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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 5, 2014 14:33:37 GMT -6
Can anyone make a recommendation on a solid MADI card that can nicely handle AD/DA 16 inputs and 32 outputs at 24/96k? I'm looking at this RME, which i'm sure is stellar, along with it's digital interface, but $$$ damn!! www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdspe_madi.phpany advice is appreciated, this route is all new to me thanx T
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Post by popmann on Apr 5, 2014 15:58:20 GMT -6
I don't think there are choices beyond SSL and RME. It's one of those "never really made it to prime time" formats. The SSL is a lot cheaper. If you're monitoring off an analog desk, I'd go that route. I assume this is for the Orion because you don't trust USB? Or because it's limited at 96k by the MacOS?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 5, 2014 20:27:15 GMT -6
yes pop, i have 2 options in the pipeline as of now, the Orion32, and another set of converters i'm checking into, either way, the madi runs more stable. If i get an Orion32, i will try it with the USB2 chip 1st, it's supposed to run 32 channels @ 24/96K no problem on the mac osx platform, less tracks at higher reso's that i will almost certainly never use, unless i hear a diff for the better anyway? then it'll be madi for sure.
As far as monitoring, i'll probably be doing most of that from a stereo pair of Dac's off the 2nd capture daw.
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2014 23:08:13 GMT -6
I have the SSL MX4, which is a MADI DSP card which runs a virtual mixer and DSP plugs. The Mixtreme cards are not DSP and cannot run the mixer or DSP powered plugs.
If you are going MADI, why not look at the SSL converters?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 6, 2014 1:44:48 GMT -6
I have the SSL MX4, which is a MADI DSP card which runs a virtual mixer and DSP plugs. The Mixtreme cards are not DSP and cannot run the mixer or DSP powered plugs. If you are going MADI, why not look at the SSL converters? alpha link looks cool, just light about 8 channels, my board has 32 input channels, 8 stereo aux busses and the 2 buss
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 8, 2014 13:01:41 GMT -6
MADI is being replaced by AES67, RedNet, etc. which are EtherNet solutions. There are plenty of MADI adaptors but over the next few months there is about to be a whole new generation of everything related to multi-channel digital connectivity.
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Post by popmann on Apr 8, 2014 16:17:46 GMT -6
MADI never took off...RedNET is simply another stab at what too few care about--high def multichannel interconnectivity. The advantage is that ethernet cables are cheap and have a longer run...
That said, and I KNOW Tony doesn't care what I think...if I were going to be mixing on a desk and outboard, I'd just get a RADAR and STFU. If the budget isn't there for that...there are way too many inexpensive 16x and Auroras around that are a PCIe AES card away from turning a cheap ass computer into a 16x32 digital "deck". I literally don't think converters are getting better. We're done, boys and girls--which is why Burl and JCF represent the way forward, IMO--if you don't want to throw everything through what equates to a Mackie circuit...they address the problem with PCM conversion--the analog front end. And I guess I should put "problem" in quotes. There are people who love that sound. I am not one. I can deal with it...and have...
I bought the Burl simply because of my personal goals as an ARTIST/player--to be utterly digitally agnostic. I fear the market is going to shit and I want to be able to track "my sound" to any double rate PCM thing I can find--be it an iPad or a SSD laptop...or some little hardware unit that might be made with shitty IO (but having a digital IO)...and I like the non linear response. I grew up with that--hit it harder for something than others...have it respond differently (intentionally)...and because I've spent too long getting to where I'm OK with digital mixing to go back. Analog IS easier to get to sound good, IME. But, I've put in the woodshed time to be able to produce mixes I'm happy with completely digitally. To that end, I have mixes up right now of my new stuff--and the amount of third party DSP is really limited and has really nuanced impact. Which means that I could pull the tracks into Logic or Auria on an iPad--and have basically the same thing. Reverb is still hardware. That's the fly in my ointment. But, that's what I'm working towards. Whether I'm tracking for ME...or doing an overdub guitar or Hammond or EP or bass--whatever for someone else, I can pull the 15 year old PC out of the closet and do it--sounds the same.
That's my way of dealing with the fact that engineers no longer drive the market--get OK with using whatever "new market engineer" driven consumer system is around. Give me good INPUT...solid DA/monitoring...the rest I'm negotiable on.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 8, 2014 18:17:28 GMT -6
MADI never took off...RedNET is simply another stab at what too few care about--high def multichannel interconnectivity. The advantage is that ethernet cables are cheap and have a longer run... That said, and I KNOW Tony doesn't care what I think...if I were going to be mixing on a desk and outboard, I'd just get a RADAR and STFU. If the budget isn't there for that...there are way too many inexpensive 16x and Auroras around that are a PCIe AES card away from turning a cheap ass computer into a 16x32 digital "deck". Why would you say that? I totally respect what you have to say pop, don't be weird bro, and don't BS us, you will never STFU lol! Kidding aside, i really think you know your shit, I've learned a lot from your long winded pervasive, underachieving...?? I considered an Adat HDR24 w/jim williams mods for the reasons you say, but i still want some of the automation/plugin things that are available on a daw bad enough to keep me away, it's hybrid for me all the way.
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Post by svart on Apr 8, 2014 22:59:28 GMT -6
I did the "tape deck" to disk thing with an old mx2424. Sure, it worked, but i realized it held me back too, besides it being an unreliable hunk of shit.. anyway, i went daw thinking i would use that until i figured something out that was better.. and never did. Hybrid is the way to go and don't let anyone say otherwise. When they do, they are just making excuses for their own biases.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 2:20:57 GMT -6
I still think you should just ball out with a symphony with a pair of 16x16io cards in it plus the thunderbridge. Oh, and a Mac Mini cuz your mac pro predates thunderbolt :-P that would be 32x32 tho...
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