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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2021 10:06:58 GMT -6
Here's Peter !
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 9, 2021 11:00:46 GMT -6
The difference seems pretty consistent with the other clips I've heard thus far. The 67 is a tiny bit clearer in the mids, low end is a bit tighter, and maybe a hair less "zing" up top.
At least that's what I think I'm hearing. Very possible I would fail a blind shootout. It's like a 5% difference at most, and that's being generous.
Really seems like Warm hit a home run with this one. I'd love to own one.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2021 15:26:57 GMT -6
I honestly didn’t think the Warm would be this close, maybe if you were singing into both you might find you have a preference we wouldn’t know from the shoot out, but the Warm sure seems like good value.
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Post by rob61 on Jan 9, 2021 16:05:09 GMT -6
Surprisingly close.
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Post by reddirt on Jan 9, 2021 18:02:13 GMT -6
What a great, sensible reviewer. My take is, with the limited sources it was a home run to the Warm; my big question is how it stands up under volume e.g. pushed and/or strident vocals - there is where the rubber meets the road. If it returned similar results to the above video I'd have to consider it. Anyone know of a decent sung vocal test?
Cheers, Ross
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2021 18:23:07 GMT -6
I think vintage king has one from a month or so ago ?
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Post by reddirt on Jan 9, 2021 18:24:07 GMT -6
Answered my own question and checked out Vintage King's vid. The vocals are not what i'd call pushing it but even with the singers there, the relative smoothness of the 67 was apparent with the slight upper mid edge of the Warm being enough to temper my enthusiasm; still pretty good at the price but not for me.
Cheers, Ross
P.S. Thanks KCat
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 9, 2021 18:24:34 GMT -6
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 9, 2021 20:45:45 GMT -6
Really debating picking one up, just for the heck of it.
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Post by dreamsambas on Jan 9, 2021 22:02:20 GMT -6
I'd love to have the 67 sound for 1/10th the price, but.... in these comparisons, the Warm 67 didn't cut it for me.
The Neumann flattered every source it was used on. The Warm did not have the same effect.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 9, 2021 22:41:05 GMT -6
As far as warm mics, I have no personal experience. Great comparison vid. Don’t want to judge a mic I haven’t used but I wonder how useful it is on drums, guitar, amps, room, etc.
That is where the real 67 & 87 shine. Work horse mics that sounds good to great on 80-90% of sources & can be molded to fit in a mix.
I remember everyone loved the WA76 ( & KT ) & compared it to REV D & how great it sounds in clip a later.. FF a few years the opinions have dramatically changed on these units ( & warm audio in general )
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Post by bwoe on Jan 10, 2021 9:45:20 GMT -6
I wonder how significant that off-axis difference is when tracking multiple instruments together.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 10, 2021 10:00:28 GMT -6
Seemed to me it could be used to advantage as the Warm was capturing more high end detail and or interesting to experiment with distance?
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 10, 2021 10:47:07 GMT -6
I thought the acoustic guitar sounded really different?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2022 13:21:03 GMT -6
Is it just me, or does he have the Warm in F8 halfway through the video? Maybe he doesn't record anything like that...but
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Post by thecolourfulway on Mar 2, 2022 17:06:08 GMT -6
One thing I’ve never really loved my 67 for is acoustic guitar, even in this shootout if I had to choose I’d take the warm haha. On voice though, no comparison, those soft smooth clear mids from the Neumann were easily apparent, the warm did not have the mojo it sounded raspy and cold to me
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 2, 2022 17:19:09 GMT -6
One thing I’ve never really loved my 67 for is acoustic guitar, even in this shootout if I had to choose I’d take the warm haha. On voice though, no comparison, those soft smooth clear mids from the Neumann were easily apparent, the warm did not have the mojo it sounded raspy and cold to me I wouldn’t say “no comparison.” Not sure which video you’re referring to, but that first one was extremely close. The second VK one, sure, the vintage sounded less congested - but holy shit it’s $10k plus cheaper. There’s one comparing with a reissue 67 and I thought the warm sounded better in every instance.
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Post by thecolourfulway on Mar 2, 2022 23:23:47 GMT -6
I wouldn’t say “no comparison.” Not sure which video you’re referring to Oh man, the first video! The Neumann had fairy dust all over it even just handheld and talking. But wonder how I’d do in a blind test haha - I think I could get it! 67 was my bucket list mic for a long time before I got one, it’s a sound that’s etched in my brain.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 7, 2022 13:55:20 GMT -6
Still thinking about this. Anyone have any experience?
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Post by teejay on Apr 7, 2022 14:22:45 GMT -6
Still thinking about this. Anyone have any experience? My experience isn't a one-for-one, but I do have this mic with a Neumann cap and a NOS Amperex tube. I've not sung into a vintage or reissue 67, but this is sounding very good to me and is a great compliment to my REDD. Both mics eq very well.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 7, 2022 15:29:12 GMT -6
I guess now an alternative quality option is... To pop a smoother (Heiserman or Tim C.) 67 capsule, into the Warm. Chris P.S. IMHO they got even closer on the WA-87 R2, relative to a U87.
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Post by ericn on Apr 7, 2022 16:16:53 GMT -6
I think the Warm is great as long as you haven’t used the real thing or a great clone, the flavor is there it just misses a couple of things. For the money? Damn good, but I know if I bought in I would be chasing that last bit and in the end that road-trip would cost as much as the reissue.
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Post by ml on Apr 7, 2022 17:51:31 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 6:16:19 GMT -6
I think the Warm is great as long as you haven’t used the real thing or a great clone, the flavor is there it just misses a couple of things. For the money? Damn good, but I know if I bought in I would be chasing that last bit and in the end that road-trip would cost as much as the reissue. Y'know Eric, gonna disagree.. I think they're getting close enough not to be detrimental to the audio capture anymore, it's not a matter of quality but subjective preference and I have on occasion preferred the clones to the originals. When comparing my U67 to some of the older clones from yesterdecade (it's a word now) yeah, I understand the sentiment but it's getting seriously difficult at this stage to blame the equipment. It's a shame really, what do I blame at this point? I mean pointing fingers at myself seems way too logical.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Apr 11, 2022 9:40:53 GMT -6
One thing I’ve never really loved my 67 for is acoustic guitar, even in this shootout if I had to choose I’d take the warm haha. On voice though, no comparison, those soft smooth clear mids from the Neumann were easily apparent, the warm did not have the mojo it sounded raspy and cold to me That would be the very same 67 that was in my custody for a couple decades, and yes, I never liked it on Ac gtr either. Vocals and drum room were where it shone the brightest. Nice to read that it's alive and well!
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