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Post by gouge on Apr 25, 2021 22:08:28 GMT -6
Ive had a couple of email chats with carlos because i was chasing the vintage tuned version.
He told me vintage version is the new standard. But check with him.. im about to press the button on another so i have 2 when orders are filled.
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Post by cserrano on Apr 26, 2021 0:15:40 GMT -6
Hey you all! Thanks Ward!  All the Serrano 87's that sold in the past few months have a standard darker top end much like your typical 70s/80s vintage Neumann U87. This darker tuning is the default now. When first released the Serrano 87s had a brighter tuning by default (but not as bright as the modern Neumann U87AI.) Since switching to the darker tuning about 20% of customers still request the brighter tuning. I suspect only when you compare the brighter versus the darker side by side, might you think the brighter version is "too bright." And regarding Mark's Serrano 87: He wanted it even darker so I darkened it by another "5%" or so. This week I am hoping to ship all past orders of the Serrano 87. I have been waiting on the custom transformer and it is expected to be here this week. Transformer laminations have been in short supply and it has taken an extraordinary long time to get a new batch of the SER-T13 transformers. Going forward, the plan is for the Serrano 87 to ALWAYS be in stock! |
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Post by OtisGreying on Jun 29, 2021 4:34:38 GMT -6
What's the consensus on 87's for piano recording? I'm looking for a pair of great mics for piano, any July 4th sale planned?? Seriously considering a pair of these after listening to the clips. Sounds great!
Also, will there be a Serrano km84 in the near future? Or 56... That'd be awesome.
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Post by plinker on Jun 29, 2021 12:14:32 GMT -6
What's the consensus on 87's for piano recording? I'm looking for a pair of great mics for piano, any July 4th sale planned?? Seriously considering a pair of these after listening to the clips. Sounds great!
Also, will there be a Serrano km84 in the near future? Or 56... That'd be awesome.
It's hard to imagine my SU87 not sounding great on piano -- or anything else for that matter. That being said, the JZ Amethyst is also a contender, and currently on sale. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 29, 2021 12:22:56 GMT -6
What's the consensus on 87's for piano recording? I'm looking for a pair of great mics for piano, any July 4th sale planned?? Seriously considering a pair of these after listening to the clips. Sounds great!
Also, will there be a Serrano km84 in the near future? Or 56... That'd be awesome.
Old 87’s in a nice room on piano is a no brainer, Serranos should work fine. I would talk to the man about a nicely matched pair and why though. |
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Post by cserrano on Jun 30, 2021 11:51:40 GMT -6
What's the consensus on 87's for piano recording? I'm looking for a pair of great mics for piano, any July 4th sale planned?? Seriously considering a pair of these after listening to the clips. Sounds great!
Also, will there be a Serrano km84 in the near future? Or 56... That'd be awesome.
I know of several pianists currently using a pair of the Serrano 87s for piano. TJ Lindgren posted this recording in which he used his pair of Serrano 87s on piano. And yes, the Serrano 84 is coming (see picture below)! Soon enough I will start a dedicate thread for it which will include a ONE-TIME opportunity to pre-order for a very significant discount. Attachments:
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Post by ragan on Jun 30, 2021 11:58:33 GMT -6
NICE
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Post by Ward on Jun 30, 2021 12:28:07 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Jun 30, 2021 12:51:23 GMT -6
What's the consensus on 87's for piano recording? I'm looking for a pair of great mics for piano, any July 4th sale planned?? Seriously considering a pair of these after listening to the clips. Sounds great!
Also, will there be a Serrano km84 in the near future? Or 56... That'd be awesome.
I know of several pianists currently using a pair of the Serrano 87s for piano. TJ Lindgren posted this recording in which he used his pair of Serrano 87s on piano. And yes, the Serrano 84 is coming (see picture below)! Soon enough I will start a dedicate thread for it which will include a ONE-TIME opportunity to pre-order for a very significant discount. Ugh....as much as I like Serrano's 87, that picture does NOT give me hope. The 87 is way easier to duplicate than the 84 IMO. And that looks suspiciously like an MXL 603. I don't care what's INside it - the capsule head is a giveaway. Hope I'm wrong. REALLY hope I'm wrong. When it comes to 84's I admit to being a skeptic. |
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Post by craigmorris74 on Jun 30, 2021 13:22:47 GMT -6
After a lot of testing of sdc's, folks at Groupdiy determined a critical factor is the Neumann backplate (straight perpendicular grooves). Everyone else I've seen is using a backplate with circular, concentric grooves (not sure about the Warm). This is probably the determining factor in determining off axis response. Another factor in top end response is the vents behind the capsule.
