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Post by Ward on Nov 9, 2020 6:45:06 GMT -6
Anyone using either of those two social media platforms?
My handle there is Ward Pike. Looking for some of you-all.
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Post by seawell on Nov 20, 2020 23:48:49 GMT -6
I'm on Parler - @midaugust
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Post by Ward on Nov 21, 2020 7:55:10 GMT -6
I'm on Parler - @midaugust Gotcha! |
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2021 20:05:27 GMT -6
Anyone using either of those two social media platforms? My handle there is Ward Pike. Looking for some of you-all. - never gave this (Parler) much thought until the last couple of days when media companies in the US seem to be hell bent on erasing free speech and differing opinion out of existence. Got it for my iPhone this evening. Is it available for laptops / desktops, cause I can't find it in either my desktop or laptop apple app stores. |
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Post by M57 on Jan 8, 2021 20:54:54 GMT -6
The media is against free speech?? "..out of existence?" hyperbolic rhetoric. Big media is trying to protect itself. Make no mistake, after what just happened, media, including big social media are simply trying to show that they can self-regulate. But it won't matter. There are just too many players out there that don't understand that freedom of speech doesn't include freedom to incite and plan insurrection and murder. Regulation is coming to the industry.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 8, 2021 21:49:05 GMT -6
That and it's still a platform that you as a user agree to terms of usage so they can do whatever they want. Just like John can ban anyone he wants on this platform.
Palour will end up the same soon enough. Once they start being held liable for certain things.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2021 0:39:16 GMT -6
Four companies basically own the internet. Now they’re threatening to ban Parler from Apple and I believe Google already has. This is all incredibly frightening. There are no other alternatives to Apple and Google for app platforms. They are monopolies and at the very least should be broken up. But Twitter and other social media are more than just private companies. They are public space. They are today’s newspapers. Banning people for differing political beliefs is a violation of our freedom of speech. Now - here, it’s just a rule...no politics. I’m really thinking I should lock this because it’s teetering that direction.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 9, 2021 0:53:05 GMT -6
Twitter isn't a "pulbic space". it's a privately owned and operated company and users agree to their terms to use the platform they provide. Same with Facebook, Youtube, Google, ect. They are providing a tool for people to talk. But they can control it however they see fit. Plenty of people in the world don't know what "freedom of speech" even is or get to enjoy that. We can regardless of what platform if you're even using a platform to enjoy it. But the platform can dictate how that goes down, just like how you can lock this thread because you don't want politics talked about.
I'm sure that things will change to your point on the monopoly, I think a few law suits have been filed to deal that just recently and they are coming under more fire all the time it'll just be a matter of time.
I'm not trying to be political with this point either by the way. Im just pointing out that these are companies and it's their tool and space. So I don't see why people should be surprised that they can and do change rules and block people and other things.
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Post by ragan on Jan 9, 2021 0:53:37 GMT -6
Forcing a publisher to publish the government's speech is what happens when you don't have a 1st Amendment. A private company being able to tell any given asshole who violates their terms of service to pound sand is what happens when you do have one.
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2021 9:59:37 GMT -6
The media is against free speech?? "..out of existence?" hyperbolic rhetoric. You're right - it was hyperbolic. But it was how I was feeling at the time. The writing is clearly on the wall. Free speech is the essence, the bedrock of our country, and through the years many have fought and shed blood to protect that right. Over the years we have allowed the most heinous things to be rightfully spoken and published because to fight against that right is to fight against ourselves. If the current curtailing of differing opinions does not alarm you - no matter which side of the matter you come in on - you are either not paying real attention, or maybe part of the problem. I welcome differing opinions even if they make me furious. Without them, we are doomed to a two dimensional world. And expecting tech to regulate themselves....  . How did that work out in tech vs. the music industry. heh heh |
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Post by M57 on Jan 9, 2021 11:03:35 GMT -6
And expecting tech to regulate themselves.... . How did that work out in tech vs. the music industry. heh heh We all agree that the right to voice differing opinions is a fundamental cornerstone of a well-functioning democracy. People believe whatever they want, and they should be able to express those beliefs. But in a civil society, laws, rules, regulations are necessary to prevent behavior that is antithetical to the democratic process. It saddens me that both sides of the isle haven't been able mutually work toward strengthening this fragile aspect of democracy, which has been there right from the start. I always think of the the precedent set by our first president, who just up and walked back to the life of citizenry. How thankful are we all for that? From the there, the two-party system quickly evolved into a representation of the scope and form of the human condition, with altruistic virtues like the idea of service to country, but also with the trappings of greed and power. It has remained that way ever since, its shape and nature vacillating in times of war and peace, both externally and internally. I hope that it not too political of me to express the hope that we can somehow find enough common ground to keep and even strengthen this democracy by keeping our freedoms as wide as possible, but within the confines of a way that respects all opinions and protects all citizens. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2021 11:18:50 GMT -6
Without confidence in ANY election process - be it local, statewide or national - our country is doomed. Elections need to be dialed in, accurate and beyond reproach. This has been going on for decades, and really has just surfaced and become front and center as of late. Even the most myopic person cannot actually believe that our election system does not need revisiting and updating. To try to silence either side for whatever reason during times of election integrity crisis is going to leave more than 50% of our population SUPER pissed. Make 50+ % of our population super pissed, and you will have anarchy breaking out. Or worse. What Google, Apple, Twitter, etc. are doing is EXTREMELY dangerous. And THAT pisses me off. I don't care if they are privately held companies. We are at a crisis that reaches far deeper than who is president in 2021. Sorry if this is political. I named no political party. This is a system-wide problem. More than political, it's a tech and media based problem.
