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Post by yotonic on Dec 28, 2020 0:51:11 GMT -6
I can't stand the "player" GUI for itunes. I can barely see the transport controls, or volume. Are there any plug-ins or alternatives that have more of a "Logic", or "Pro-Tools" kind of transport for playing back MP3s on the Mac? Even an Audacity style transport would be a huge improvement.
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Post by roundbadge on Dec 28, 2020 1:28:10 GMT -6
I really like Tidal.MQA streaming[Master Quality Audio]mainly because it sonically blows away iTunes and shitafy
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 28, 2020 1:59:59 GMT -6
I really like Tidal.MQA streaming[Master Quality Audio]mainly because it sonically blows away iTunes and shitafy Is that w/ the same playback files? Meaning comparing 24 bit Wav on each platform? I think some DSP you have to buy the ability to stream HQ Wav. Always heard lots of ppl recommend Tidal! Is there anywhere to buy actual HQ wavs the ME made/ printed/ captured w/o DSP encoding?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 28, 2020 2:30:04 GMT -6
If the iTunes Player on Mac you can kind of customize the layout window. U can shrink it to a transport player but It’s more of a CD player lthan PT or LPX transport. This is on my MBP running older ITunes 12. Xx on El Cap.
I haven’t found a way on iPad / iPhones other than selecting the file where it takes up the whole phone screen but it the same type of CD player control.
Side note / Slight OT: I would like the ITunes Store to offer HQ Wav for purchase instead of Apple Digital Masters AAC’s or non ADM AACs. To be an Apple Digital Master the source file has to be 24 bit or 32 bit, 44.1-192kHz file. No up sampled files. No 16 bit files upped to 24 bit. ADM recommends using 24 bit 96 kHz source files w/ 1 dB of headroom for best encoding results. (-1.0 dbfs peak )
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Post by yotonic on Dec 28, 2020 2:35:50 GMT -6
I really like Tidal.MQA streaming[Master Quality Audio]mainly because it sonically blows away iTunes and shitafy Can you drag your own music files, demos, Mp3 clips into Tidal?
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Post by roundbadge on Dec 28, 2020 5:15:37 GMT -6
I really like Tidal.MQA streaming[Master Quality Audio]mainly because it sonically blows away iTunes and shitafy Can you drag your own music files, demos, Mp3 clips into Tidal? no unfortunately you can't. On my laptop I've been listening to Tidal through a really good DAC [Mytek] and hi end headphones and it is amazing.for my iPhone I'm using an Ifi XDSD portable dac/amp.worlds better than the iPhone output. theres a whole crazy world of high end headphones,streaming amps, etc out there. I auditioned the $5k Abyss 1622 headphones through a custom tube headphone amp and it was an unreal experience.
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Post by roundbadge on Dec 28, 2020 5:17:54 GMT -6
I really like Tidal.MQA streaming[Master Quality Audio]mainly because it sonically blows away iTunes and shitafy Is there anywhere to buy actual HQ wavs the ME made/ printed/ captured w/o DSP encoding? Not sure.good question!
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Post by ericn on Dec 28, 2020 10:20:35 GMT -6
Can you drag your own music files, demos, Mp3 clips into Tidal? no unfortunately you can't. On my laptop I've been listening to Tidal through a really good DAC [Mytek] and hi end headphones and it is amazing.for my iPhone I'm using an Ifi XDSD portable dac/amp.worlds better than the iPhone output. theres a whole crazy world of high end headphones,streaming amps, etc out there. I auditioned the $5k Abyss 1622 headphones through a custom tube headphone amp and it was an unreal experience. Crappy Holidays my friend, Tidal Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ through a pair of STAX ESL’s is all you will ever need. Well that a Big Class A amp and a collection of reference quality speakers. Bang for the $ use the project Audio ore box digital. Even in the Tesla the detail between iTunes and Tidal is night and day.. Can you bring your own stuff to the party? No but once you stream some old favorites from pre MP3 days iTunes becomes your back up streamer. Even the kid won’t use iTunes for any of the highly processed K-pop.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 11:08:50 GMT -6
Somebody convinced me to convert to Jriver on Black Friday. I use Jriver with digital volume control disabled, Sox resampling, and a good third party dither. Then Jriver can approach a daw‘s sound quality. Every other media player I’ve tried sucks soundwise even though Jriver is 64-bit float and doesn’t hand off the pcm directly to the interface like a CD player.
