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Post by ericn on Nov 6, 2020 17:42:46 GMT -6
If I wanted to DIY - hairball - but not with the stock components. The guys I know that are in the know always substitute out for various NOS parts. If I wanted dirt cheap - I'd go for the KT. Two hundred bucks. If I wanted versatility and the ultimate in sonics, the splice is a no brainer, and I own 4 of them and love them to death. If I had more rack space and still wanted a incredibly great unit - AudioScape. Hands down. I forgot the KT! On tHe cheap you can’t beat it ! |
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Post by Michael O. on Nov 6, 2020 19:51:34 GMT -6
That’s right- you’d source the pcb itself and the non-pcb parts from them (housing, pots/t-pad, buttons, etc.), and then get the pcb components and input transformer separately. Hairball doesn’t offer NOS components, but they’re easy to come by elsewhere. The Hairball kits utilizing their components do sound great and work well (at least the iterations I’ve used, their current offerings appear to be updateda bit), but not identical to a Urei unit as one made with original-equivalent components would essentially be. If you want a clone that is true to an original unit then this is essentially the only way to go, because the 1176 circuits are such that individual component choices can make an audible difference. Makes sense Michael, It looks like the Cinemag 0-12 is easy to get ahold of, where would you look for the other separate faithful pcb components? This would be my first DIY project, but I want a faithful Rev D pretty badly. eBay is still a pretty good source for the components, especially since you’re mostly looking for one or two of each component rather than bulk lots. There are even some sellers I’ve seen in the past that offer or can arrange entire lots of the necessary parts (generally European sellers, because for whatever reason ua/Urei used primarily European pcb components back in the day). Just For clarity’s sake, the input transformer to look for is the UTC (United Transformer rather than cinemag) o-12, with a supplemental o-17 mumetal shield (in my own testing the o-17 wasn’t critical with line level signals, but they’re relatively affordable so no real reason to skimp). Utc was acquired by trw at some point, but the newer trw o-12’s don’t sound (and likely don’t measure) identical to the earlier “UTC” labeled units. I built my current clones by simply popping the top on the urei’s and matching each component to the original, but there are many good photos online of the internals you can use as a guide. Additionally, Hairball has excellent documentation, and forums like this one and groupdiy are invaluable resources for the build and any potential troubleshooting. But having said that, an 1176 is a relatively easy build, and you can fully calibrate the unit without specialized test equipment, so it’s not a bad candidate for a first foray into diy, especially with the aforementioned resources. The only downside to having a proper 1176 in your tracking or mixing rack is that you’ll quickly want more of them. |
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Post by yotonic on Nov 7, 2020 15:01:22 GMT -6
Here is the UREI 1178 on vocals. I know a lot of Producers who swear by it on vox. John Fields used his API 3124 preamp a vintage U87 and the UREI 1178 tracking this. And Jon Kaplan hit it again in the box with the UA 1176 and Fairchild plugs.
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Post by Dan on Nov 7, 2020 16:35:39 GMT -6
I have owned one of the early Purple MC77 and the UA 1176LN. Neither come close in my opinion to a UREI 1178, especially on vocals duty. I paid $2,200 on a couple of occasions for a very good 1178. Just program a couple of alerts for new listings on Reverb, and pay attention on the boards. I honestly prefer the stereo Drawmer 1978 to the current 1176LN and Purple 77. It’s warmer and does more. |
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Post by Michael O. on Nov 7, 2020 18:46:37 GMT -6
Here is the UREI 1178 on vocals. I know a lot of Producers who swear by it on vox. John Fields used his API 3124 preamp a vintage U87 and the UREI 1178 tracking this. And Jon Kaplan hit it again in the box with the UA 1176 and Fairchild plugs. 1178 is one of my favorite units and one that’s weirdly underrated these days. Having said that, it does sound markedly different than the t-pad/xformer input 1176 revisions, especially when pushed at all. Though it’s equal in terms of overall quality and usefulness imo, just different. If I use a compressor/limiter on a drum buss my 1178 tends to be the one. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Nov 11, 2020 20:07:06 GMT -6
