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Post by seawell on Jun 7, 2021 12:41:27 GMT -6
Thank you for the kind words guys, it is very much appreciated! svart, that defector info is very interesting and may explain why things have shifted so quickly. The idea that China may be producing variants to cover their tracks is insane 🤯 |
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Post by svart on Jun 7, 2021 13:21:43 GMT -6
Thank you for the kind words guys, it is very much appreciated! svart , that defector info is very interesting and may explain why things have shifted so quickly. The idea that China may be producing variants to cover their tracks is insane 🤯 There's also information circulating that China is currently doing all kinds of things to destroy as much previous evidence as possible before the world finally demands a fully open investigation. We'd never get anything close to the truth from China regardless, and we certainly aren't going to get any more info or help from them. |
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Post by rowmat on Jun 7, 2021 22:10:11 GMT -6
Thank you for the kind words guys, it is very much appreciated! svart , that defector info is very interesting and may explain why things have shifted so quickly. The idea that China may be producing variants to cover their tracks is insane 🤯 There's also information circulating that China is currently doing all kinds of things to destroy as much previous evidence as possible before the world finally demands a fully open investigation. We'd never get anything close to the truth from China regardless, and we certainly aren't going to get any more info or help from them. The reality is that most governments who have the resources ‘experiment’ with biological weapons. The 2001 Anthrax attacks were initially used to further hype the war on terror post 9/11 after being linked to Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein but it was deemed the anthrax spores were too highly refined to have been produced in a low tech facility and appeared to have a profile more likely to have originated from within a US lab involved in bioweapons programs. A microbiologist from Fort Detrick in Maryland, Bruce Ivins was implicated but promptly ‘suicided’ before the case went to trial. The investigation was then closed (nothing to see here) and that was that. Not forgetting it was Colin Powell’s phony biological WMD presentation at the UN along with a mock vile of anthrax that was used to convince the world to invade Iraq in 2003. And we know how that turned out. Bad actors exist everywhere. |
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Post by svart on Jun 8, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -6
For anyone interested, I found this page: c19ivermectin.com/Which is a link repository to tons of papers and information on how Ivermectin seems to work very well against C19. |
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Post by rowmat on Jun 8, 2021 15:07:11 GMT -6
For anyone interested, I found this page: c19ivermectin.com/Which is a link repository to tons of papers and information on how Ivermectin seems to work very well against C19. And don’t forget to keep your Vitamin D levels up. c19vitamind.com |
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Post by seawell on Jun 8, 2021 16:46:21 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Jun 8, 2021 17:01:20 GMT -6
Or just take 5000 units of D a day. Really not much of any downsides, and studies show there are huge upsides.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 8, 2021 20:40:42 GMT -6
5000 bottles? Sounds like a lot to me. Still mostly lurking, but much/most of what I'm reading here now... Correlates to the (recently) retired/Secret Service person, I mentioned earlier. "Where there's smoke".  I certainly understand and respect all those with varying perspectives, who've contributed on this thread.* Chris *Even John Eppstein.   (I keed I keed) |
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Post by seawell on Jun 8, 2021 22:41:11 GMT -6
Or just take 5000 units of D a day. Really not much of any downsides, and studies show there are huge upsides. But if I get it for free from the sun then I can buy more gear 🤣 |
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Post by svart on Jun 9, 2021 7:51:23 GMT -6
Or just take 5000 units of D a day. Really not much of any downsides, and studies show there are huge upsides. But if I get it for free from the sun then I can buy more gear 🤣 An interesting piece of data from early on in the covid saga was that mid-high latitude countries were having much worse times with covid than equitorial or high latitude countries. Places like Norway weren't hit nearly as hard as Italy despite the amount of daily sunlight being much higher in Italy. Someone might point to the specious observations that "if vitamin D helped, then Italy should be doing better" but investigations found that people who lived in mid-high latitude countries that have higher daytime temps tend to stay out of the sun and in cooler buildings during the day but people who live in places like Norway where sunlight is more appreciated when it's available tend to spend more time outside as well as have much larger assortments of foods fortified with vitamin D.. |
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Post by svart on Jun 9, 2021 7:51:38 GMT -6
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 9, 2021 8:41:16 GMT -6
People in northern climes tend to have more efficient genetic vitamin D production.
