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Post by Ward on Apr 3, 2021 18:51:44 GMT -6
Well I got a good chuckle to myself. I read your thought about the notch filter, heh hehe hehe heh heh heh Quality.
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Post by christopher on Apr 3, 2021 21:02:34 GMT -6
Sounds great. The HPF at 160 is too aggressive of a cut, but HPF is probably the least important factor on mic for me since we can cut with many pres, EQs, or when mixing. I can’t afford $1k tom mics but I’d love to hear these on overheads. 🙂 That's not what an HPF is for. It's not EQ.
An HPF is a remedial device intended to eliminate or reduce unwanted rumble, truk and train noises, HVAC, Elephant stampedes, Jet engines, and other egregious accidental sounds. It is NOT intended as a tone shaping device - that's why your console has an EQ section or your DAW is stuffed with plugins.
Use the right tool for the job.
I think this was mostly true in the studio .. but only until the early 60s? (I read last week that it wasn’t until the mid/late 60s that close micing supposedly took over= ie sgt peppers) I’m not sure if your argument was true for broadcasters, as they may have already used HPF for correcting proximity for speech dating way, way back- I’m haven’t looked for proof though. At a certain point manufacturers totally did market the HPF to remove proximity effect. Some really old mics prosumer mics had M/S switch, which meant “music/speech”..HPF on = speech. The manual explains speech removes the low end proximity effect. I have an older tabletop dynamic like that
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 4, 2021 15:52:11 GMT -6
That's not what an HPF is for. It's not EQ.
An HPF is a remedial device intended to eliminate or reduce unwanted rumble, truk and train noises, HVAC, Elephant stampedes, Jet engines, and other egregious accidental sounds. It is NOT intended as a tone shaping device - that's why your console has an EQ section or your DAW is stuffed with plugins.
Use the right tool for the job.
I think this was mostly true in the studio .. but only until the early 60s? (I read last week that it wasn’t until the mid/late 60s that close micing supposedly took over= ie sgt peppers) I’m not sure if your argument was true for broadcasters, as they may have already used HPF for correcting proximity for speech dating way, way back- I’m haven’t looked for proof though. At a certain point manufacturers totally did market the HPF to remove proximity effect. Some really old mics prosumer mics had M/S switch, which meant “music/speech”..HPF on = speech. The manual explains speech removes the low end proximity effect. I have an older tabletop dynamic like that Yes, I neglected to include proximity for speech purposes.
The M/S switch was actually usually found on mics intended for broadcast, recording,etc, frequently on pro series dynamic mics but also occasionally on other types.
A similar switch may have been included on mics intended for amateur recording, but not usually.
BTW the switch is still found on many professional dynamic mics, The Sennheiser 421 and the Shure SM7 being two of the most popular.
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Post by sparkey on Apr 5, 2021 8:01:33 GMT -6
That sounds really good, what are the uses for the type 19? Is it an all a rounder? Liked it without the hi pass filter.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2021 16:37:40 GMT -6
An HPF is a FILTER but it's not an EQ. It is intended for the removal of unwanted LF noise that would otherwise screw up the recording.
In most consoles the HPF is electrically in front of the EQ, which,as I just pointed out, means that you can't use the EQ to boost what you already cut out - if it's gone it's gone.
John Every band of an EQ is a filter! Electronics 101. It’s as basic as that ! While for the most part a HPF is used for house keeping it can and is often used for tone shaping, nothing unusual hell the choice of filter is probably determined by the way it effects the tone of the of the source. Besides it’s rock and roll your sounding like the old guys at Abby Road when Geoff Emrick wanted to play around and deviate from the standard Abby Road way. You're plating semantics.
The word "filter" has multipler meanings in audio electronics. You are confgusing two very different definitions, which depend on the intended use something is designed for.
Yes, an EQ is composed of a bunch of filters. But that does not mean that any filter you happen to find is an EQ.
Granted, it can become a bit fuzzy when you get into the older stuff that was made before nomenclature became more or less standardized things can be a bit fuzzy because you find things like single band EQs that are in essence, a single filter. Thast does not mean that the terms are properly interchangeable - they're generally not.
This discussion is reminding me of one I had over at GS when one idiot with some education kept insisting the the radio frequency band essentially frrom 0 HZ up to infinity, because VLF broadcasting is sometimes used for undersea communuications. If you're writing a textbook that's correct - if you're disciplining is broadcasting (for normal purposes) it isn't. (Since the discussion concerned RFI/EMI interference in guitar amps, I was correct and he was wrong.)
