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Post by brucerothwell on Oct 19, 2020 14:06:55 GMT -6
I'm so glad Ted Fletcher is doing so well, and still building great gear!
Check this out (notice the grin of a Cheshire cat):
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 25, 2021 9:54:10 GMT -6
I read elsewhere that this is now available for 1750 pounds and made completely in England. I’m pretty ignorant about boards and mixers. Anyone have any experience with the original 828? In the video Ted says he hopes this will be used in conjunction with a DAW. Any insights on how that would be done and to what benefit? I can’t find any reviews yet of the mixer or the new Alice line of 500 series.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 15:43:32 GMT -6
I read elsewhere that this is now available for 1750 pounds and made completely in England. I’m pretty ignorant about boards and mixers. Anyone have any experience with the original 828? In the video Ted says he hopes this will be used in conjunction with a DAW. Any insights on how that would be done and to what benefit? I can’t find any reviews yet of the mixer or the new Alice line of 500 series. If this had 8 pres, I’d be all over it. |
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 25, 2021 17:17:34 GMT -6
I read elsewhere that this is now available for 1750 pounds and made completely in England. I’m pretty ignorant about boards and mixers. Anyone have any experience with the original 828? In the video Ted says he hopes this will be used in conjunction with a DAW. Any insights on how that would be done and to what benefit? I can’t find any reviews yet of the mixer or the new Alice line of 500 series. If this had 8 pres, I’d be all over it. On the other site there’s mention of a 1228 coming. I don’t know if that means more pres. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 27, 2021 11:18:22 GMT -6
Wonder what one with just mono channels would run, now if it had a connector to either add another board or an expander…. Damn I don’t need another console no matter how cute!
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 14, 2022 22:57:42 GMT -6
I read elsewhere that this is now available for 1750 pounds and made completely in England. I’m pretty ignorant about boards and mixers. Anyone have any experience with the original 828? In the video Ted says he hopes this will be used in conjunction with a DAW. Any insights on how that would be done and to what benefit? I can’t find any reviews yet of the mixer or the new Alice line of 500 series. If this had 8 pres, I’d be all over it. There is indeed a 12 pre/eq version (The 1228) - Not sure on the price though. Inquiring myself! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 23:28:34 GMT -6
If this had 8 pres, I’d be all over it. There is indeed a 12 pre/eq version (The 1228) - Not sure on the price though. Inquiring myself! Ugh just at the time I’m saving for great monitors! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 15, 2022 8:31:25 GMT -6
There is indeed a 12 pre/eq version (The 1228) - Not sure on the price though. Inquiring myself! Ugh just at the time I’m saving for great monitors! Dan, Monitors now, Alice console when the pound tanks again😎 |
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Post by chessparov on Dec 15, 2022 9:27:11 GMT -6
I'm so glad Ted Fletcher is doing so well, and still building great gear! Check this out (notice the grin of a Cheshire cat): Maybe he just found out the other Fletcher, is his American cousin. Like Munson. Chris |
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Post by plinker on Dec 15, 2022 23:35:11 GMT -6
Oh Shit!
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 16, 2022 3:27:48 GMT -6
What is it’s purpose?
Keyboard mixer live?
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 16, 2022 16:19:17 GMT -6
If this had 8 pres, I’d be all over it. There is indeed a 12 pre/eq version (The 1228) - Not sure on the price though. Inquiring myself! would love to hear some pricing info when you get it! Thx |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 16, 2022 17:59:46 GMT -6
There is indeed a 12 pre/eq version (The 1228) - Not sure on the price though. Inquiring myself! would love to hear some pricing info when you get it! Thx Likewise |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 19, 2022 12:58:35 GMT -6
So after a bunch of back and forth talking ideas and modification options with Ted Fletcher and Paul Andersson, I think we landed on an option that will work for my studios purposes. Basically like how most folks use 19U channel strips, we want a version of the 828 with the output on 8 channels channels to be post fader/EQ.... Gives us the flexibility to do both tracking and mixing/summing on the desk! Final price... £2610 + £85 for Shipping. Alice 828 mk3 8 Channel Version with 8 mic/line channels modified for post fade/EQ outputs. How they build an 8 channel console by hand in the UK from UK sourced parts (only sourced part is the fiberglass board, which they populate by hand in the UK) with Class A pres utilizing OEP/Carnhill transformers on the input, with 8 channels of Class A EQ (Baxandall high and low, sweepable midband), a master section with a simple diode limiter and output transformers for that price, blows my mind. They have both been incredible helpful and thorough in their answers and ideas, and quick to respond to any questions. Proof will be in the final result, but knowing it can be modifited to post fader, its hard to imagine buying something like an SSL Big Six, when something like this exists. Not to mention its 8 channels... Price goes down if you want less channels (obviously). You could even do something like a 4 channel Mono Mic/Line and 4 stereo EQ version. the other mark williams and Tbone81 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 14:11:36 GMT -6