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Post by seawell on Jun 9, 2021 11:09:44 GMT -6
Interesting. It should also be noted that vitamin D from the sun isn’t available during all daylight hours. That is where the D Minder app really comes in handy. Especially during the winter, some days where I live in NC, it’s only available for an hour or so.
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Post by drbill on Jun 9, 2021 11:35:13 GMT -6
Good info on D and it's interaction with C19.
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Post by svart on Jun 10, 2021 7:53:17 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Jun 10, 2021 14:10:18 GMT -6
If VAERS is too intense, here's the Dr. recommended cliff notes version.....  Take it for what it's worth. I'm sure someone will try to debunk the website or it's statistics here.... 294,000+ C19 Vaccine problem reports... You can also sort and see other stuff too. Not as scientific and abstract as some sources - which is better for me. www.openvaers.com |
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 10, 2021 14:40:26 GMT -6
There's no debunking VAERS, but you need to know what it is.
Anyone can report anything to VAERS at any time. It is completely open and completely un-validated. There is no attempt to sort or attribute cause to the report.
Right now, there is mandatory legal reporting for any severe adverse events for medical professionals for anyone who received a vaccine. For example, as far as I can tell anyone who receives none the new vaccines and then dies for any reason should be reported to VAERS by a doctor. The normal legal reporting window for a flu vaccine for example is only eight days.
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Post by seawell on Jun 10, 2021 15:02:22 GMT -6
It’s the sheer number of VAERS reports that is concerning. Assuming they are all incorrect and that there are zero vaccine related deaths at this point is a bit naive in my opinion. Way too much smoke to be no fire.
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Post by ragan on Jun 10, 2021 15:19:19 GMT -6
It’s the sheer number of VAERS reports that is concerning. Assuming they are all incorrect and that there are zero vaccine related deaths at this point is a bit naive in my opinion. Way too much smoke to be no fire. There have been ~140,000,000 people vaccinated in the U.S. If any of them die, a week after vaccination, 6 months after vaccination, for any reason, healthcare workers are required to report it to VAERS. Any member of the public can also file a VAERS report. If you grouped 140,000,000 people, for any reason whatsoever, and kept track of them for months, it would be shocking beyond belief if none of them died during that time. Add in the fact that we started vaccinating the oldest and most infirm among us first and it would be even more shocking. That, of course, doesn't mean there are no adverse effects of vaccines, it just means that simply noting that some of the 140 million people who've been vaccinated (a group whose timeline skews toward the oldest and sickest among us) have since died doesn't tell us much of anything other than that the vaccine does not appear to grant immortality. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 10, 2021 15:36:31 GMT -6
I don't agree, I think the numbers are tricky. In a normal year around 8 per 1,000 people die in the US - meaning some 2.6 million people will die this year, 218,000 per month.
Because of the emergency use authorization the FDA is requiring any death or serious events after COVID vaccination to be reported to VAERS regardless of whether or not the doctor thinks the vaccine is a cause. From December to May this year there were only 4,863 reports of death to VAERS after COVID vaccines. We've vaccinated 150 million people. Just by the numbers you'd expect that roughly 100,000 people who have been vaccinated will have died of all causes...every month. Frankly I'm not sure why the VAERS number isn't much, much higher.
Each of those deaths is reviewed by the CDC regardless of cause (car crash, gunshot, whatever).
On the other hand, COVID19 has a fatality rate of something like 0.3-0.6% -- let's be generous and say 0.3%. If those same 150 million people got COVID, you would expect 450,000 people to die with a fatality rate of 0.3%. Even if the IFR of COVID19 is an order of magnitude less than any estimate we have - 0.03%, for 150 million people you would expect 45,000 people to die. So even if every. single. one. of those VAERS deaths was absolutely and assuredly caused by the vaccine it would still be nearly a hundred times better than getting COVID.
