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Post by seawell on Jan 9, 2021 18:37:48 GMT -6
How does everyone feel about Audio-Scape's offering compared to these guys? Dare I ask about Black Lion's BLUEY? I have the same questions, Vincent. I did a review of the Bluey on the reviews board if you guys would like to hear it in action: realgearonline.com/post/240047/thread |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 9, 2021 18:59:14 GMT -6
Not a huge fan of this guy’s videos, but he makes a good point about the KT76 here. Can you sum up his point so I'm not giving that click bait a click? Basically that while the KT76 works as a compressor and is built ok, it is very transparent and simply doesn’t sound or really act like an 1176. So why bother with it? He shows samples of it vs a UA, Stam, and some plugins. So you can really hear what he’s talking about. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 9, 2021 19:00:55 GMT -6
I saw the video. The BLUEY is one of the 1176s I’m really looking at. That and the Audio-Scape. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Jan 9, 2021 23:25:48 GMT -6
Just FYI everyone I went with ProReplicas Rev A and (maybe) Rev G, the feedback is solid as is with Audioscape/Purple/Splice, was a hard decision and I'm sure between these there is no wrong choice. Will report back once I receive my unit.
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Post by ward of the state on Jan 10, 2021 11:31:18 GMT -6
Not a huge fan of this guy’s videos, but he makes a good point about the KT76 here. Can you sum up his point so I'm not giving that click bait a click? Summation: "It's a useless cheap POS". |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 13, 2021 4:53:44 GMT -6
There were some ppl who liked the KT & Warm 76 type units has that crowd moved on? ( wouldn’t surprise me if so )
I like my WA76. It really can add life and attitude to a vocal. Its is great for tracking. I like to ride the input when recording. Ofc It’s not a circuit copy nor a 1 to 1 of a UREI or UA.
The WA76 does sound good & is easy to use, hard to screw up when using for mixing. Tracking you could get a little heavy handed if you aren’t used to the singer range/ voice. I recommend!
If I had the extra $ a pair of the splices would be high on my list. Or a pair of Audioscape w NOS parts
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Post by Dan on Jan 14, 2021 11:59:14 GMT -6
There were some ppl who liked the KT & Warm 76 type units has that crowd moved on? ( wouldn’t surprise me if so ) I like my WA76. It really can add life and attitude to a vocal. Its is great for tracking. I like to ride the input when recording. Ofc It’s not a circuit copy nor a 1 to 1 of a UREI or UA. The WA76 does sound good & is easy to use, hard to screw up when using for mixing. Tracking you could get a little heavy handed if you aren’t used to the singer range/ voice. I recommend! If I had the extra $ a pair of the splices would be high on my list. Or a pair of Audioscape w NOS parts The KT76 is a clone of a clone. Behringer took a muntzed 1176, the warm 76, and muntzed it further with cheaper parts from their stock parts bins. Lets put it this way, the Warm can probably be modded into something good. The Behringer probably is defective by design. That’s what I’ve experienced with Behringer gear vs cheap Alesis, ART, and Focusrite gear. It goes beyond lo-fi sound, noise, and part durability to crazy design flaws. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2021 12:53:50 GMT -6
There were some ppl who liked the KT & Warm 76 type units has that crowd moved on? ( wouldn’t surprise me if so ) I like my WA76. It really can add life and attitude to a vocal. Its is great for tracking. I like to ride the input when recording. Ofc It’s not a circuit copy nor a 1 to 1 of a UREI or UA. The WA76 does sound good & is easy to use, hard to screw up when using for mixing. Tracking you could get a little heavy handed if you aren’t used to the singer range/ voice. I recommend! If I had the extra $ a pair of the splices would be high on my list. Or a pair of Audioscape w NOS parts The KT76 is a clone of a clone. Behringer took a muntzed 1176, the warm 76, and muntzed it further with cheaper parts from their stock parts bins. Lets put it this way, the Warm can probably be modded into something good. The Behringer probably is defective by design. That’s what I’ve experienced with Behringer gear vs cheap Alesis, ART, and Focusrite gear. It goes beyond lo-fi sound, noise, and part durability to crazy design flaws. The KT and Warm are basically the same unit to my ears. |
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Post by ward of the state on Jan 15, 2021 8:59:01 GMT -6
The KT and Warm are basically the same unit to my ears. I'm amazed you could listen to them both long enough to be able to tell that, but I salute you for doing so . . . and trust your ears, that suffered during this process. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 16, 2021 9:11:38 GMT -6