If I were buying right now my top 1176 contenders available right now would be 1 Audioscape, price/ quality factor can’t be beat. 2 Hairball kit. See above if you can solder. 3 Splice, it wins the varsitlity battle. But if I could find MC76’s used for the price of Audioscape, sorry Ward and Audioscape it would be MC76’s because I know them miss them and to quote Patrick from sponge Bob “ party till we’re purple “ !. The only downside of the MC76 is that when Andrew couldn’t source the attenuator, he offered a kit so you were at the mercy of the builder. But I’m putting Audioscape up against a legend. It’s like putting some new kid up against EVH or Clapton😎. what about the Pro Replicas from Poland? www.proreplicas.com/recent 1176LN couldn't get the job done for me a while back. Sounded bright like a bad soft clipper at times. Is ProReplicas still making units? I emailed but no response. Also none for sale on eBay. Their units look very good. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 17, 2020 9:25:53 GMT -6
How does everyone feel about Audio-Scape's offering compared to these guys? Dare I ask about Black Lion's BLUEY?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 17, 2020 11:16:53 GMT -6
Here is the UREI 1178 on vocals. I know a lot of Producers who swear by it on vox. John Fields used his API 3124 preamp a vintage U87 and the UREI 1178 tracking this. And Jon Kaplan hit it again in the box with the UA 1176 and Fairchild plugs. Nice, that lead vox has a great focus and presence, with a certain understated grit and stays right where you want it, throughout the song’s dynamics: definitely working ! |
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 18, 2020 22:54:17 GMT -6
How does everyone feel about Audio-Scape's offering compared to these guys? Dare I ask about Black Lion's BLUEY? I have the same questions, Vincent. |
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Post by lmnproyect on Jan 7, 2021 17:27:35 GMT -6
what about the Pro Replicas from Poland? www.proreplicas.com/recent 1176LN couldn't get the job done for me a while back. Sounded bright like a bad soft clipper at times. Is ProReplicas still making units? I emailed but no response. Also none for sale on eBay. Their units look very good. I received from Proreplicaa my 1176 Rev G mod to silverface Rev H some days ago. He uses all the original high quality part of the urei for His clones. He Is a perfectionist guy after all Best compressor i have had. I really like His work. I also have their pultecs clone |
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Post by audioscape on Jan 7, 2021 19:21:11 GMT -6
I know it's not the most diplomatic thing to do/say BUT - let me just chime in with this - almost ALL of the 1176's currently available in the 2RU rack format are overly BRIGHT to our ears... especially when directly comparing to a few different vintage REV Ds (middle of the road of the 1176 revisions). This may be to your liking, which is totally cool!
BUT
Our 76A, 76F, and upcoming 76D (yes, that's right😜) are not plagued by this issue ;-)
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 7, 2021 20:44:29 GMT -6
I have always loved that 1178 sound, which audioscape box will give me that sound? I have also really liked using the API 3124
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Post by ward of the state on Jan 8, 2021 12:41:33 GMT -6
I know it's not the most diplomatic thing to do/say BUT - let me just chime in with this - almost ALL of the 1176's currently available in the 2RU rack format are overly BRIGHT to our ears... especially when directly comparing to a few different vintage REV Ds (middle of the road of the 1176 revisions). This may be to your liking, which is totally cool! BUT Our 76A, 76F, and upcoming 76D (yes, that's right😜) are not plagued by this issue ;-) Can verify this! HOWEVER . . . the 76a in 12:1 pushed will exhibit the SAME brightness that you get from the extremely rare original! And as much as I love my Pro Replicas Blue Strips, it does not match the original's brightness in 12:1 when pushed. So brittle? Not. Bright? Normally not. In 12:1 when you're looking for it? TOTES. Can't wait to get a 76d or 2!! #ASAF |
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Post by Dan on Jan 8, 2021 13:42:59 GMT -6
I know it's not the most diplomatic thing to do/say BUT - let me just chime in with this - almost ALL of the 1176's currently available in the 2RU rack format are overly BRIGHT to our ears... especially when directly comparing to a few different vintage REV Ds (middle of the road of the 1176 revisions). This may be to your liking, which is totally cool! BUT Our 76A, 76F, and upcoming 76D (yes, that's right😜) are not plagued by this issue ;-) The tone and behavior on most of them is so bad that you’re better off not buying anything branded with anything close to “1176” unless it’s a NOS part accurate recreation or a modern FET compressor not known for trash can sound, eg Daking and Drawmer. Plugins are better in 2020 than the cheaper clones and UA recreations. I can recommend TDR Molot GE if you really hate trash can, Goodhertz Faraday Limiter, the Presswerk presets, the backwards Overloud 76 V2 for squashing, and the ridiculously soft knee PSP Fetpressor if you want to knob twiddle a bit. |
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Post by ward of the state on Jan 8, 2021 16:38:46 GMT -6
dan, I'm curious about the Klark-Technik and Warm recommendations also . . . on a whim, I bought two of the Warm76s. Nothing like an actual 76 in actual sound. The KT? Rememebr, it's a Behr------r dressed up with the KT name. Lipstick on a pig and all that. a Boss OD2 might have a little more tone. Maybe.