So after a bunch of back and forth talking ideas and modification options with Ted Fletcher and Paul Andersson, I think we landed on an option that will work for my studios purposes. Basically like how most folks use 19U channel strips, we want a version of the 828 with the output on 8 channels channels to be post fader/EQ.... Gives us the flexibility to do both tracking and mixing/summing on the desk! Final price... £2610 + £85 for Shipping. Alice 828 mk3 8 Channel Version with 8 mic/line channels modified for post fade/EQ outputs. How they build an 8 channel console by hand in the UK from UK sourced parts (only sourced part is the fiberglass board, which they populate by hand in the UK) with Class A pres utilizing OEP/Carnhill transformers on the input, with 8 channels of Class A EQ (Baxandall high and low, sweepable midband), a master section with a simple diode limiter and output transformers for that price, blows my mind. They have both been incredible helpful and thorough in their answers and ideas, and quick to respond to any questions. the other mark williams and Tbone81 They sell direct and there are no distributors and retailers with their hands in the pot. |
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Post by ragan on Dec 19, 2022 14:25:39 GMT -6
This seems really cool
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 19, 2022 14:26:05 GMT -6
So after a bunch of back and forth talking ideas and modification options with Ted Fletcher and Paul Andersson, I think we landed on an option that will work for my studios purposes. Basically like how most folks use 19U channel strips, we want a version of the 828 with the output on 8 channels channels to be post fader/EQ.... Gives us the flexibility to do both tracking and mixing/summing on the desk! Final price... £2610 + £85 for Shipping. Alice 828 mk3 8 Channel Version with 8 mic/line channels modified for post fade/EQ outputs. How they build an 8 channel console by hand in the UK from UK sourced parts (only sourced part is the fiberglass board, which they populate by hand in the UK) with Class A pres utilizing OEP/Carnhill transformers on the input, with 8 channels of Class A EQ (Baxandall high and low, sweepable midband), a master section with a simple diode limiter and output transformers for that price, blows my mind. They have both been incredible helpful and thorough in their answers and ideas, and quick to respond to any questions. Proof will be in the final result, but knowing it can be modifited to post fader, its hard to imagine buying something like an SSL Big Six, when something like this exists. Not to mention its 8 channels... Price goes down if you want less channels (obviously). You could even do something like a 4 channel Mono Mic/Line and 4 stereo EQ version. the other mark williams and Tbone81 This sounds pretty cool! I wonder how different it would be with more channels, but *no* mic preamps? If I were actually going to use it for summing, I would probably want more than 8 channels, but I would handle preamp duties with existing stuff I already have. I'm guessing the fact that they already have an 8-channel chassis is one of the reasons they're able to do it so relatively inexpensively. That's a pretty great price. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 19, 2022 14:32:33 GMT -6
How they build an 8 channel console by hand in the UK from UK sourced parts (only sourced part is the fiberglass board, which they populate by hand in the UK) with Class A pres utilizing OEP/Carnhill transformers on the input, with 8 channels of Class A EQ (Baxandall high and low, sweepable midband), a master section with a simple diode limiter and output transformers for that price, blows my mind. They have both been incredible helpful and thorough in their answers and ideas, and quick to respond to any questions. the other mark williams and Tbone81 They sell direct and there are no distributors and retailers with their hands in the pot. They do have one US retailer I think, and a handful in the UK... But for modified version, yes direct. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 19, 2022 14:37:41 GMT -6
This sounds pretty cool! I wonder how different it would be with more channels, but *no* mic preamps? If I were actually going to use it for summing, I would probably want more than 8 channels, but I would handle preamp duties with existing stuff I already have. I'm guessing the fact that they already have an 8-channel chassis is one of the reasons they're able to do it so relatively inexpensively. That's a pretty great price. They have a 12 channel chassis readily available, though it has pre amps. Seems like it wouldn't be hard to get one sans pres, swapped with the stereo EQ option on all 12. Could also get it without EQs on the channels if you wanted. Paul at Alice could certainly give you way more accurate and technical info than I can! Here is the standard 12 channel version -> ALICE 1228 |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 19, 2022 14:41:57 GMT -6
They sell direct and there are no distributors and retailers with their hands in the pot. They do have one US retailer I think, and a handful in the UK... But for modified version, yes direct. I went to the website of the one US retailer (Broadcast Depot) a few days ago after you started the thread, Jacob, and a search on their site returned nothing for either Alice or TFPro. They're not listed in the list of brands they carry, either. But I mean, hey, if they'll do direct, it doesn't really matter. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 19, 2022 14:49:43 GMT -6
