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Post by RealNoob on Sept 17, 2020 21:40:53 GMT -6
I just paid a visit to a local large church. They do everything to the n-th degree. They run a Midas Pro9 for sound. They run an ATEM 4 with a control panel and 15-20 video signals between cameras, graphics, etc. They stream 720P. They presently have a hodge podge of cameras but are working to a complete BMD system. They currently have a proposal in process for URSA broadcast cameras and operate 2 Pocket Cinema Cams for non-live scenarios.
I visited another large church 2 weeks ago. They have a ATEM 4 and run BMD Studio Cameras. They don't have the cash for URSA cams and bought Studio cams when they came out. They are moving to BMD Cinema Cams as able as the Cinema Cams do much better with low light performance.
Bethel church in CA is a beast with production. Here is a video about their rigging. They use URSA mini pro cameras.
We are presently moving forward on this: • ATEM Mini Pro - using now, is only HDMI • Buying a Pocket Cinema 4K for the great sensor, with Metabones speed booster, HDMI out • We still will use a few other cameras
Moving forward, we have to decide if we will use URSA or Cinema cams. For now, we have decided on: • Pocket Cinema Cams (provide near-URSA results) • Metabones adaptors/speed boosters • Existing Nikon lenses • Panasonic 12-35 2.8 constant • ATEM Mini pro
We will updating our office into a studio and will use: • Pocket Cinema Cams • ATEM Television Studio 4K console • Converters for cams to get to SDI • Hyperdeck for capture and publication • Smartview Monitor
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 18, 2020 19:37:16 GMT -6
Got both cameras and lenses in the mail today. Also ordered an ATEM ISO, some cards, cables, tripods, new hard drive, monitor...got about half the gear in the mail now. Hosting a live stream tomorrow at 7:30 with The Gobshites. They were initially planning to use a Webcam. But more complex now, but should be cool. Hopefully I can pull out all off tomorrow. 😂😂
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Post by Guitar on Sept 19, 2020 9:10:22 GMT -6
That's exciting! I want to see it when it's done.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 28, 2020 8:44:15 GMT -6
This weekend I was a host for the Boston Local Music Festival. I hosted 5 bands in studio for a live stream. Here are a couple samples... This was my soundcheck with my intern. Everything felt way too blue. After this check, I changed the white balance on the cameras from auto to (shade - I think). This definitely helped get the colors better and the room brighter in the shots. Soundcheck with my intern - Wright - Acoustic Punk - www.facebook.com/themixinghouse/videos/371409514263538Then for the actual show - cameras looking better... Here is the show link - Bands are timestamped below - Greg Roy - Reggae - 1:03:00 Triheart - Lofi, Gameboy, Violin, Rap - 2:53:00 Shotgun Waltz - Rockabilly Crossover? - 4:41:00 Myth Is King - Bluesy Rockabilly Crossover maybe? - 6:55:00 We Demand Parachutes - Modern Pop/Synth/Punk - 9:00:00 - *They had their own sound guy running the board I'm definitely having trouble with my wide shot still. Pretty happy with my tight shot. I feel like my cell does a pretty decent job of capturing a wide shot with everything focused and a decent amount of brightness, but I'm struggling with the cam. I'm using the Sony kit lens - 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 for the wide shot. If I grabbed a lens that was a f/1.8 or something (like my tight shot), that would help the brightness, but I would run into focus issues right?
