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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 13:13:02 GMT -6
I am also a nobody, I have some hardware that gets used from time to time, some DIY Calrec EQs that are very good, an old Pioneer tube spring reverb, a Yamaha multi FX and an "upgraded" Behringer Composer, that survived the reckoning. I have some kits for a Serpent LA3A, a Serpent SSL compressor, a DIY "sontec" EQ, I always wanted a Hairball 1176, but these are on the back burner. Mostly mic preamps in the racks here getting the most use. No DBX 160? Cheap, cool, sounds good, and can easily be upgraded with Jensens and better parts.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 13, 2021 13:27:12 GMT -6
I am also a nobody, I have some hardware that gets used from time to time, some DIY Calrec EQs that are very good, an old Pioneer tube spring reverb, a Yamaha multi FX and an "upgraded" Behringer Composer, that survived the reckoning. I have some kits for a Serpent LA3A, a Serpent SSL compressor, a DIY "sontec" EQ, I always wanted a Hairball 1176, but these are on the back burner. Mostly mic preamps in the racks here getting the most use. No DBX 160? Cheap, cool, sounds good, and can easily be upgraded with Jensens and better parts. I had a 160X or XT (don't remember) that I was very fond of, but it got sold for some unknown reason. I had a 166A for some time too, that was decent, but a little dark, and had the classic "too many extra knobs" problem of a cheap compressor, even though it was built well. I have also been through no less than 5 or 6 dbx 560A's, couldn't seem to keep them around. I use the Arturia one and sometimes the NI VC 160 one when I need that fix, typically on toms, kick, snare. If I ever "expand" the racks again there will be a DBX 160, maybe a Drawmer 251, maybe an Aphex exciter thing with the sub bass, and so on. That's my general price range if it's not DIY. I am not a "big dog" in terms of finance and likely never will be. So in that sense I am in the cheap seats and try not to comment too much on other peoples' expensive hardware. I do have some incredibly nice gear though from deals, haggles, saving up etc.
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Post by viciousbliss on Jan 13, 2021 13:29:44 GMT -6
So here's a question.... Although I thought the Neve comparisons was pretty damn good in the video... Where do you guys sit on this... I know a lot of you are much younger than me, so there's that perspective. I own, almost every Comp / Eq / Pre Amp / I could ever want. And have sold more than anyone has ever needed. This stuff was purchased NOT for my clients, but for me, and my specific sonic requirements to do what ever I do. But as John stated, as of late, no one has time, nor $$$ to spend on doing things the old way. And in my opinion, the right way. Sadly, not even the major clients / bands I've worked with over the last 45 years! No time, no money. So be it. Every damn thing is a rush, and add to that the recall bullshit. So for the last few years, I record and mix everyday, (still got to work, right?) although not totally happy in what I'm doing, and the way I'm doing it. Computers plug in's etc. I just believe it's the slow dumbing down of our industry, taking away a little bit of fidelity, vibe, emotion, at a time, so no one really notices. That said, I've been pretty happy with the results of the last few years of working this way, and the clients too... BUT what's bringing me down, is the fact I have all this gear that I know intimately, that just sits unpowered, and unused for the most part, because of this new paradigm. It's actually very depressing. Although it might have taken more time, I listen to stuff I did years ago, (2 inch with all the outboard) and man did it have a vibe, a sonic signature that I just don't hear as of late. Like I said, the slow sonic degradation of our industry. No matter what anyone tells me, using what's left of my two ears, the REAL ANALOG OUTBOARD just sounds better! Maybe it's just me, or the last three Delirium Noels, I had... Over & Out. A big problem is dsp can't realistically do many things at this point in time and the big plugin companies are trying to hammer a circular peg into a square hole instead of making dsp that works and sounds good. Nobody wants to limit themselves what digital currently does best, linear processes, and what digital can do very well in 2021: reverb, brickwall limiters, ridiculous eqs, soft knee compressors, crazy program dependent dynamic processing, and the best tube emulations. But