It shouldn't be that hard to get the backplate correct, but almost no one does. I've thought about designing one that is 3D printable.
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Post by cserrano on Jun 30, 2021 13:24:20 GMT -6
I know of several pianists currently using a pair of the Serrano 87s for piano. TJ Lindgren posted this recording in which he used his pair of Serrano 87s on piano. And yes, the Serrano 84 is coming (see picture below)! Soon enough I will start a dedicate thread for it which will include a ONE-TIME opportunity to pre-order for a very significant discount. Ugh....as much as I like Serrano's 87, that picture does NOT give me hope. The 87 is way easier to duplicate than the 84 IMO. And that looks suspiciously like an MXL 603. I don't care what's INside it - the capsule head is a giveaway. Hope I'm wrong. REALLY hope I'm wrong. When it comes to 84's I admit to being a skeptic. Hey drbill! :-) I understand your skepticism, it is warranted. And I realize that I just opened up a can of worms by posting pictures of something that isn't released yet, but I hope you will hang in there with me until you can actually hear it. For what it's worth, just like with the Serrano 87, I promise that I have not been rushing the development of Serrano 84 nor made compromises to its sound quality. I can share that the Serrano 84 will use a custom capsule that no other microphone is using or has used before. I can also confirm that the circuit is 100% faithful to the KM84 and has nothing to do with the MXL 603 or any other budget SDC. And finally, while I can confirm that the Serrano 84 body is not the same body of the MXL 603, which I believe is made by Alctron, the outer metal work dimensions for the Serrano 84 are similar -- but again, this is just the outer metal-work. That's probably the most I can responsibly share at this point. Stay tuned. Hopefully I haven't derailed this thread too much from the Serrano 87. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 30, 2021 13:38:07 GMT -6
Ugh....as much as I like Serrano's 87, that picture does NOT give me hope. The 87 is way easier to duplicate than the 84 IMO. And that looks suspiciously like an MXL 603. I don't care what's INside it - the capsule head is a giveaway. Hope I'm wrong. REALLY hope I'm wrong. When it comes to 84's I admit to being a skeptic. Hey drbill! :-) I understand your skepticism, it is warranted. And I realize that I just opened up a can of worms by posting pictures of something that isn't released yet, but I hope you will hang in there with me until you can actually hear it. I can share that the Serrano 84 will use a custom capsule that no other microphone is using or has used before. I can also confirm that the circuit is 100% faithful to the KM84 and has nothing to do with the MXL 603 or any other budget SDC. And finally, while I can confirm that the Serrano 84 body is not the same body of the MXL 603, which I believe is made by Alctron, the outer metal work dimensions for the Serrano 84 are similar -- but again, this is just the outer metal-work. That's probably the most I can responsibly share at this point. Stay tuned. Hopefully I haven't derailed this thread from the Serrano 87. AWESOME cserrano !! Will hold out hope. Hope you get the off-axis response and proximity very close to a real 84. (fingers crossed). If it's as legit a contender as your 87 is, your might want to consider sourcing another body, or have a custom body made as you will sell a boatload of them. There is a LOT of bad blood / skepticism regarding that particular body / style. I know it's probably the most cost effective solution, but IMO, not a solution that I would personally prefer. Other guys will want the cheapest / fastest option no doubt. PS - still hoping to get a matched pair of 87's at some point. Other home priorities right now,,,,,,, Cheers, bp |
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Post by plinker on Jun 30, 2021 17:16:27 GMT -6
Big things are afoot at the Circle K!
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Post by superwack on Jun 30, 2021 18:30:25 GMT -6
Agree with dr.bill - it’s about the proximity and off axis response. I know the Serrano 87 went through some voicing changes lemme just ask that you please go for the classic 84. Nobody wants an 84 with a rise in the high frequency or a bump in another place or a rolloff, etc. Can’t wait to try these - looking forward to the announcement
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Post by notneeson on Jun 30, 2021 18:33:08 GMT -6
Really loving the Serrano 87 here, FWIW.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 30, 2021 21:51:28 GMT -6
What's the consensus on 87's for piano recording? I'm looking for a pair of great mics for piano, any July 4th sale planned?? Seriously considering a pair of these after listening to the clips. Sounds great!
Also, will there be a Serrano km84 in the near future? Or 56... That'd be awesome.
I know of several pianists currently using a pair of the Serrano 87s for piano. TJ Lindgren posted this recording in which he used his pair of Serrano 87s on piano. And yes, the Serrano 84 is coming (see picture below)! Soon enough I will start a dedicate thread for it which will include a ONE-TIME opportunity to pre-order for a very significant discount. My curiosity is peaked! |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 30, 2021 22:25:08 GMT -6
What's the consensus on 87's for piano recording? I'm looking for a pair of great mics for piano, any July 4th sale planned?? Seriously considering a pair of these after listening to the clips. Sounds great!
