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Post by theshea on Jun 17, 2021 7:45:57 GMT -6
I really like going DI in on LA610. Using the high shelf eq to bring out some string attack if I want it more aggressive, and some light to moderate compression. Sounds great and it’s supper consistent. exactly what i do! DI into la610, bit of comp. than in the mix i mix in some ampeg amp simulation sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 8:17:25 GMT -6
Re16 can work wonders on a cab. All DIs hit an amp sim and ir. I’m with EmRR and hate how DI bass doesn’t blend cleanly almost all of the time.
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Post by nudwig on Jun 17, 2021 8:17:38 GMT -6
I've been digging Pueblo OLLA - AML EZ1081 pushing a bit of 100, 270, and 15k - UAD SVT, sometimes it's directly into the interface's DI then the sim. If I do fire up the amp it's an SVT 3 Pro with the 2 12" cab, tho I haven't turned it on in quite a while.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 17, 2021 8:48:57 GMT -6
I'm surprised by the number of you that don't track any amp at all. I'll either end up with a blend of DI and Amp or I'll just use Amp. Almost never just DI. It’s situational— at bigger rooms I’m definitely mic’ing up a rig in an iso booth. At the project studio we stick the amp in an adjacent storage room. At home it’s me playing and I’m fine with DI only since it allows me to track whenever.
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Post by sean on Jun 17, 2021 9:02:36 GMT -6
I think in the past decade I’ve recorded an actual bass amp only a handful of times. But I’m not recording any fuzz/distorted/effected bass all that often
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 17, 2021 10:29:33 GMT -6
I'm surprised by the number of you that don't track any amp at all. I'll either end up with a blend of DI and Amp or I'll just use Amp. Almost never just DI. Two reasons. I don’t own a bass cab worth tracking. I haven’t yet had a bass player who wanted to lug his own cab up to my second floor “studio”. Toying with experimenting with my old fender practice amp. But honestly the tubed up input and the bassman sim get me really close to the sound I’d want anyway.
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 17, 2021 13:49:09 GMT -6
I hate to say it but I keep getting better sounds with the IK Multimedia Ampeg series of bass amp plug-ins than the sounds good bass players send me from their fancy high end rigs. I used to use the IK Multimedia Ampeg plugin regularly. But after a bad experience with the company I’ve sworn them off completely. I thought about sharing their laughably bad attempt at “customer service” here on RGO, but this is a largely positive place and thought better of it. Suffice to say if companies like AudioScape and Locomotive are gear “reality” IK Multimedia is the Upside Down.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 17, 2021 14:39:34 GMT -6
I do know what you mean lpedrum!
I heard UAD's Ampeg plug-in last week and it seemed as good as IK's, except with UAD you get one, with IK's I got all the Ampeg bass amps. Sometimes the newest one gets me the EQ I need without resorting to EQ plug-ins.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 17, 2021 15:30:02 GMT -6
I hate to say it but I keep getting better sounds with the IK Multimedia Ampeg series of bass amp plug-ins than the sounds good bass players send me from their fancy high end rigs. I used to use the IK Multimedia Ampeg plugin regularly. But after a bad experience with the company I’ve sworn them off completely. I thought about sharing their laughably bad attempt at “customer service” here on RGO, but this is a largely positive place and thought better of it. Suffice to say if companies like AudioScape and Locomotive are gear “reality” IK Multimedia is the Upside Down. The Plugin-Alliance Ampeg and GK sims are both very good.
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Post by christopher on Jun 17, 2021 17:08:32 GMT -6
For classic rock Ive gone through a little 18watt Marshall style guitar head into a Traynor 6x10 cabinet. Punchy and midrangey, really nice. Use the same thing for guitar. I also split the signal before the amp and get a DI. The DI is more flexible, I just put it across 3 channels on the board, mess with EQ and compressors on each, flip phase, maybe blend in subgroup, also send out to outboard driven hard.. bring that in on a fader, blend it all and record it so I can free up my gear
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 17, 2021 22:56:01 GMT -6
I'm surprised by the number of you that don't track any amp at all. I'll either end up with a blend of DI and Amp or I'll just use Amp. Almost never just DI. Probably the style of music might be the reason. If I'm doing straight rock, an amp would do as the foundation first choice.
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Post by yotonic on Jun 18, 2021 0:01:37 GMT -6
I'm surprised by the number of you that don't track any amp at all. I'll either end up with a blend of DI and Amp or I'll just use Amp. Almost never just DI. I do this too. Usually RE20 - Ampeg B-15N blended with Radial J48 or Teletronix LA2A
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Post by mcirish on Jun 18, 2021 10:21:11 GMT -6
I used to mic up a cabinet and also do a DI. lately, I just do the DI. The bass cabinet didn't add anything I couldn't get with the DI and an amp sim. When I did use the cabinet, I always HPF the cabinet so I don't have two tracks with sub lows phase cancelling.
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Post by 79sg on Jun 18, 2021 10:30:18 GMT -6
Use either a Kemper, Kemper into a distressor, Retro 176 or CL1b also will use DI on Tube Tech MP2A into compressors just listed.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 18, 2021 10:56:23 GMT -6
I'm surprised by the number of you that don't track any amp at all. I'll either end up with a blend of DI and Amp or I'll just use Amp. Almost never just DI. I was that way for years. I just noticed favoring the DI a lot, and just kind of defaulting to a DI and using an amp if requested.
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 18, 2021 11:03:19 GMT -6
If it’s DI it’s into a Zod. Otherwise bass is thru a flip top or an SVT. The amp is mic’d with the Roswell Colares..
