very subtle differences and how to do a very quick useable setup.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 20, 2021 8:18:27 GMT -6
method sounds right, as you said proximity effect differences are a thing and that's too hard to account for really.
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Post by mcirish on Jul 20, 2021 8:47:58 GMT -6
I will work on getting some clips together this week. Nothing special but it does show the differences and similarities in some very well known SDC mics.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 21, 2021 18:52:18 GMT -6
I think I am in agreement on that. In some ways, I don't even want them to be a secret but maybe its best. How many times have you seen this same thing where everyone is claiming "X" is way better than "Y" until they find out "Y" is way less expensive. Suddenly everyone changes their mind. Fortunately, here on RGO, I haven't seen that happen very much. It happens all the time on the other site. I have proved on GS about ten years ago, by posting the exact same file, but claiming that one was on my Telefunken M15A, made people hear differences. It took a while before someone nulled the files. Hearing is not free from psychosomatic experiences. People with anti social disorder can have different illnesses with their changing personalities. Even such as hard hearing. It’s yet not fully researched. There is a mind body connection….. Knowing a hint or brand name will have an influence on your perception….
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2021 9:37:23 GMT -6
Guess which one is Jeff Bezos rocket
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