The dither is necessary to prevent truncation distortion.
The jriver signal path is 1. Flac, alac, or wav file 2. Decoded flac or alac in memory. This is very important because the Flac codec clips worse than standard pcm even if it’s lossless. You don’t want a clipped file to clip the codec too. 3. File to 64 bit float pcm converted by SoX. 4. Dither set to whatever your drivers receive. Usually 24 or 32 fixed bit pcm now. You’ll want to use ASIO on Windows because DirectSound is crap. On Mac you need dither too because CoreAudio is 32-bit float but truncates when it hands it off to the interface drivers. Ideally your interface drivers will let you bypass this float to fixed conversion in MacOS.
The dither prevents distortion and preserves detail. Without it, or with the stock jriver dither, you lose details.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 1, 2021 18:10:02 GMT -6
foobar2000 all day, every day
FREE
for everything other than streaming. it will play any local audio file you have. It is also customizable and low footprint. It's the software of dreams.
For clarity, I have only used the Windows version, but they do have a Mac version for download.
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Post by popmann on Jan 8, 2021 12:39:50 GMT -6
I really like Tidal.MQA streaming[Master Quality Audio]mainly because it sonically blows away iTunes and shitafy edit Is there anywhere to buy actual HQ wavs the ME made/ printed/ captured w/o DSP encoding? You've always been able to buy them. I've yet to see ANY Tidal MQA that wasn't for sale at HDTracks our Quobuz or AcousticSOunds(RIP-they stopped selling digital files Jan1). I've never used them but also ProStudioMasters. There ARE places selling some MQA discs, but who has a MQA disc player? Without it--it's a CD--no advantage, so.... That said, the MQA "DSP" as you put it can be a better sound for 24/44 and 24/48 masters. As in delivering a LOT better sound using a standard 192khz DAC. Once you get to double rate content, it changes it and I don't find it as globally "better sounding"....and 192, you can't play it back without a proprietary MQA DAC, where you've been able to do 192khz on consumer audio gear at least since the DVD-Audio push of say 2001--so I've never heard it, but the only 192khz content is 1970s tape transfers anyway. While it's not "better" than actual HD--I think people get hung up on "their changing it...." as a negative. I know there's all kinds of money grab BS involved with MQA, which is wholly a bad idea....BUT....that doesn't mean that the DSP itself is a negative.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 8, 2021 14:05:34 GMT -6
The prize of my digital collection is a 75 disc collection of Blue Note jazz albums in 192/24 lossless. I had an MQA DAC for a while, and it was "neat," but I didn't like the DAC, which kind of broke the deal. I didn't think DSD was "special" either in my listening tests. Now I just run the DAC at 192 at all times, regardless of the file type.
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Post by dagogo on Jan 20, 2021 9:06:01 GMT -6
Ok, here's a question with a lot of qualifiers: If you have a large lossless library and use an itunes alternative (jriver, etc), BUT also have an iphone and have a new mac that doesn't have itunes (catalina/Big Sur)....are you essentially forced to maintain 2 separate music libraries? Just powered up a new 21.5 Imac last night...Catalina and Apple Music. Since no itunes, there is no longer any way to share my library with other computers that run itunes unless I subscribe to Apple Music for $10/month (i'm not). So now I need another home sharing program/solution i.e. Jriver or ? I also don't think it's realistic to sync our iphones any other way than using apple music, so still planning to have primary music library be the old itunes library within Apple Music. I am not sure how to reconcile these two goals with a single library (sharing/syncing phones). Or am I missing something? Can these other players simply read the same folder that your Apple music library is in?
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 20, 2021 9:26:05 GMT -6
Ok, here's a question with a lot of qualifiers: If you have a large lossless library and use an itunes alternative (jriver, etc), BUT also have an iphone and have a new mac that doesn't have itunes (catalina/Big Sur)....are you essentially forced to maintain 2 separate music libraries? Just powered up a new 21.5 Imac last night...Catalina and Apple Music. Since no itunes, there is no longer any way to share my library with other computers that run itunes unless I subscribe to Apple Music for $10/month (i'm not). So now I need another home sharing program/solution i.e. Jriver or ? I also don't think it's realistic to sync our iphones any other way than using apple music, so still planning to have primary music library be the old itunes library within Apple Music. I am not sure how to reconcile these two goals with a single library (sharing/syncing phones). Or am I missing something? Can these other players simply read the same folder that your Apple music library is in? I don’t know about the “other player” aspect of your question, but iTunes Match ($25/yr) will let you sync playlists (and content) between computers. Including everything you upload
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Post by dagogo on Jan 20, 2021 12:48:59 GMT -6
I forgot about itunes match but reviewing it appears all songs get uploaded to the cloud and then you stream. I'm sure they wouldn't be stored losslessly...and I don't really want to stream but simply play the actual lossless files as I always have. It also says you now need to subscribe to Apple Music to purchase "match".