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Post by jmoose on Jun 18, 2021 12:44:10 GMT -6
I'm surprised by the number of you that don't track any amp at all. I'll either end up with a blend of DI and Amp or I'll just use Amp. Almost never just DI. I agree its probably situation dependent. If someone's recording in a one room bedroom studio then an amp might be hard to use. Personally not a big fan of DI only. Good old P bass into a DI works for some music and can be the right answer. But as a player? For my bands? Totally not the right sound. The other thing that isn't the right sound is a DI straight off pedals... nobody wants an unfiltered muff. Big muff + octave divider into a DI? Not a pleasing tone. Likewise not really into amp sims... would much rather get the sound I want coming out of the speaker and stick a mic on it. If it has to be DI only we better at least have a Sansamp or similar on hand. Occasionally I'll use an amp sim on a mix project I didn't track and then its the stock Logic plug. Amps though... Even though I have access to things like an SVT & Boogie 400+ and my shop is big enough to track a band those kinds of amps are way too big for my space. Its an open room workshop style... could never get an 8x10 to the point where it opens up and makes sense. Would rattle everything apart. So I use smaller amps. House rig is a humble Harkte 3500 and Bag End 1x15 cab. Mainly two kinds of players... guys who come in and that's good enough and guys who want to bring their own rig. And then they get the "big amp" disclaimer. I love big amps! SVT and 1/2 stacks displacing air. Totally get it. But if that's what the artist needs we'll book a big room... get the loud stuff done there and finish production at my shop.
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Post by jmoose on Jun 18, 2021 12:53:54 GMT -6
Two reasons. I don’t own a bass cab worth tracking. I haven’t yet had a bass player who wanted to lug his own cab up to my second floor “studio”. Toying with experimenting with my old fender practice amp. But honestly the tubed up input and the bassman sim get me really close to the sound I’d want anyway. Proper amp doesn't have to be huge. For recording something like a 50 watt 1x10 or 1x12 combo does great... Fender Rumble, Ampeg, Orange are all really solid and much better then messing around with a small guitar practice amp. Maybe $200-300? They don't have enough volume to hang with a drummer but for practice & isolated recording? Perfect.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 18, 2021 13:45:47 GMT -6
Two reasons. I don’t own a bass cab worth tracking. I haven’t yet had a bass player who wanted to lug his own cab up to my second floor “studio”. Toying with experimenting with my old fender practice amp. But honestly the tubed up input and the bassman sim get me really close to the sound I’d want anyway. Proper amp doesn't have to be huge. For recording something like a 50 watt 1x10 or 1x12 combo does great... Fender Rumble, Ampeg, Orange are all really solid and much better then messing around with a small guitar practice amp. Maybe $200-300? They don't have enough volume to hang with a drummer but for practice & isolated recording? Perfect. I remember getting a fantastic bass recording a few years back going through an AC-30, so agreed that it doesn’t have to be a big, high volume bass monster to sound great.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 18, 2021 14:52:42 GMT -6
Proper amp doesn't have to be huge. For recording something like a 50 watt 1x10 or 1x12 combo does great... Fender Rumble, Ampeg, Orange are all really solid and much better then messing around with a small guitar practice amp. Maybe $200-300? They don't have enough volume to hang with a drummer but for practice & isolated recording? Perfect. I remember getting a fantastic bass recording a few years back going through an AC-30, so agreed that it doesn’t have to be a big, high volume bass monster to sound great. Oh yeah! For me it was a Budda, I was shocked by how cool it sounded with a DI in parallel. At the time I thought it was Class A, but everything I see online says their stuff is AB, so maybe I was misinformed.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 18, 2021 14:53:36 GMT -6
I'm usually running a Mesa D800 (clean) through the 6x10 or a Mesa D180 (grindy) through the 6x10.
6x10 lives in my iso booth, and I've got cables through the wall so the player can use whichever head they choose.
(B25, SVT100, old Kustom 100, 66 Bassman, or whatever they bring in).
The 2 Mesas are the cleanest and dirtiest though.
The idea of running the same chain for both DI and Amp is a cool thought though.
Maybe I'll swing my pair of Weight Tanks over to bass duty and pop the AudioScape V-comp on vocals. At least then I could get the compression in sync.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 18, 2021 14:55:16 GMT -6
Proper amp doesn't have to be huge. For recording something like a 50 watt 1x10 or 1x12 combo does great... Fender Rumble, Ampeg, Orange are all really solid and much better then messing around with a small guitar practice amp. Maybe $200-300? They don't have enough volume to hang with a drummer but for practice & isolated recording? Perfect. I remember getting a fantastic bass recording a few years back going through an AC-30, so agreed that it doesn’t have to be a big, high volume bass monster to sound great. I ran a 78 Jazz through a 66 Bassman into an Avatar 2x12 mic'd with a 57 in an apartment years ago and got just the right tone for the track.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 18, 2021 14:59:50 GMT -6
A Roland JC120 is a damn fine bass amp for recording.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 18, 2021 16:04:42 GMT -6
A Roland JC120 is a damn fine bass amp for recording. It’s the only thing they’re good at! 😂
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Post by jmoose on Jun 18, 2021 20:18:17 GMT -6
Never plugged bass into a JC120 but I have used them for moogs & whatnot so I could see that.
Used to own a proper AC30... British, blues... would never think to put bass through it. Even with guitar & pedals there were times I feared for the speakers. Really surprised I never melted a voice coil.
And I do like the JC for guitar, they have their place for sure.
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