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Post by boostudio on Jan 8, 2021 17:31:26 GMT -6
I know it's not the most diplomatic thing to do/say BUT - let me just chime in with this - almost ALL of the 1176's currently available in the 2RU rack format are overly BRIGHT to our ears... especially when directly comparing to a few different vintage REV Ds (middle of the road of the 1176 revisions). This may be to your liking, which is totally cool! BUT Our 76A, 76F, and upcoming 76D (yes, that's right😜) are not plagued by this issue ;-) Geez Louise ... AudioScape and Heiserman are gonna be responsible for me selling my bodily organs in 2021 |
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Post by audioscape on Jan 8, 2021 20:12:18 GMT -6
I know it's not the most diplomatic thing to do/say BUT - let me just chime in with this - almost ALL of the 1176's currently available in the 2RU rack format are overly BRIGHT to our ears... especially when directly comparing to a few different vintage REV Ds (middle of the road of the 1176 revisions). This may be to your liking, which is totally cool! BUT Our 76A, 76F, and upcoming 76D (yes, that's right😜) are not plagued by this issue ;-) Geez Louise ... AudioScape and Heiserman are gonna be responsible for me selling my bodily organs in 2021 PLEASE forgive us 🙏🙏 😂😜❤ |
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Post by audioscape on Jan 8, 2021 20:17:47 GMT -6
I know it's not the most diplomatic thing to do/say BUT - let me just chime in with this - almost ALL of the 1176's currently available in the 2RU rack format are overly BRIGHT to our ears... especially when directly comparing to a few different vintage REV Ds (middle of the road of the 1176 revisions). This may be to your liking, which is totally cool! BUT Our 76A, 76F, and upcoming 76D (yes, that's right😜) are not plagued by this issue ;-) The tone and behavior on most of them is so bad that you’re better off not buying anything branded with anything close to “1176” unless it’s a NOS part accurate recreation or a modern FET compressor not known for trash can sound, eg Daking and Drawmer. Plugins are better in 2020 than the cheaper clones and UA recreations. I can recommend TDR Molot GE if you really hate trash can, Goodhertz Faraday Limiter, the Presswerk presets, the backwards Overloud 76 V2 for squashing, and the ridiculously soft knee PSP Fetpressor if you want to knob twiddle a bit. COMPLETELY agreed!!! ;-) This is why our 76A and 76F are the best of the lot (in our totally biased but HONEST opinion). This is why we use NOS FET's, NOS carbon comp resistors, the most accurate UTC O-12 in existence (regardless of price) and custom-wound 5002 recreation output iron (MOST of the 'iron' sound comes from the input xformer though tbh)! ;-) et. al! We even kept the super drifty DISCRETE metering circuit because, oddly, changing it to something a bit more stable changes the vibe. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by sean on Jan 8, 2021 20:23:11 GMT -6
I have always loved that 1178 sound, which audioscape box will give me that sound? I have also really liked using the API 3124 The 1178 does not use an input transformer and instead uses a 5532 op amp. A Revision G is the closest to a 1178 circuit wise. Mnats sells a PCB board where you can build a Rev F or Rev G 1176. The PCB Grinder MS76 might also give you a similar vibe as the 1178 as it’s op amp based |
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Post by ward of the state on Jan 8, 2021 22:13:27 GMT -6
I have always loved that 1178 sound, which audioscape box will give me that sound? I have also really liked using the API 3124 Without the input XFo, an 1176 just doesn't sound right. I'll always take a D or F over a G or negligibly different H. The interactivity of the two 1178 channels leads to the tone smear you're referring to, I believe, that makes the 78 have a cool polishing effect on a vocal . . . there's something coming from my favorite brand of outboard gear soon. Keep the plastic in your wallet for a little while longer! I promise you won't be disappointed. Now . . . what is about the API3124 preamp you like that made you bring that into the conversation? I love mine too, just really curious now! Thanks! |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 8, 2021 22:26:58 GMT -6
Sounds intriguing to the point of insanity, I can’t wait. The API 3124 just always sounded good to me on every source. The gain is insane, but I bought a little labs red cloud balancer pack to handle the crazy hot output. I really dig it on a snare and toms. I’ve even used it on kick and guitars and vocals with happy results. One day I was messing around with a drum sound and I put this thing on a snare with an sm57 and that was exactly what I was looking for, tuned the snare just a tad, and that was it! I even dug it with an audix i5. I think I like the i5 better, but that 57 was what I was hearing with the reference track snare I was going for. Really can’t go wrong with either, but I’m interested in the Beyer Dynamic m201. I’ve always wanted to try the 512c in a 500 card, just curious with using a different powersupply if it would be a lot different sounding in that format by not using the same powersupply. Yummy stuff! Thanks for the insight Sean and Ward.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 9, 2021 7:57:57 GMT -6
dan, I'm curious about the Klark-Technik and Warm recommendations also . . . on a whim, I bought two of the Warm76s. Nothing like an actual 76 in actual sound. The KT? Rememebr, it's a Behr------r dressed up with the KT name. Lipstick on a pig and all that. a Boss OD2 might have a little more tone. Maybe. The Warm and KT sound VERY similar. |
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Post by Dan on Jan 9, 2021 8:49:55 GMT -6
dan, I'm curious about the Klark-Technik and Warm recommendations also . . . on a whim, I bought two of the Warm76s. Nothing like an actual 76 in actual sound. The KT? Rememebr, it's a Behr------r dressed up with the KT name. Lipstick on a pig and all that. a Boss OD2 might have a little more tone. Maybe. The Warm is a dirt box. I don’t touch Behringer with a 10 foot pole. It’s one step up in reliability from AliExpress project box gear |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 9, 2021 11:26:00 GMT -6
Not a huge fan of this guy’s videos, but he makes a good point about the KT76 here.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 9, 2021 18:22:14 GMT -6
Not a huge fan of this guy’s videos, but he makes a good point about the KT76 here. Can you sum up his point so I'm not giving that click bait a click? |
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