Near as I can tell, the main diff between "Music" and "itunes" is that they removed the ability to share media between LAN computers with Music unless you pay them $10/month.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 20, 2021 16:42:29 GMT -6
I forgot about itunes match but reviewing it appears all songs get uploaded to the cloud and then you stream. I'm sure they wouldn't be stored losslessly...and I don't really want to stream but simply play the actual lossless files as I always have. It also says you now need to subscribe to Apple Music to purchase "match". Near as I can tell, the main diff between "Music" and "itunes" is that they removed the ability to share media between LAN computers with Music unless you pay them $10/month. If you’re on a LAN, you can just share your music library that way. In System Preferences
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Post by pouletdegrains on Jan 20, 2021 19:07:05 GMT -6
Ok, here's a question with a lot of qualifiers: If you have a large lossless library and use an itunes alternative (jriver, etc), BUT also have an iphone and have a new mac that doesn't have itunes (catalina/Big Sur)....are you essentially forced to maintain 2 separate music libraries? Just powered up a new 21.5 Imac last night...Catalina and Apple Music. Since no itunes, there is no longer any way to share my library with other computers that run itunes unless I subscribe to Apple Music for $10/month (i'm not). So now I need another home sharing program/solution i.e. Jriver or ? I also don't think it's realistic to sync our iphones any other way than using apple music, so still planning to have primary music library be the old itunes library within Apple Music. I am not sure how to reconcile these two goals with a single library (sharing/syncing phones). Or am I missing something? Can these other players simply read the same folder that your Apple music library is in? I organize my Hi-res files in iTunes and sync them to my iPhone with it. However I use JRiver to play them. You only have to point JRiver to the folder where iTunes stores the files: the software will create its own library in Library/ApplicationSupport without copying the files, only referencing it. When I make changes on iTunes (adding files, modifying tags), JRiver updates it automatically, without any actions required on my part. IMO the sonic difference between iTunes and JRiver is night and day. JRiver has to be set up right thought and it takes time to set up all parameters to taste. I recommend you the pieces of advice given by Dan above: this is the configuration I got the best results with.
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Post by dagogo on Jan 20, 2021 20:24:53 GMT -6
If you’re on a LAN, you can just share your music library that way. In System Preferences Are you suggesting simply sharing the files via file sharing? In other words simply point the library on each individual machine to the main or server computer library file? I thought itunes was pretty particular in terms of needing a singular library file. However I use JRiver to play them. You only have to point JRiver to the folder where iTunes stores the files: the software will create its own library in Library/ApplicationSupport without copying the files, only referencing it. When I make changes on iTunes (adding files, modifying tags), JRiver updates it automatically, without any actions required on my part.That's what I was unsure of based on the reading I did but just what I was hoping for! I will probably give it a try then. If it sounds better than itunes then a bonus too. Does anyone know offhand if jriver plays nice between OS and windows? My library will be on the mac but my studio machine is windows. I think I read that it does but my brain is mush lately.
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Post by pouletdegrains on Jan 20, 2021 21:37:39 GMT -6
If you’re on a LAN, you can just share your music library that way. In System Preferences Are you suggesting simply sharing the files via file sharing? In other words simply point the library on each individual machine to the main or server computer library file? I thought itunes was pretty particular in terms of needing a singular library file. However I use JRiver to play them. You only have to point JRiver to the folder where iTunes stores the files: the software will create its own library in Library/ApplicationSupport without copying the files, only referencing it. When I make changes on iTunes (adding files, modifying tags), JRiver updates it automatically, without any actions required on my part.That's what I was unsure of based on the reading I did but just what I was hoping for! I will probably give it a try then. If it sounds better than itunes then a bonus too. Does anyone know offhand if jriver plays nice between OS and windows? My library will be on the mac but my studio machine is windows. I think I read that it does but my brain is mush lately. I have no experience with JRiver on Windows, I only use it on Mac computers. I have never experienced any problem, the application feels very well coded.
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