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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 18, 2021 20:22:32 GMT -6
Two reasons. I don’t own a bass cab worth tracking. I haven’t yet had a bass player who wanted to lug his own cab up to my second floor “studio”. Toying with experimenting with my old fender practice amp. But honestly the tubed up input and the bassman sim get me really close to the sound I’d want anyway. Proper amp doesn't have to be huge. For recording something like a 50 watt 1x10 or 1x12 combo does great... Fender Rumble, Ampeg, Orange are all really solid and much better then messing around with a small guitar practice amp. Maybe $200-300? They don't have enough volume to hang with a drummer but for practice & isolated recording? Perfect. Fwiw the practice amp in question is a bass amp. So old I don’t even remember the model. I bought it like 20 years ago for what surely must not been a lot of money given my financial status at the time! But… I am tracking a lot of bass myself. Worth thinking about options. |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 19, 2021 13:36:12 GMT -6
I have an old Dano shorthorn with flats on it and it sounds way cool thru a super reverb.
And also have used an Ampeg Gemini I not too loud and it sounded big.
Conversely try a tele thru an SVT and it sounds like 72 era stones.
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Post by jmoose on Jun 19, 2021 18:10:07 GMT -6
Fwiw the practice amp in question is a bass amp. So old I don’t even remember the model. I bought it like 20 years ago for what surely must not been a lot of money given my financial status at the time! But… I am tracking a lot of bass myself. Worth thinking about options. Maybe a preamp type pedal? That could potentially open up a big world. I was looking at and wanted to try a few things... mostly for gigging before world events kind of ended the band I was in. Slightly different topic but one of the problems I had gigging was dealing with backline du jour. Think in the last half dozen shows we played I only got to use my own rig once. Amps were always random. Could be an SVT. Could be a way underpowered combo or anything inbetween. Obviously Sansamp stuff is tried & true. The Darkglass gear seems to be really popular, I was interested in the vintage tubes... some of the others seemed geared towards drop tuned chugga chugga metal which isn't my bag. One box that caught & still has my interest is the JHS pulp & peel compressor which has a DI built right in! Was going to roll the dice on it since there are like, literally no bass demos out there. www.jhspedals.info/pulp-n-peel-v4Catalinbread SFT is a different take on Ampeg in a box. Buddy has an older one, its rad. |
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Post by jmoose on Jun 19, 2021 18:23:11 GMT -6
I have an old Dano shorthorn with flats on it and it sounds way cool thru a super reverb. And also have used an Ampeg Gemini I not too loud and it sounded big. Conversely try a tele thru an SVT and it sounds like 72 era stones. The Keith Ampeg is the V22 combo. Friend of mine bought one years ago... First thing I did was grab one of his tele's put it in open G turn it all the way up and play Stones riffs. His bass player was like "that sounds amazing! But its soooo loud!!" Yes... indeed it is. Great amp. And what's in front of it? U67 and a C37A? Its the sound of those albums.  |
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Post by EmRR on Jun 19, 2021 20:43:53 GMT -6
I have an old Dano shorthorn with flats on it and it sounds way cool thru a super reverb. I started out gigging as a bassist with a Super-Reverb. Kinda silly, but it worked. Never blew those speakers. |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 20, 2021 1:06:41 GMT -6
The Keith Ampeg is the V22 combo. Friend of mine bought one years ago... First thing I did was grab one of his tele's put it in open G turn it all the way up and play Stones riffs. His bass player was like "that sounds amazing! But its soooo loud!!" Yes... indeed it is. Great amp. And what's in front of it? U67 and a C37A? Its the sound of those albums. Not to get off topic but The 69 Stones tour they are playing thru SVTs.
get yer yeah yeahs out
72 tour might’ve been V9s.
which is the same thing but with reverb.
they definitely used V22s and V4s in the studio.
also, another fun fact Elliott Randall ‘reeling in the years’ solo was
played thru an SVT.
I have an Old SVT V4 and flip top.
they all work great on gtr and bass.