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Post by ragan on Jan 9, 2021 11:36:15 GMT -6
Without confidence in ANY election process - be it local, statewide or national - our country is doomed. Damn right. And those who spew torrents of utter bullshit about elections they lost in order to soothe their fragile egos and whip their supporters into a violent rage should face consequences. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 9, 2021 12:07:06 GMT -6
Twitter isn't a "pulbic space". it's a privately owned and operated company and users agree to their terms to use the platform they provide. Same with Facebook, Youtube, Google, ect. They are providing a tool for people to talk. But they can control it however they see fit. Plenty of people in the world don't know what "freedom of speech" even is or get to enjoy that. We can regardless of what platform if you're even using a platform to enjoy it. But the platform can dictate how that goes down, just like how you can lock this thread because you don't want politics talked about. I'm sure that things will change to your point on the monopoly, I think a few law suits have been filed to deal that just recently and they are coming under more fire all the time it'll just be a matter of time. I'm not trying to be political with this point either by the way. Im just pointing out that these are companies and it's their tool and space. So I don't see why people should be surprised that they can and do change rules and block people and other things. I think the problem is that these tech companies (intentionally) blur the lines between public and private space. Between publisher and tech platform, between editorial stances and objectivism. The debate is still raging whether or not these platforms are public utilities, and the tech companies themselves take full advantage of this. We’re in a new time, where we need to re-evaluate what a public vs private space is. Here’s just one example to illustrate my point: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/02/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-platform-publisher-lawsuit |
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Post by M57 on Jan 9, 2021 12:29:01 GMT -6
This is a system-wide problem. More than political, it's a tech and media based problem. Sorry this is going a bit OT. But it will come back somewhat.. I'm a teacher - Grades 5-8. You would think that teachers are suppose to shy away when political topics come up in the classroom, but that's not the case ..at least not at my school. Teachers are on the front lines where the social/emotional growth of students is concerned, and more and more teachers are learning (and trained) to recognize that EVERYTHING is political. It doesn't matter if you're talking about elected officials, the headlines, leveled math classes or the school dress-code. You can't run away from it, and students need to learn how to discern rhetorical devices, evaluate and present evidence and most importantly engage in respectful discourse. The music industry is roiling in a quagmire of political issues. When I look at it from that perspective, John's site rule concerns me.. But there's another part of me that is thankful for the rule. Often I find myself appreciative of the fact that I don't know the political stripes of many of you. I'm afraid that if I knew, I would be disappointed, or even depressed. How sad is that? Hey, at least I realize that I'm part of the problem. |
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 9, 2021 12:53:21 GMT -6
I just observe that there are plenty of other elected officials who have made statements at least as incendiary who are still on Twitter. I don’t begrudge them controlling their (private) platform, but selective enforcement sure does look bad to me. I mean there have been several celebrities who have made references to assassination of the president who are still on Twitter. This kind of talk makes me nervous. archive.vn/90XOs#selection-271.0-277.144 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2021 13:30:21 GMT -6
Seriously? Try having a conservative opinion and tweeting something right now.
And it IS a public space. What alternatives are there to Facebook, Instagram which is owned by Facebook and Twitter? I would say Parler, but it’s about to be de-platformed by Apple and Google. This is frightening. And even more frightening that people can’t see it. I guess censorship isn’t scary when you agree with the censor.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 9, 2021 13:38:26 GMT -6
It’s obvious that many of you despise Trump. That’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinions. I don’t disagree that he incited the nutbags. But censorship is not the answer - you will just push people farther to the extremes.
I think we’ve reached the edge of political discussion on RGO.
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