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Post by chessparov on Apr 6, 2021 8:54:08 GMT -6
Actually the whole undersea topic, is hard to fathom. Chris
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Post by mdmitch2 on Apr 6, 2021 15:21:13 GMT -6
That sounds really good, what are the uses for the type 19? Is it an all a rounder? Liked it without the hi pass filter. The initial concept was taking the sound of a vintage 47 and cramming it into a tiny, versatile package, and the result is definitely an 'all rounder' type of mic. Due to covid / supply chain / etc, we don't have a ton of them out in the world yet, but we're getting ready to ramp up production. So far our clients have be loving them on acoustic guitar, toms, bass, snare, OH.... One pro in Nashville just told us yesterday "by a long shot, these are the best kik out mics ever invented. NOTHING even comes close to these. It's shocking" So we think we achieved our design goals Hopefully as we get more mics out into the world, and the pandemic clears up, we'll get some more clips, comparisons, etc. Stay tuned! Side note, the HPF in the mic also causes a small overall level drop in this circuit, so if the clips weren't gain matched, it might exaggerate the perceived amount by which the low end is cut.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 6, 2021 16:00:49 GMT -6
duplicate
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Post by sparkey on Apr 6, 2021 16:19:48 GMT -6
for heiserman, would you recommend the type 19 for acoustic guitar or the H47 fet? preference? how about electric guitar cabinets?
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 6, 2021 16:22:19 GMT -6
Any planned dealer in Europe?
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Post by dmo on Apr 6, 2021 19:09:55 GMT -6
Side note, the HPF in the mic also causes a small overall level drop in this circuit, so if the clips weren't gain matched, it might exaggerate the perceived amount by which the low end is cut. I thought the level seemed a little quieter when I engaged the HPF, and did bring that clip level up slightly when I posted but probably didn't quite get them truly matched (self admittedly still very much a rookie as far as recording). I'm really happy with it so far - looking forward to some reviews from those with more experience.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Apr 6, 2021 19:26:58 GMT -6
Side note, the HPF in the mic also causes a small overall level drop in this circuit, so if the clips weren't gain matched, it might exaggerate the perceived amount by which the low end is cut. I thought the level seemed a little quieter when I engaged the HPF, and did bring that clip level up slightly when I posted but probably didn't quite get them truly matched (self admittedly still very much a rookie as far as recording). I'm really happy with it so far - looking forward to some reviews from those with more experience. Thanks for posting -- it's great to get some clips out there!
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Post by mdmitch2 on Apr 6, 2021 19:29:16 GMT -6
Any planned dealer in Europe? Hi -- I do think we'll have a European dealer in the not too distant future, but no specific time frame right now. We do ship internationally from our site... it would be about $40 for a Type-19. We'll be updating the site with a proper product listing in the next week or so.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Apr 6, 2021 19:34:45 GMT -6
for heiserman, would you recommend the type 19 for acoustic guitar or the H47 fet? preference? how about electric guitar cabinets? For acoustic, I think it might be toss up depending on the guitar. For guitar cabinets, I think the Type-19 would win out most of the time.
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Post by enlav on Sept 1, 2021 13:00:02 GMT -6
In case someone was browsing or interested, I just saw the Type 19's in stock at VK.
I know I have a H47tube on order, but I wouldn't mind getting this in hopes it blows away the TLM103 for VO duties (not to mention, probably far more versatile)...
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Post by sirthought on Sept 1, 2021 22:30:07 GMT -6
For those of you thinking about these on tom drums, I'd love to learn how they might handle cymbal bleed in figure 8 setting. Once you get them set up, it would be lovely if you could check somehow. Thanks in advance.
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Post by robschnapf on Sept 3, 2021 7:18:42 GMT -6
It’s a great all arounder mic. Workhorse. Big bottom, not hyped. Anywhere from From outside kick to vocals. And all points in between.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Sept 3, 2021 8:55:40 GMT -6
For those of you thinking about these on tom drums, I'd love to learn how they might handle cymbal bleed in figure 8 setting. Once you get them set up, it would be lovely if you could check somehow. Thanks in advance. The Fig8 pattern was added specifically for that purpose, at the request of Craig Alvin. I believe we have some clips somewhere, but they're probably buried in a pro tools session. I'll look into it.
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Post by sirthought on Sept 3, 2021 10:51:16 GMT -6
For those of you thinking about these on tom drums, I'd love to learn how they might handle cymbal bleed in figure 8 setting. Once you get them set up, it would be lovely if you could check somehow. Thanks in advance. The Fig8 pattern was added specifically for that purpose, at the request of Craig Alvin. I believe we have some clips somewhere, but they're probably buried in a pro tools session. I'll look into it. I would appreciate that. I actually think about a post made by Craig showing a wave form from a AEA R-92 with no bleed, but I don't think every figure 8 mic would work that way. And a condenser is perhaps more sensitive than a ribbon when it comes to that placement.
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Post by putinesqua on Nov 1, 2021 1:18:32 GMT -6
hey, thanks for hippin me to the presale y'all
just got the type 19
i'm into this kind of build quality
it's surely one further feather in my cap, and a testament to my engineering ability that i can't for the life of me figure out how to post a picture right now...but hope it's been a good halloween for everybody 
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