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Post by damoongo on Jun 20, 2021 11:14:52 GMT -6
I have an old Dano shorthorn with flats on it and it sounds way cool thru a super reverb. And also have used an Ampeg Gemini I not too loud and it sounded big. Conversely try a tele thru an SVT and it sounds like 72 era stones. Yes... indeed it is. Great amp. And what's in front of it? U67 and a C37A? Its the sound of those albums. I think that's c37a and a u87 (looks like xlr not tuchel connector. And the threaded stand mount is for the 87. 67's either had stand mounts incorporating the tuchel connector, or shouckmount.) I also like the distance and height of the placement. |
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Post by RealNoob on Jun 22, 2021 9:47:55 GMT -6
I run through a Neve DI and then once in, use an ampeg emu for grit.
I did see a cool video this week about bass for the beatles where the amp was in a lively room and an LDC was put out front, about 8-feet out. Has my attention. I want to try.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 22, 2021 9:50:29 GMT -6
I run through a Neve DI and then once in, use an ampeg emu for grit. I did see a cool video this week about bass for the beatles where the amp was in a lively room and an LDC was put out front, about 8-feet out. Has my attention. I want to try. In that video, they left out probably the most important part about the tone (flat wounds). |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 22, 2021 20:06:17 GMT -6
I run through a Neve DI and then once in, use an ampeg emu for grit. I did see a cool video this week about bass for the beatles where the amp was in a lively room and an LDC was put out front, about 8-feet out. Has my attention. I want to try. In that video, they left out probably the most important part about the tone (flat wounds). The second most important part.  |
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Post by locrain on Jun 23, 2021 13:06:24 GMT -6
A guitar into ezBass, convert guitar to bass midi, set it on "picked DI" into darkglass and start editing. When my hybrid setup is complete, I will run it back out into whichever comp I like best. Wish I was a good enough bass player to get close to what I can doing it this way, but I'm not there. Don't hate me.  |
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Post by forgotteng on Jun 25, 2021 5:43:17 GMT -6
I'm still running into a Radial JDI and then a MarkBass TA501 into a Hartke 4x10 cabinet. Currently micing with a Senn MD421. Works like a charm. For mixing my chain tends to be the KT pultec into an Audioscapes 76F.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 25, 2021 8:23:52 GMT -6
UA 2-610 Direct
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Post by Ward on Jun 28, 2021 8:33:29 GMT -6
I had a long post all typed up but sadly seem to have lost it . . . so I'll get to the nuts and bolts of my main recording chains for bass. Live off the floor: both channels of a Drawmer 1960. one channel direct through a Countryman 85 DI, other channel U47fet mic'ing up a single speaker 1' back on axis quickly in the control room: Avalon U5 into a Mohog76. or into a tube pre like the WT72 into an LA3a or LA4 Now evaluating various preamps into the audioscape 76D |
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Post by ericn on Jun 29, 2021 18:50:48 GMT -6
I always try to use both an LDC out in the room a bit and a good DI. Not a cheap horizon or DOD, something either active or with a transformer with some character. Cheap passive DI’s always oversaturate.
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Post by Ward on Jun 29, 2021 19:21:50 GMT -6
I always try to use both an LDC out in the room a bit and a good DI. Not a cheap horizon or DOD, something either active or with a transformer with some character. Cheap passive DI’s always oversaturate. I don't own an audioscape DI load box yet, but up until then I'll continue with the Countryman 85, which is the best I have used to date... until I get an audioscape. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 29, 2021 22:04:37 GMT -6
I always try to use both an LDC out in the room a bit and a good DI. Not a cheap horizon or DOD, something either active or with a transformer with some character. Cheap passive DI’s always oversaturate. I don't own an audioscape DI load box yet, but up until then I'll continue with the Countryman 85, which is the best I have used to date... until I get an audioscape. Or a Zod made by a former forum frequenter Dan Deurloo. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 29, 2021 23:42:07 GMT -6
I don't own an audioscape DI load box yet, but up until then I'll continue with the Countryman 85, which is the best I have used to date... until I get an audioscape. Or a Zod made by a former forum frequenter Dan Deurloo. Good point And Dan is still lurking! |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 30, 2021 10:43:00 GMT -6
This Dan is lurking too, haha, I'll build you a DWA DI if you're interested, Ward. Have you heard me toot my horn? Sounds like this.