where is my decent Marshall amp sim? None of them are really better then the old free LePou HyBrit. Companies also don't want to go back and fix their old DSP with Waves being the worst offender. Then we get the Black Box, UAD and others repackaging worse old plugs with better new plugs, that 400 dollar dirtbox Amek EQ, and stuff like Fabfilter that is devoted to mixing with your eyes and not your ears. Nevermind that there are cleaner EQs that don't sell as well because they're not as pretty but if prettier guis made supposedly better workflows that produced better mixes, I'm not hearing it. Others are trying to model stuff that just can't be modeled efficiently on current CPUs, like SSL dynamics, DBX 160, and 1176. A lot of these transistors and ICs haven't been modeled at all (The emulations of all the SSL hardware and Boss pedals sound so off) and if anything has a fast attack and hard knee, well then you need mhz range detector to make it work right and upsampling that high from 44.1 or 48 khz is going to add a crap ton of IMD from all the inaudible frequencies. So it's not even feasible until we get insanely powered CPUs and everything goes beyond Tokyo Dawn level of anti-aliasing filters. Most 88.2/96 kHz and up mixes already have problems with IMD from lack of low pass filters in most non-linear processes. I've always found that Eqing with Pro Q2 had the possibility of making things worse because of the graph. The other problem is GUI crashes. Happens a lot with the bx consoles and Softube stuff too. I'd prefer simpler GUIs like Tokyo Dawn or Cranesong. It's definitely true that you really can't crank a lot of plugins. I don't. Comparing my new 44k with limited upsampling work with what I was doing at 88/96, I hear the benefits and none of the drawbacks. Maybe this sorta wonky blurriness I was hearing at 88/96 was IMD. In regard to oversampling, don't plugins that do it internally have to have the right filters in place? Or do a lot of them mess it up? The UAD stuff does sound pretty good either way. But once again, I'm not cranking it to really fast attacks or doing too much GR. The main thing I do a lot of GR on are my vocal comps like 1176, Comp 76 V2, 176.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2021 0:10:33 GMT -6
Reading some of the latest responses about the state of things right now...and it just occurred to me that it all started taking a shit when the emphasis went from the song being the star to the production being the star. I mean - maybe it’s just the couple genres I’m in and doesn’t really happen in the cool kid alt hipster scene where people are still willing to live in a van and spend any disposable income on doing things without taking shortcuts...but alas, that’s not the world I live in.
[Begin Rant] We used to not be so precious about every freaking thing. Tuning, this verb, that verb, EG 2 up 1 db, Eg 1 down 2 db, everything planned sucking every bit of spontaneity out of the room...micro managing art. You used to hire professionals that knew how to record and you trusted them to do their jobs because they were good at it. But you ONLY hired those professionals when you had the songs worthy of recording. Now we are hiding turds in the chocolate factory. (I should trademark this) Before the proliferation of every 17 year old with a laptop and Maschine, people would have a budget to track and be there while tracking was happening. You were paying for studio time, so you needed to be prepared and know what you wanted - and be able To convey it or perform it. When that was done - except for the occasional overdub you would meet up with the mix engineer to sign off on mixes...or pay for revisions. And you were thrilled. Now everybody knows a little about everything. At least enough to think they know more about it than you do. So this environment isn’t built for the time and money it takes to track with a ton of hardware. There are exceptions, of course...but they are unicorns - and I respect them. [End rant]
I’ve always been fascinated with market pricing...maybe I should buy a bunch of gear, and have the “you get what you get” attitude...and charge out of the ass.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2021 0:12:52 GMT -6
So I guess my rambling point was that I agree with Nobtwiddler that it’s a result of the collective dumbing down of our industry.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jan 14, 2021 16:22:07 GMT -6
"So I guess my rambling point was that I agree with Nobtwiddler that it’s a result of the collective dumbing down of our industry."
