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Post by sean on Jan 12, 2021 14:10:26 GMT -6
I have a spare Auditronics power supply and the 15V rails are out of wack. +26V and -9V. Should be (roughly) 15V and -15V. What would cause them to be that out of wack?
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 12, 2021 14:30:45 GMT -6
Is the transformer a center-tap design?
Are they adjustable?
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Post by sean on Jan 12, 2021 14:40:42 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Jan 12, 2021 14:59:29 GMT -6
Look at the +/-24V pins first to see if those are off as well. If not, then see if P2 is turned too far to one side or another. If not, then it might be a case of testing each resistor to make sure none of them have drifted over time. I guess you should also make sure that each cap on the output is still good. Your DMM set to DC might not read AC ripple very well if the caps are bad.
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Post by sean on Jan 12, 2021 19:16:12 GMT -6
Is it possible the regulators are bad? Adjusting P2 doesn't do much, only brings the voltage up or down a volt.
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Post by drbill on Jan 13, 2021 0:56:31 GMT -6
I had a console that was left on once when I was gone and it rained and the roof leaked. Came back and water had dried on the surface, but there was about an inch of water in the pan. Basically worked, but the solo logic was all out of whack. Same exact thing. +/- rails way out of whack. Re-adjusted them to +/- 15v and all was fine.
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Post by sean on Jan 13, 2021 8:00:18 GMT -6
It doesn't seem like there's a way to adjust the voltage rails so significantly, and it was suggested to me its likely the regulators themselves. The power supply is probably 50 years old at this point.
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Post by svart on Jan 13, 2021 8:44:52 GMT -6
It doesn't seem like there's a way to adjust the voltage rails so significantly, and it was suggested to me its likely the regulators themselves. The power supply is probably 50 years old at this point. As you see in the schematic there are no "regulators" per se. The design is partially discrete and the "regulators" are made of all those components you see on the schematic page. Did you measure the +/-24V? What did you see? (since this is the first thing I asked you to look at after you asked for help looking at it..) Where are you measuring the +/-15V? Are you measuring right at the power supply output or are you measuring inside the console itself? If you're measuring at the console, stop and measure the power supply output without the console or cable attached. Not sure how stable it might look even in a normal working state since it has a distinct lack of output capacitance or decoupling. "Regulators" don't go bad due to age. Caps can go bad by drying out, either by leaking over time or by being overheated over time. If you leave this thing on for a while does the voltage change? It's still likely either not regulating properly due to drifting carbon resistors or even a bad common connection. Have you tried reseating the A-M connections, specifically the A-D connections to make sure it's not a corrosion/connection issue? It looks like it employs some kind of external feedback through the "Sense" pins. It might need those pins connected to their respective outputs in order to regulate properly. Are you using the same cable for both supplies? Have you pinned out the cable to make sure all conductors are continuous?
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Post by sean on Jan 13, 2021 11:19:23 GMT -6
I’m measuring 24V at the power supply terminal block. I don’t have it hooked up to the console, wanted to check the voltages first. I could plug it up to an unloaded frame and see if that changes the voltages
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Post by svart on Jan 13, 2021 12:00:06 GMT -6
I’m measuring 24V at the power supply terminal block. I don’t have it hooked up to the console, wanted to check the voltages first. I could plug it up to an unloaded frame and see if that changes the voltages So you're getting both +24 and -24? Which is kinda strange since those are the source voltages for +15 and -15 respectively, so you shouldn't be able to read 26V with 24V source unless it's oscillating or something. You'd need an oscilloscope to see.
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Post by sean on Jan 13, 2021 12:52:06 GMT -6
No I’m seeing +26V and -9V
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Post by svart on Jan 13, 2021 12:57:51 GMT -6
No I’m seeing +26V and -9V I guess things are getting confused. If you look at the schematic of the power supply, there are BOTH +24/-24 outputs (points 7 and 9) as well as +15/-15 outputs (points 1 and 3). What are the voltages you are measuring at the +24/-24 points?
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Post by sean on Jan 13, 2021 13:24:06 GMT -6
Sorry I’m measuring the 15V rail. The actual 24V measures correctly
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Post by svart on Jan 13, 2021 14:06:49 GMT -6
Sorry I’m measuring the 15V rail. The actual 24V measures correctly Ok, so it's pretty much the regulation that's gone off the reservation. I'd try hooking the sense inputs to their respective outputs and see if the voltages align.
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Post by sean on Jan 13, 2021 20:38:37 GMT -6
Hooking it up to the frame fixed it. Probably had something to do with the sense inputs like you said. Thanks for the help!
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