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Post by ragan on Jun 10, 2021 15:45:59 GMT -6
matt@IAA you don't agree, so you do think the evidence points to these vaccines conferring immortality??? I mean, I think they're great too, but I think that's going too far.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jun 10, 2021 15:46:53 GMT -6
Haha man I hope so, that’d be rad for sure
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 10, 2021 15:51:48 GMT -6
There's no debunking VAERS, but you need to know what it is. Anyone can report anything to VAERS at any time. It is completely open and completely un-validated. There is no attempt to sort or attribute cause to the report. Right now, there is mandatory legal reporting for any severe adverse events for medical professionals for anyone who received a vaccine. For example, as far as I can tell anyone who receives none the new vaccines and then dies for any reason should be reported to VAERS by a doctor. The normal legal reporting window for a flu vaccine for example is only eight days. I'm willing to bet that the tingling in my legs (which is listed as a severe side effect for some reason) that I reported to my doctor was not reported to VAERS. I looked INTO REPORTING it myself and it seemed fairly complicated, so I said fuck it and didn't do it. Pharmacist didn't want to hear about the issue, my doc didn't want to deal with it, and even the hospital seemed to have no clue about it and didn't seem to care. FWIW. |
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Post by svart on Jun 10, 2021 15:54:51 GMT -6
I don't agree, I think the numbers are tricky. In a normal year around 8 per 1,000 people die in the US - meaning some 2.6 million people will die this year, 218,000 per month. Because of the emergency use authorization the FDA is requiring any death or serious events after COVID vaccination to be reported to VAERS regardless of whether or not the doctor thinks the vaccine is a cause. From December to May this year there were only 4,863 reports of death to VAERS after COVID vaccines. We've vaccinated 150 million people. Just by the numbers you'd expect that roughly 100,000 people who have been vaccinated will have died of all causes...every month. Frankly I'm not sure why the VAERS number isn't much, much higher. Each of those deaths is reviewed by the CDC regardless of cause (car crash, gunshot, whatever). On the other hand, COVID19 has a fatality rate of something like 0.3-0.6% -- let's be generous and say 0.3%. If those same 150 million people got COVID, you would expect 450,000 people to die with a fatality rate of 0.3%. Even if the IFR of COVID19 is an order of magnitude less than any estimate we have - 0.03%, for 150 million people you would expect 45,000 people to die. So even if every. single. one. of those VAERS deaths was absolutely and assuredly caused by the vaccine it would still be nearly a hundred times better than getting COVID. Harkens back to the pre-mask days of the beginning of lockdowns.. "It's worth it to save even one life!" Was the mantra of the day. Oh the irony. |
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Post by svart on Jun 10, 2021 16:01:09 GMT -6
There's no debunking VAERS, but you need to know what it is. Anyone can report anything to VAERS at any time. It is completely open and completely un-validated. There is no attempt to sort or attribute cause to the report. Right now, there is mandatory legal reporting for any severe adverse events for medical professionals for anyone who received a vaccine. For example, as far as I can tell anyone who receives none the new vaccines and then dies for any reason should be reported to VAERS by a doctor. The normal legal reporting window for a flu vaccine for example is only eight days. I'm willing to bet that the tingling in my legs (which is listed as a severe side effect for some reason) that I reported to my doctor was not reported to VAERS. I looked INTO REPORTING it myself and it seemed fairly complicated, so I said fuck it and didn't do it. Pharmacist didn't want to hear about the issue, my doc didn't want to deal with it, and even the hospital seemed to have no clue about it and didn't seem to care. FWIW. couldn't even get the misdiagnosed deaths off of the covid rolls for the longest time. They're just now "correcting" deaths in some places by as much as 25% to remove folks who died *with* covid in things like car crashes from the died *from* covid stat sheets. If they couldn't/wouldn't listen or care on that, I don't think you'll elicit a response for your side effects from the group of "vaccinate no matter what". It'll be about 5 years before the "if you had the pfizer vaccine in 2021, then you might be entitled to compensation" lawyer commercials happen between daytime soaps. |
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