Yep. And it's killing me, that only a few see & HEAR IT! (or want to freely admit it?)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 16:28:37 GMT -6
"So I guess my rambling point was that I agree with Nobtwiddler that it’s a result of the collective dumbing down of our industry." Yep. And it's killing me, that only a few see & HEAR IT! (or want to freely admit it?) Bands not ready to record anything want faster and faster turnaround for less money. I just bought something, the PSP Infinistrip, that does negatively affect the sound versus my normal workflow but lets me bash out mixes at 88.2 or 96khz quickly. I've had to deal with a metal guitarist who couldn't palm mute and the band insisted he be on the record. So it got clipped and mixed down low as some razor wire fuzz and I told him he was "filling out the highs" like a bassist does the low end.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2021 16:37:15 GMT -6
"So I guess my rambling point was that I agree with Nobtwiddler that it’s a result of the collective dumbing down of our industry." Yep. And it's killing me, that only a few see & HEAR IT! (or want to freely admit it?) I'm always scared of coming off as the cranky old dude..."Back in my day!" But what I'm finding out is that cranky old dudes are often right.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jan 14, 2021 18:22:37 GMT -6
" cranky old dude "
John, it's not only you they're talking about! Haha I've been called worse...
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jan 14, 2021 18:31:10 GMT -6
You know all kidding aside, I'm a very honest person, and shoot directly from the hip with my clients. Sometimes, It's a good thing, and sometimes not so much. So be it.
I really don't care, I tell the truth, and they can do what they want with that info.
The fact is, I usually spell it out about the end results as I see them...
That said, Sometimes I tell them, I'm just gonna mix your project on the computer thru one of my summing mixers, Simply because they are "nit picky sons of bitches" and can't make up their minds so this will allow for multiple Exact recalls, over what I believe to be better sonics, and a better overall mix.
It's pretty funny to see the look on their faces when I describe it to them in that way.
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Post by OtisGreying on Jan 28, 2021 23:37:40 GMT -6
You used to hire professionals that knew how to record and you trusted them to do their jobs because they were good at it. But you ONLY hired those professionals when you had the songs worthy of recording. Now we are hiding turds in the chocolate factory. (I should trademark this). Before the proliferation of every 17 year old with a laptop and Maschine, people would have a budget to track and be there while tracking was happening. You were paying for studio time, so you needed to be prepared and know what you wanted - and be able To convey it or perform it. When that was done - except for the occasional overdub you would meet up with the mix engineer to sign off on mixes...or pay for revisions. And you were thrilled. Now everybody knows a little about everything. At least enough to think they know more about it than you do. So this environment isn’t built for the time and money it takes to track with a ton of hardware. This is the key point I find. Breaking down the financial barrier to making a record means less and less artists are going to feel the need to refine their product because the studio time is not precious and they no longer have to impress as many people (record companies, a&r) with their material in order to get the opportunity to record and earn that investment. The opportunity is available to everyone cheaply? Okay, well now I'm just gonna go ahead and record my half baked song on my laptop, because today's #1's are done ITB on laptops, and I'm gonna spend most of my time self-producing, releasing and promoting an underdeveloped product instead of pushing myself and refining my songwriting/talent because this is a highly competitive environment and the pressure is on with a lot of money and resources on the line and people waiting to take my spot. Meanwhile, peoples ears are dumbed down sonically and artistically. Competing for the opportunity to record really was a was a huge driving force in the artists competitive spirit to come into the studio with serious material.
-However I think this is ultimately a temporary phenomenon, ITB will catch up (eventually) and those artists who don't take the time to refine their sounds and more importantly their songs, will realize joining the soon-to-be-forgotten-not-that-good-but-can-cut-a-home-studio-record "artist" club is not gonna do them any good, that they're just basically hobbyists, raise their standards and either quit or start really pushing themselves which hopefully will mean getting more real professionals and real equipment back involved in the process.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 29, 2021 0:55:42 GMT -6
Let’s also focus on the good while being realistic I’m happy we have great affordable tools like DAWs & plugs. Let’s be happy we are still get paid ( yes, less than the golden era ) to record mix & master when music has been diluted to the nth degree. Wish we had a Union to get the pricing we deserve. W/o a DAW or plugins I would not have/ afford a studio. We are in a service business, & whether we like it or not the customer is “ always right “. There are def exceptions & circumstances to that lol. I get paid upfront, at worse 1/2 then 1/2. For one client, the producers, the manager, & the label was thrilled w/ V2 - V5 but the artist never was. I give my all & always put more work in than what Im paid for per mix/ master so to walk from that signed artist was hard. Artist ended up trying to sue me when I respectfully conceded after V5. Covid ate up most of my regulars. Had to stop dealing w/ another so things have been hit & miss for months. Working on a new website & YT vids & looking at other ways to bring in clients.