So after a bunch of back and forth talking ideas and modification options with Ted Fletcher and Paul Andersson, I think we landed on an option that will work for my studios purposes. Basically like how most folks use 19U channel strips, we want a version of the 828 with the output on 8 channels channels to be post fader/EQ.... Gives us the flexibility to do both tracking and mixing/summing on the desk! Final price... £2610 + £85 for Shipping. Alice 828 mk3 8 Channel Version with 8 mic/line channels modified for post fade/EQ outputs. How they build an 8 channel console by hand in the UK from UK sourced parts (only sourced part is the fiberglass board, which they populate by hand in the UK) with Class A pres utilizing OEP/Carnhill transformers on the input, with 8 channels of Class A EQ (Baxandall high and low, sweepable midband), a master section with a simple diode limiter and output transformers for that price, blows my mind. They have both been incredible helpful and thorough in their answers and ideas, and quick to respond to any questions. Proof will be in the final result, but knowing it can be modifited to post fader, its hard to imagine buying something like an SSL Big Six, when something like this exists. Not to mention its 8 channels... Price goes down if you want less channels (obviously). You could even do something like a 4 channel Mono Mic/Line and 4 stereo EQ version. the other mark williams and Tbone81 This sounds pretty cool! I wonder how different it would be with more channels, but *no* mic preamps? If I were actually going to use it for summing, I would probably want more than 8 channels, but I would handle preamp duties with existing stuff I already have. I'm guessing the fact that they already have an 8-channel chassis is one of the reasons they're able to do it so relatively inexpensively. That's a pretty great price. The could most likely build an expander quite easily, but unless there was a pretty big price difference I would always suggest get it with the pre’s, you never know when a having a built in pre is going to come in handy. Plus Mark in your case as a guy who also does video a small high quality board would find use on set. I’m telling you man you buy one without pre’s your going to wish you had them! |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 19, 2022 14:51:34 GMT -6
This sounds pretty cool! I wonder how different it would be with more channels, but *no* mic preamps? If I were actually going to use it for summing, I would probably want more than 8 channels, but I would handle preamp duties with existing stuff I already have. I'm guessing the fact that they already have an 8-channel chassis is one of the reasons they're able to do it so relatively inexpensively. That's a pretty great price. The could most likely build an expander quite easily, but unless there was a pretty big price difference I would always suggest get it with the pre’s, you never know when a having a built in pre is going to come in handy. Plus Mark in your case as a guy who also does video a small high quality board would find use on set. I’m telling you man you buy one without pre’s your going to wish you had them! Yeah, that's a great point, Eric. EDIT: And I personally haven't had great luck finding small boards that are "decent sounding," and I'm guessing this one actually is quite good sounding. The small Mackies and Behringers are just crazy noisy to me. Occasionally I think about springing for a Speck of some kind, but just never end up pulling the trigger, as it were. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 19, 2022 15:08:16 GMT -6
The could most likely build an expander quite easily, but unless there was a pretty big price difference I would always suggest get it with the pre’s, you never know when a having a built in pre is going to come in handy. Plus Mark in your case as a guy who also does video a small high quality board would find use on set. I’m telling you man you buy one without pre’s your going to wish you had them! Yeah, that's a great point, Eric. EDIT: And I personally haven't had great luck finding small boards that are "decent sounding," and I'm guessing this one actually is quite good sounding. The small Mackies and Behringers are just crazy noisy to me. Occasionally I think about springing for a Speck of some kind, but just never end up pulling the trigger, as it were. There are a couple of very specialty builders whose stuff you will see occasionally on very high dollar shoots, but most of these I would find cumbersome in the studio. The problem with the little Mackie’s is that the first Gen 1604 was the only one designed to be knocked around. There are some rare Soundtracs Topaz and an even rarer Tascam take on the 1202 that were built better and sounded better. The problem with these today is most were sold as a cheap equivalent to a 1202 or 1402 and ended up in situations where they were treated like a Peavey ! |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 19, 2022 18:57:32 GMT -6
Yeah, that's a great point, Eric. EDIT: And I personally haven't had great luck finding small boards that are "decent sounding," and I'm guessing this one actually is quite good sounding. The small Mackies and Behringers are just crazy noisy to me. Occasionally I think about springing for a Speck of some kind, but just never end up pulling the trigger, as it were. Seems worth reaching out to Paul. He can give you all the details on the noise specs and so forth. For me, I was just looking for a simple console with some sonic character thats well built, and functional for our tracking purposes. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 19, 2022 19:05:57 GMT -6
Yeah, that's a great point, Eric. EDIT: And I personally haven't had great luck finding small boards that are "decent sounding," and I'm guessing this one actually is quite good sounding. The small Mackies and Behringers are just crazy noisy to me. Occasionally I think about springing for a Speck of some kind, but just never end up pulling the trigger, as it were. Seems worth reaching out to Paul. He can give you all the details on the noise specs and so forth. For me, I was just looking for a simple console with some sonic character thats well built, and functional for our tracking purposes. So, Jacob, are you thinking about using this as a summing mixer? Or as a front end / monitoring mixer? Or both? Or neither, but something else entirely? |
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