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Post by dreamsambas on Jun 30, 2021 10:57:47 GMT -6
I've said it before- but Dan (Wiley)'s DI was a game changer for me. It has that saturated midrange you look for in a warm, vintage bass tone. I couldn't stand the sound of DI bass until I got one of his DIs. Plan to buy another in the near future.
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Post by bikescene on Jun 30, 2021 14:10:47 GMT -6
I use a Sescom SM-1A direct box into a Stam SA73 pre. I’ve recently started using Helix Native, but used the IK SVX suite before that.
Many of you folks seem to like the Brainworx SVT-VR Classic. I missed out on it being offered for free from a few months ago. Is it vastly different to the other software sims or just another flavor?
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 30, 2021 18:02:00 GMT -6
I've said it before- but Dan (Wiley)'s DI was a game changer for me. It has that saturated midrange you look for in a warm, vintage bass tone. I couldn't stand the sound of DI bass until I got one of his DIs. Plan to buy another in the near future. I saw one in a Zoom call nice work.... Would buy one, but I am pretty happy with the options I have. Special the new RME D.I. option adds a big input load which sounds fantastic...
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Post by svart on Jul 1, 2021 20:31:16 GMT -6
I added the sound skulptor tube pre and used it the other day as DI for my bass chain. Went into my capi 553f and a blue stripe 1176. Perfect bass tone for me.
Only problem was that switched to "high" gain it was clipping on the big thumps. Set to medium it was great.
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Post by ericn on Jul 1, 2021 21:50:28 GMT -6
I added the sound skulptor tube pre and used it the other day as DI for my bass chain. Went into my capi 553f and a blue stripe 1176. Perfect bass tone for me. Only problem was that switched to "high" gain it was clipping on the big thumps. Set to medium it was great. Maybe it’s time for the direct SAVART? Put that evil genius mind to work! |
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Post by schmalzy on Jul 2, 2021 9:26:12 GMT -6
I'm always taking a DI. I've never regretted the hard drive space it took up and it's bailed me out more times than I care to mention. It's an easy solution to an easy-to-miss-at-the-time problem.
Bass -> Countryman 85 -> Neve-style Preamp
Then splitting at the "thru" to probably one of these:
Thru -> Bass Preamp (Darkglass, Sans Amp) -> Console preamp
Thru -> Distortion/fuzz/disgusting-sound pedals -> Console preamp
Thru -> Ampeg V4b -> SVT 6x10 -> AT4040 + Heil PR40 -> Neve-style Preamps
Thru -> Presonus Eureka DI input (surprisingly useful) ->Amp Sim (like the UAD SVT Classic or a whole pile of other options)
If I'm working on guitar-heavy music then often I'll reamp the bass DI through a distortion device or bass preamp after tracking is done. Layering guitar lines can really crowd the midrange areas I like to have my bass instrument definition coming from and sometimes that extra scuzziness/clank-i-ness is required to get it to come out. It sometimes feels like it needs to be a little bit irritating (on its own) to cut through the white noise wall of guitars, and drums, and synths, and vocals, and and and and and...
Now if I could just get bass players to stop rolling their tone knob down while tracking. Yes I understand you never hear your upper mids while you're rehearsing so it's a little odd. It's very helpful during tracking and during the mix to hear the definition of the note. No my system is not out of sync only on the bass channel, you're just playing wildly out of time and hearing it for the first time because this is the first time you've ever clearly heard the definition of your playing. No it won't sound good for this modern rock record if your bass is only lows. Yes we'll have to retrack your bass if you keep turning your tone knob all the way down so it sounds like you're used to sounding at rehearsals. Yes I'll bill you for it.
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