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 29, 2021 14:59:02 GMT -6
"So I guess my rambling point was that I agree with Nobtwiddler that it’s a result of the collective dumbing down of our industry." Yep. And it's killing me, that only a few see & HEAR IT! (or want to freely admit it?) I'm always scared of coming off as the cranky old dude..."Back in my day!" But what I'm finding out is that cranky old dudes are often right. I think the inescapable fact is "back in my day" the music business was the only show in town for young people. At the very heart of youth culture and youth fashion was live and recorded music. (I'm 58 this year) When I was 13 my parents would take me to the big record store and I'd go into a sound booth with headphones to choose the single I was going to spend my pocket money on. Can you imagine that now! When I was a bit older I'd go down to town to buy the latest album by Bowie, Pink Floyd etc etc and get home and play in ten thousand times end to end, paint the album cover on my wall, dress like my music hero's, get my mates around to listen and comment on every bar. It's all we had to revolve our cultural lives around. Music was the star we orbited around. Older still, we'd go to disco's (lol but it's true) love the music we danced to and go out and buy it! - Watch films, love the music and go out and buy it! Spend hours in long queues to buy concert tickets, go to endless local gigs to support local bands .... and buy their music too!
Now I look at my two teenage boys - music is a tiny side salad in their smorgasbord of "entertainment options" and they expect it to be free! They listen to music (including my wife) on mono internet devices like Alexa - it's back ground noise to their video gaming - mobile phone - social media obsessed lives.
I sit in my studio making music with great passion, pouring myself into writing the music - tweaking this - tweaking that - the perfect panning position (great on a mono Alexa) - hardware is better than software for tracking blah blah blah blah blah.
I think to myself, it's like I'm making this brilliant perfect 1/8th model out of matchsticks of the Titanic. Stunning but pointless.
Sigh .... at least it makes me happy - when I'm not ranting
I should add I've been a professional musician for the last 41 years so music has been kind to me, but I'm sad to see my boys missing out on the passion for music and bands/artists we had when we we're young.
The late 70's, 80's and early 90's were a golden time in popular music and it's central role in youth culture and our daily lives.
Do I sound old and cranky?
Probably.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 29, 2021 15:18:36 GMT -6
I'm always scared of coming off as the cranky old dude..."Back in my day!" But what I'm finding out is that cranky old dudes are often right. I think the inescapable fact is "back in my day" the music business was the only show in town for young people. At the very heart of youth culture and youth fashion was live and recorded music. (I'm 58 this year) When I was 13 my parents would take me to the big record store and I'd go into a sound booth with headphones to choose the single I was going to spend my pocket money on. Can you imagine that now! When I was a bit older I'd go down to town to buy the latest album by Bowie, Pink Floyd etc etc and get home and play in ten thousand times end to end, paint the album cover on my wall, dress like my music hero's, get my mates around to listen and comment on every bar. It's all we had to revolve our cultural lives around. Music was the star we orbited around. Older still, we'd go to disco's (lol but it's true) love the music we danced to and go out and buy it! - Watch films, love the music and go out and buy it! Spend hours in long queues to buy concert tickets, go to endless local gigs to support local bands .... and buy their music too!
Now I look at my two teenage boys - music is a tiny side salad in their smorgasbord of "entertainment options" and they expect it to be free! They listen to music (including my wife) on mono internet devices like Alexa - it's back ground noise to their video gaming - mobile phone - social media obsessed lives.
I sit in my studio making music with great passion, pouring myself into writing the music - tweaking this - tweaking that - the perfect panning position (great on a mono Alexa) - hardware is better than software for tracking blah blah blah blah blah.
I think to myself, it's like I'm making this brilliant perfect 1/8th model out of matchsticks of the Titanic. Stunning but pointless.