Also, will there be a Serrano km84 in the near future? Or 56... That'd be awesome.
I know of several pianists currently using a pair of the Serrano 87s for piano. TJ Lindgren posted this recording in which he used his pair of Serrano 87s on piano. And yes, the Serrano 84 is coming (see picture below)! Soon enough I will start a dedicate thread for it which will include a ONE-TIME opportunity to pre-order for a very significant discount. I'll definitely be on that pre-order list! |
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Post by gouge on Jul 1, 2021 3:17:46 GMT -6
Me too.
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Post by ericn on Jul 1, 2021 14:48:42 GMT -6
Ugh....as much as I like Serrano's 87, that picture does NOT give me hope. The 87 is way easier to duplicate than the 84 IMO. And that looks suspiciously like an MXL 603. I don't care what's INside it - the capsule head is a giveaway. Hope I'm wrong. REALLY hope I'm wrong. When it comes to 84's I admit to being a skeptic. Hey drbill! :-) I understand your skepticism, it is warranted. And I realize that I just opened up a can of worms by posting pictures of something that isn't released yet, but I hope you will hang in there with me until you can actually hear it. For what it's worth, just like with the Serrano 87, I promise that I have not been rushing the development of Serrano 84 nor made compromises to its sound quality. I can share that the Serrano 84 will use a custom capsule that no other microphone is using or has used before. I can also confirm that the circuit is 100% faithful to the KM84 and has nothing to do with the MXL 603 or any other budget SDC. And finally, while I can confirm that the Serrano 84 body is not the same body of the MXL 603, which I believe is made by Alctron, the outer metal work dimensions for the Serrano 84 are similar -- but again, this is just the outer metal-work. That's probably the most I can responsibly share at this point. Stay tuned. Hopefully I haven't derailed this thread too much from the Serrano 87. One very simple 84 question, are the threads the same as on the Neumann? |
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Post by hadaja on Jul 1, 2021 17:53:21 GMT -6
One very simple 84 question, are the threads the same as on the Neumann? Hey now thats a great option. Imagine just buying the body so you can put on your neumann kk84, kk85, kk83 caps. is this something that can be offered as an option? Also have you got any actual km84’s of your own to model off? And/or do you need to borrow a couple to help in your process? PM me if you need to. Cheers |
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Post by superwack on Jul 1, 2021 17:57:22 GMT -6
One very simple 84 question, are the threads the same as on the Neumann? Hey now thats a great option. Imagine just buying the body so you can put on your neumann kk84, kk85, kk83 caps. is this something that can be offered as an option? Also have you got any actual km84’s of your own to model off? And/or do you need to borrow a couple to help in your process? PM me if you need to. Cheers I remember Warm touting that their '84' fit the neumann capsules but then when it was actually released it no longer did. They later explained it was due to cost of manufacturing. If the Serrano did fit it would be awesome to test the mic: Serrano with KK84 vs Neumann Body with Serrano Cap back-and-forth tweaking the design until they are as close as possible. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 1, 2021 18:15:39 GMT -6
Hey now thats a great option. Imagine just buying the body so you can put on your neumann kk84, kk85, kk83 caps. is this something that can be offered as an option? Also have you got any actual km84’s of your own to model off? And/or do you need to borrow a couple to help in your process? PM me if you need to. Cheers I remember Warm touting that their '84' fit the neumann capsules but then when it was actually released it no longer did. They later explained it was due to cost of manufacturing. If the Serrano did fit it would be awesome to test the mic: Serrano with KK84 vs Neumann Body with Serrano Cap back-and-forth tweaking the design until they are as close as possible. I was so pissed when they did that. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 1, 2021 21:20:52 GMT -6
One very simple 84 question, are the threads the same as on the Neumann? Hey now thats a great option. Imagine just buying the body so you can put on your neumann kk84, kk85, kk83 caps. is this something that can be offered as an option? Also have you got any actual km84’s of your own to model off? And/or do you need to borrow a couple to help in your process? PM me if you need to. Cheers He gets me he really really gets me! |
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Post by gouge on Jul 1, 2021 21:34:20 GMT -6
While we are at it. Can someone clone the schoeps mic
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Post by ericn on Jul 1, 2021 21:38:13 GMT -6
While we are at it. Can someone clone the schoeps mic Probably ( I was going to say sure but that might seam like a pun), but other than price why? They still make them and in the world of Schoeps most prefer the new ones! |
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