There were some ppl who liked the KT & Warm 76 type units has that crowd moved on? ( wouldn’t surprise me if so ) I like my WA76. It really can add life and attitude to a vocal. Its is great for tracking. I like to ride the input when recording. Ofc It’s not a circuit copy nor a 1 to 1 of a UREI or UA. The WA76 does sound good & is easy to use, hard to screw up when using for mixing. Tracking you could get a little heavy handed if you aren’t used to the singer range/ voice. I recommend! If I had the extra $ a pair of the splices would be high on my list. Or a pair of Audioscape w NOS parts The KT76 is a clone of a clone. Behringer took a muntzed 1176, the warm 76, and muntzed it further with cheaper parts from their stock parts bins. Lets put it this way, the Warm can probably be modded into something good. The Behringer probably is defective by design. That’s what I’ve experienced with Behringer gear vs cheap Alesis, ART, and Focusrite gear. It goes beyond lo-fi sound, noise, and part durability to crazy design flaws. Did you have both Warm & KT units at the same time or one then the other? What types of music do you create / record / produce or mix/ master that you used the Warm & KT on? I ask b/c I did not have good results w/ a very popular HW bus comp clone for the genres I work in but others were satisfied to amazed at their results w/ the same bus comp. |
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Post by monkeyxx on Jan 16, 2021 10:25:53 GMT -6
Without actual measurements this comparison will go in circles. I wish Snake Oil Guy had plugged it into a meter for some references. Some of the original UA 1176 has as much as 17% THD at normal settings, which is insane. Got this from the Peterson Goodwyn video in another thread. It sounds like KT might have "cleaned it up" a bit in the transistor gain stage, but it's hard to say without measurements.
Some of the later Urei/UA Rev's like the F, G, and H were "cleaned up" too. Some people seem to like that.
It's a hard discussion because there are so many different hardware versions, mods, revisions, clones, and every plugin is a different model with other digital "problems" like how do you code for a fast enough attack compared to hardware. Or how do you code something as funky as the Rsd curve of a FET, how do you deal with the harmonics that cross the nyquist frequency, and so on.
I would buy a KT but I don't like their plastic shaft pots. Warm also uses plastic shaft pots I believe. This is my snobby build quality opinion. Warm is overpriced IMO. KT I would buy on steep discount since you have that option, Thomann USA web store for example.
These comments are all coming from the sidelines, I've never purchased a HW 1176 but I have a ton of 1176 plugins. I want a Hairball.
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Post by Dan on Jan 16, 2021 10:40:46 GMT -6
The KT76 is a clone of a clone. Behringer took a muntzed 1176, the warm 76, and muntzed it further with cheaper parts from their stock parts bins. Lets put it this way, the Warm can probably be modded into something good. The Behringer probably is defective by design. That’s what I’ve experienced with Behringer gear vs cheap Alesis, ART, and Focusrite gear. It goes beyond lo-fi sound, noise, and part durability to crazy design flaws. Did you have both Warm & KT units at the same time or one then the other? What types of music do you create / record / produce or mix/ master that you used the Warm & KT on? I ask b/c I did not have good results w/ a very popular HW bus comp clone for the genres I work in but others were satisfied to amazed at their results w/ the same bus comp. I thought the warm was a dirty, noisy piece of shit. The KT I would never even touch having owned and disowned other Behringer gear. Maybe if you can get it for 100 bucks but I would never be able to rely on it. They took other cheap hardware and made it defective by design in the PCB layout. 8200, X32, etc. The Warm is cheap. How do you halve the price without making it even worse? Behringer does crazy stuff. I've had stuff happen with their gear that has never happened with anything else besides melting KRK Class AB plate amps |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 16, 2021 11:02:33 GMT -6
Did you have both Warm & KT units at the same time or one then the other? What types of music do you create / record / produce or mix/ master that you used the Warm & KT on? I ask b/c I did not have good results w/ a very popular HW bus comp clone for the genres I work in but others were satisfied to amazed at their results w/ the same bus comp. I thought the warm was a dirty, noisy piece of shit. The KT I would never even touch having owned and disowned other Behringer gear. Maybe if you can get it for 100 bucks but I would never be able to rely on it. They took other cheap hardware and made it defective by design in the PCB layout. 8200, X32, etc. The Warm is cheap. How do you halve the price without making it even worse? Behringer does crazy stuff. I've had stuff happen with their gear that has never happened with anything else besides melting KRK Class AB plate amps What hardware are you using? |
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