Sigh .... at least it makes me happy - when I'm not ranting
I should add I've been a professional musician for the last 41 years so music has been kind to me, but I'm sad to see my boys missing out on the passion for music and bands/artists we had when we we're young.
The late 70's, 80's and early 90's were a golden time in popular music and it's central role in youth culture and our daily lives.
Do I sound old and cranky?
Probably.
I think there are a lot of kids today that are still into music. Billie Eilish and Post Malone seem to be doing pretty well. Music has mostly just shifted from guitar music to electronic music.
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 29, 2021 16:04:26 GMT -6
I think the inescapable fact is "back in my day" the music business was the only show in town for young people. At the very heart of youth culture and youth fashion was live and recorded music. (I'm 58 this year) When I was 13 my parents would take me to the big record store and I'd go into a sound booth with headphones to choose the single I was going to spend my pocket money on. Can you imagine that now! When I was a bit older I'd go down to town to buy the latest album by Bowie, Pink Floyd etc etc and get home and play in ten thousand times end to end, paint the album cover on my wall, dress like my music hero's, get my mates around to listen and comment on every bar. It's all we had to revolve our cultural lives around. Music was the star we orbited around. Older still, we'd go to disco's (lol but it's true) love the music we danced to and go out and buy it! - Watch films, love the music and go out and buy it! Spend hours in long queues to buy concert tickets, go to endless local gigs to support local bands .... and buy their music too!
Now I look at my two teenage boys - music is a tiny side salad in their smorgasbord of "entertainment options" and they expect it to be free! They listen to music (including my wife) on mono internet devices like Alexa - it's back ground noise to their video gaming - mobile phone - social media obsessed lives.
I sit in my studio making music with great passion, pouring myself into writing the music - tweaking this - tweaking that - the perfect panning position (great on a mono Alexa) - hardware is better than software for tracking blah blah blah blah blah.
I think to myself, it's like I'm making this brilliant perfect 1/8th model out of matchsticks of the Titanic. Stunning but pointless.
Sigh .... at least it makes me happy - when I'm not ranting
I should add I've been a professional musician for the last 41 years so music has been kind to me, but I'm sad to see my boys missing out on the passion for music and bands/artists we had when we we're young.
The late 70's, 80's and early 90's were a golden time in popular music and it's central role in youth culture and our daily lives.
Do I sound old and cranky?
Probably.
I think there are a lot of kids today that are still into music. Billie Eilish and Post Malone seem to be doing pretty well. Music has mostly just shifted from guitar music to electronic music. That's good to hear, I just don't see it amongst the kids I know and on that basis I feel the shift is more than just the choice of instrument but something more fundamental.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 29, 2021 22:34:03 GMT -6
I'm always scared of coming off as the cranky old dude..."Back in my day!" But what I'm finding out is that cranky old dudes are often right. I think the inescapable fact is "back in my day" the music business was the only show in town for young people. At the very heart of youth culture and youth fashion was live and recorded music. (I'm 58 this year) When I was 13 my parents would take me to the big record store and I'd go into a sound booth with headphones to choose the single I was going to spend my pocket money on. Can you imagine that now! When I was a bit older I'd go down to town to buy the latest album by Bowie, Pink Floyd etc etc and get home and play in ten thousand times end to end, paint the album cover on my wall, dress like my music hero's, get my mates around to listen and comment on every bar. It's all we had to revolve our cultural lives around. Music was the star we orbited around. Older still, we'd go to disco's (lol but it's true) love the music we danced to and go out and buy it! - Watch films, love the music and go out and buy it! Spend hours in long queues to buy concert tickets, go to endless local gigs to support local bands .... and buy their music too!
Now I look at my two teenage boys - music is a tiny side salad in their smorgasbord of "entertainment options" and they expect it to be free! They listen to music (including my wife) on mono internet devices like Alexa - it's back ground noise to their video gaming - mobile phone - social media obsessed lives.
I sit in my studio making music with great passion, pouring myself into writing the music - tweaking this - tweaking that - the perfect panning position (great on a mono Alexa) - hardware is better than software for tracking blah blah blah blah blah.
