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Post by javamad on Nov 5, 2020 11:48:07 GMT -6
Hi All, I have just moved my main desk and monitors and I have unfortunately pushed my listening position further into a room mode. I got to thinking that a DAC with an EQ on it could be a way to help. I recently got the Dynaudio LYD 48 and got the 18S sub as well because it has a 3 way EQ DSP .. but I need more EQ points now to deal with 3 peaks and 2 troughs. I'll spare you posting the graph cos its pretty awful :-) This DAC has a 5-way eq and in theory should also improve my DAC over the current BF Apollos I am using. RME ADI 2 DAC FS on Thomann
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 5, 2020 15:13:21 GMT -6
Ynu mean the EQ for Room Correction?
IN this case I advise you to do the 30-day Sonarworks Demo.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 5, 2020 16:15:59 GMT -6
But the rme da is current bf older.
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2020 16:46:12 GMT -6
Ynu mean the EQ for Room Correction? IN this case I advise you to do the 30-day Sonarworks Demo. I agree, I don’t know if the RME EQ is phase coherent and if 5 bands is enough. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 5, 2020 16:46:40 GMT -6
Ynu mean the EQ for Room Correction? IN this case I advise you to do the 30-day Sonarworks Demo. I agree, I don’t know if the RME EQ is phase coherent and if 5 bands is enough. |
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 5, 2020 18:47:22 GMT -6
But the rme da is current bf older. Bf older? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 5, 2020 19:37:03 GMT -6
The Apollo blackface is an older design with older converters than the rme, the rme is more current and likely has a much better clock and much lower jitter?
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Post by javamad on Nov 6, 2020 9:14:53 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies so far.
I already have Sonarworks 4 .. but as I do hybrid mixing/summing, I need the correction to be on all outputs of my 2 BF Apollos. I even contacted them and asked about getting System-wide to hook into all outputs. This ended up in a mis-placed phone call with a sales rep/support tech that went nowhere .. I was not able to communicate my need properly and got the "oh .. no it doesn't work like that" response ... which of course I already knew!
So my only way to use SW right now is to add it to the 8 stereo group outs ... which works .. but guess what .. when bouncing I forget to disable the plugins .. plus I loose the ability to critically listen as I bounce .. which I am sure you all know is when you spot a lot of things as your mind relaxes and changes perspective. So its not really a workable workflow for me.
As I have moved my desk .. I will use SW until I sort something else out.
As to if 5 eq points are enough .. I agree they probably are not.
I am now looking at MiniDSP 2 x 4 balanced (https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-balanced-2x4) which I saw they are using in EchoBar Studios as per this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RiuwqzjqlQ&t=1071s)
I guess the quality question of the converters is secondary to a) the ones I have in the BF Apollo and b) the room messing up my perceptions more than any DAC could.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 6, 2020 11:22:41 GMT -6
I do hybrid summing too and I simply put SW4 on the master out whether I used the console or only the hardware.
Sure foe the console master out it means one extra round trip but it makes possible to use SW4.
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Post by ericn on Nov 6, 2020 15:55:25 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies so far. I already have Sonarworks 4 .. but as I do hybrid mixing/summing, I need the correction to be on all outputs of my 2 BF Apollos. I even contacted them and asked about getting System-wide to hook into all outputs. This ended up in a mis-placed phone call with a sales rep/support tech that went nowhere .. I was not able to communicate my need properly and got the "oh .. no it doesn't work like that" response ... which of course I already knew! So my only way to use SW right now is to add it to the 8 stereo group outs ... which works .. but guess what .. when bouncing I forget to disable the plugins .. plus I loose the ability to critically listen as I bounce .. which I am sure you all know is when you spot a lot of things as your mind relaxes and changes perspective. So its not really a workable workflow for me. As I have moved my desk .. I will use SW until I sort something else out. As to if 5 eq points are enough .. I agree they probably are not. I am now looking at MiniDSP 2 x 4 balanced (https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-balanced-2x4) which I saw they are using in EchoBar Studios as per this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RiuwqzjqlQ&t=1071s) I guess the quality question of the converters is secondary to a) the ones I have in the BF Apollo and b) the room messing up my perceptions more than any DAC could. The built in conversion absolutely sucks! |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Nov 6, 2020 16:04:24 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies so far. I already have Sonarworks 4 .. but as I do hybrid mixing/summing, I need the correction to be on all outputs of my 2 BF Apollos. I even contacted them and asked about getting System-wide to hook into all outputs. This ended up in a mis-placed phone call with a sales rep/support tech that went nowhere .. I was not able to communicate my need properly and got the "oh .. no it doesn't work like that" response ... which of course I already knew! So my only way to use SW right now is to add it to the 8 stereo group outs ... which works .. but guess what .. when bouncing I forget to disable the plugins .. plus I loose the ability to critically listen as I bounce .. which I am sure you all know is when you spot a lot of things as your mind relaxes and changes perspective. So its not really a workable workflow for me. As I have moved my desk .. I will use SW until I sort something else out. As to if 5 eq points are enough .. I agree they probably are not. I am now looking at MiniDSP 2 x 4 balanced (https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-balanced-2x4) which I saw they are using in EchoBar Studios as per this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RiuwqzjqlQ&t=1071s) I guess the quality question of the converters is secondary to a) the ones I have in the BF Apollo and b) the room messing up my perceptions more than any DAC could. The built in conversion absolutely sucks! Yes, it is just the built-in conversion on the ADAU1701. I have not idea why the audiophiles rave about them (well maybe i do but i wont digress). |
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Post by ericn on Nov 6, 2020 16:17:25 GMT -6
The built in conversion absolutely sucks! Yes, it is just the built-in conversion on the ADAU1701. I have not idea why the audiophiles rave about them (well maybe i do but i wont digress). The effects of DIRAC are so impressive that you can almost excuse it, but if you combine DIRAC and say the Project S2 digital or even the super cheap Grace labeled box Drop. I’m afraid to demo it again with the Mytek. |
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 7, 2020 3:56:28 GMT -6
I don’t quite get why you need correction on all outputs. Do you never record the mix into your computer?
I’m sure I’m just not understanding your setup. However, you don’t want to send Sonarworks-corrected audio to any external processors or mixer.
And if you have multiple monitors, you can put the Sonarworks plugin on every output anyway. You just need to do some routing in your DAW where you create a “print” track that you record to, uncorrected. So you’d be listening through Sonarworks but not printing through it.
I’ve been too lazy to do that myself and pretty good about turning it off for the bounce, but I’m going to change that for the next mix.
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Post by javamad on Nov 8, 2020 5:21:53 GMT -6
Thanks to all for the suggestions.
I think the first step is to try some routing...
I had Software Monitoring turned off (doh! made that decision a few years ago with my first Apollo) and so I was unable to leave an input 'listening' to the stereo mix coming back into my Apollos.
I now need to buy a breakout cable for the external sources input of my RND 5060 so I will be able to listen to the output with Sonarworks on that channel only.
I am sure I would have come to this conclusion after several days trying ... but it helps sometimes to have people push you in the right direction. :-)
Thanks all!
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