I think to myself, it's like I'm making this brilliant perfect 1/8th model out of matchsticks of the Titanic. Stunning but pointless.
Sigh .... at least it makes me happy - when I'm not ranting
I should add I've been a professional musician for the last 41 years so music has been kind to me, but I'm sad to see my boys missing out on the passion for music and bands/artists we had when we we're young.
The late 70's, 80's and early 90's were a golden time in popular music and it's central role in youth culture and our daily lives.
Do I sound old and cranky?
Probably.
This is such a touching post. Thank you for it. Beautiful and wistful. I’m inclined to agree that the underappreciated problem we face in our industry is the amount of competition from other sources of entertainment and technologies that vie for our attention. One of the great tasks of our musical age—at least as I see it—is reminding and educating people of what music does for the human spirit. Reminding people that there is value for their souls in this art form. That life is richer and more enjoyable when we stop watching people opening their new gadgets and toys on YouTube and instead open our ears and imaginations to the world of music.
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Post by OtisGreying on Jan 30, 2021 7:44:16 GMT -6
I think the inescapable fact is "back in my day" the music business was the only show in town for young people. At the very heart of youth culture and youth fashion was live and recorded music. (I'm 58 this year) When I was 13 my parents would take me to the big record store and I'd go into a sound booth with headphones to choose the single I was going to spend my pocket money on. Can you imagine that now! When I was a bit older I'd go down to town to buy the latest album by Bowie, Pink Floyd etc etc and get home and play in ten thousand times end to end, paint the album cover on my wall, dress like my music hero's, get my mates around to listen and comment on every bar. It's all we had to revolve our cultural lives around. Music was the star we orbited around. Older still, we'd go to disco's (lol but it's true) love the music we danced to and go out and buy it! - Watch films, love the music and go out and buy it! Spend hours in long queues to buy concert tickets, go to endless local gigs to support local bands .... and buy their music too!
Now I look at my two teenage boys - music is a tiny side salad in their smorgasbord of "entertainment options" and they expect it to be free! They listen to music (including my wife) on mono internet devices like Alexa - it's back ground noise to their video gaming - mobile phone - social media obsessed lives.
I sit in my studio making music with great passion, pouring myself into writing the music - tweaking this - tweaking that - the perfect panning position (great on a mono Alexa) - hardware is better than software for tracking blah blah blah blah blah.
I think to myself, it's like I'm making this brilliant perfect 1/8th model out of matchsticks of the Titanic. Stunning but pointless.
Sigh .... at least it makes me happy - when I'm not ranting
I should add I've been a professional musician for the last 41 years so music has been kind to me, but I'm sad to see my boys missing out on the passion for music and bands/artists we had when we we're young.
The late 70's, 80's and early 90's were a golden time in popular music and it's central role in youth culture and our daily lives.
Do I sound old and cranky?
Probably.
This is such a touching post. Thank you for it. Beautiful and wistful. I’m inclined to agree that the underappreciated problem we face in our industry is the amount of competition from other sources of entertainment and technologies that vie for our attention. One of the great tasks of our musical age—at least as I see it—is reminding and educating people of what music does for the human spirit. Reminding people that there is value for their souls in this art form. That life is richer and more enjoyable when we stop watching people opening their new gadgets and toys on YouTube and instead open our ears and imaginations to the world of music. Yeah the mindless YouTube reaction video/unboxing and scrolling for 6 second video craze we're in is pretty nutty. So much attention being spent on extremely unimpressive content but it's the way things are right now. Half my family is on that binge with no end in sight. I know this and even I admit I watch probably 2-3 hours a week of a youtuber playing one of my favorite video games. I don't play the video game anymore, I just watch this really good guy play... Lol!
The vehicle for music will always be the artists and the quality of their records. Innovation and young talent is ultimately the only thing that will attract the youth - its what attracted me, really cool songs and really cool artists performing in super cool ways. I wish labels backed less mindless garbage music but I think with Spotify one advantage is that the labels will disintegrate and more innovative music is going to be taking the spotlight and surface as the algorithm takes no favorites (at least much less favorites than radio and tv did).
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2021 10:31:15 GMT -6
Feel very lucky to have come of age in the 60’s and enjoyed 70-20’s music and great bands.
There are good bands and music out there but I don’t hear much that grabs me viscerally like bands use to?
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Post by nudwig on Mar 23, 2021 12:43:02 GMT -6
A buddy lent me his vintage 2254 pair and was processing some drum loops, thought I'd compare against the UAD 2254's. Only 2 versions directly compare HW and SW with the 3:1 being a better test, the 'Blown Up' I couldn't really get the plugin close. The 'OUT' is the raw file. Not super scientific as the output gains have drifted and need service but I tried to steady the image and matched outputs with GainMatch, thought I'd put them up incase anyone else was curious. www.dropbox.com/sh/tbd1w9jtoky8bqz/AACMCm0KqmBEu87Ns4SYSmFCa?dl=0
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 23, 2021 16:14:14 GMT -6
A buddy lent me his vintage 2254 pair and was processing some drum loops, thought I'd compare against the UAD 2254's. Only 2 versions directly compare HW and SW with the 3:1 being a better test, the 'Blown Up' I couldn't really get the plugin close. The 'OUT' is the raw file. Not super scientific as the output gains have drifted and need service but I tried to steady the image and matched outputs with GainMatch, thought I'd put them up incase anyone else was curious. www.dropbox.com/sh/tbd1w9jtoky8bqz/AACMCm0KqmBEu87Ns4SYSmFCa?dl=0
The blown example is obvious that the plug in is not handling this well. For the other example I can live with either one....
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 23, 2021 16:29:01 GMT -6
I'm always scared of coming off as the cranky old dude..."Back in my day!" But what I'm finding out is that cranky old dudes are often right. I think the inescapable fact is "back in my day" the music business was the only show in town for young people. At the very heart of youth culture and youth fashion was live and recorded music. (I'm 58 this year) When I was 13 my parents would take me to the big record store and I'd go into a sound booth with headphones to choose the single I was going to spend my pocket money on. Can you imagine that now! When I was a bit older I'd go down to town to buy the latest album by Bowie, Pink Floyd etc etc and get home and play in ten thousand times end to end, paint the album cover on my wall, dress like my music hero's, get my mates around to listen and comment on every bar. It's all we had to revolve our cultural lives around. Music was the star we orbited around. Older still, we'd go to disco's (lol but it's true) love the music we danced to and go out and buy it! - Watch films, love the music and go out and buy it! Spend hours in long queues to buy concert tickets, go to endless local gigs to support local bands .... and buy their music too!
Now I look at my two teenage boys - music is a tiny side salad in their smorgasbord of "entertainment options" and they expect it to be free! They listen to music (including my wife) on mono internet devices like Alexa - it's back ground noise to their video gaming - mobile phone - social media obsessed lives.
I sit in my studio making music with great passion, pouring myself into writing the music - tweaking this - tweaking that - the perfect panning position (great on a mono Alexa) - hardware is better than software for tracking blah blah blah blah blah.
I think to myself, it's like I'm making this brilliant perfect 1/8th model out of matchsticks of the Titanic. Stunning but pointless.
Sigh .... at least it makes me happy - when I'm not ranting
I should add I've been a professional musician for the last 41 years so music has been kind to me, but I'm sad to see my boys missing out on the passion for music and bands/artists we had when we we're young.
The late 70's, 80's and early 90's were a golden time in popular music and it's central role in youth culture and our daily lives.
Do I sound old and cranky?
Probably.
I work with kids and every generation has its own music. Listen to Billy Eilish and tell me it's bad?
No, it's not. Most of it is a smart arrangement, it has a style, her own style - I bet she is able to play an instrument. The act was born on a laptop in the bedroom with her brother.
The DAW-Laptop is just the logical extension of Hendrixs Electricladyland fetish. Just a few years later we had Lynn Drums, the synth pop 80s hype and Hip Hop came around.
90s back to Rock a bit, but with a different sound. Techno...became an own market in the end of the 90s till now.
Now there is a new generation doing something in between the lines. I love to see things going its own way.
I love to see kids doing their own thing, without being judged for it by the older generations.
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