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Post by Guitar on Sept 28, 2020 8:53:45 GMT -6
You would have a smaller depth of field, and a smaller zone of focus also, but more light, yes. If you're trying to capture a big scene with people moving around I'm not sure how well a wide aperture would work. If there is a single stationary subject you might get it to work. The background will be blurry of course. You might want to crank up the ISO a bit, this is what I usually have to do for these kinds of shots. At some point the higher ISO's will be adding noise, but it's better than not getting a good shot. Something I've screwed up before. If you're not getting a good exposure then you're screwing your shot. If that means cranking up the ISO, then you just have to do it sometimes. You could also add more light in the room if it's feasible. Maybe your cameras are really good at low light, I don't know, some are better than others. I know my GH4 personally struggles with this. The full frame sensor cameras have an advantage here. They are usually more expensive and bigger.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 2, 2020 15:15:38 GMT -6
Reposting this here. I’m doing my first streaming concert on this Saturday night and began testing my setup today. I had originally planned to stream directly from my iPhone using my simple Yamaha M G10XU live board as a sound card and the zoom iOS app. To do that I picked up an Apple Lightning to USB3 Camera Adapter: www.amazon.com/dp/B01F7KJDIM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_2l0NFbJD8ERNS?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1WEarly test recordings through the Apple Video app were promising. It also worked well on a simple Facebook Live stream. The show organizers are using Zoom webinar, so I tested it using Zoom today expecting to tweak some levels and some lighting. I discovered quickly that the Zoom app for iOS does not stream out in stereo. You can only stream out in mono via your iPhone. According to their website you can stream in stereo on their desk top client. There were some instructions and info about it on Zoom's site: support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115004830406-Enabling-stereo-audioSo I immediately start plan B. The onboard camera on my iMac is meh. Doing some research I found some promising info about OBS, a free program that helps with the streaming process and even allows use of your iPhone as a web camera (there is a cost to do that of $15). I had seen the below video before and decided to check out OBS. This video is actually where I discovered the apple lightning to usb3 adapter. I was able to get the video and audio working. Using my iPhone as a webcam via OBS causes a delay in the video, which I was able to compensate for in the audio settings using a small audio delay. I got it to where I felt it was passable. Using the information in this next video I was able to route the video and audio output of OBS into Zoom. Then I went to Zoom's site and enabled stereo sound per the instructions in this video: The only problem is I'm not getting the option on the desk top client. I've logged out and back in per their help article I'm kind of shaking my head how to make this work now. I can broadcast via Facebook and other clients, but Zoom will not give me a stereo out. Anyone have any idea?
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 3, 2020 6:09:34 GMT -6
I still can’t seem to get the zoom desktop client to give me the option for stereo despite having set it up correctly on their web portal. It’s not the end of the world, it’s just disappointing. I guess I’ll just need to rethink my mixing for mono. It’s just a pain to do with a bunch of stereo tracks.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2020 6:30:55 GMT -6
I still can’t seem to get the zoom desktop client to give me the option for stereo despite having set it up correctly on their web portal. It’s not the end of the world, it’s just disappointing. I guess I’ll just need to rethink my mixing for mono. It’s just a pain to do with a bunch of stereo tracks. Are you on a Mac? If you'd like, I can jump on a zoom with you and try to walk you through it.
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Post by drbill on Nov 3, 2020 9:04:25 GMT -6
You guys are BRAVE!! This stuff makes my head hurt.....
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 3, 2020 9:47:14 GMT -6
I still can’t seem to get the zoom desktop client to give me the option for stereo despite having set it up correctly on their web portal. It’s not the end of the world, it’s just disappointing. I guess I’ll just need to rethink my mixing for mono. It’s just a pain to do with a bunch of stereo tracks. Are you on a Mac? If you'd like, I can jump on a zoom with you and try to walk you through it. I am on Mac. I think I finally found it buried in a sub menu and not where zoom’s instructions say it should be, or any of the tutorials I’ve seen.. I’m at my office now on a PC, but I’ll check and see if I can get it working in my studio this evening. I know where this sub menu is now. If not, I will gladly take you up on your offer.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 3, 2020 10:05:57 GMT -6
For those curious and/or having the same issue; After enabling Stereo Audio in the web client, launch the desktop client, go to Settings, Audio, Advanced Settings, click "Show in-meeting option to "Enable Original Sound" from microphone," click Use Stereo Audio.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 4, 2020 9:15:07 GMT -6
Looks like I've got it working now.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 7, 2020 17:32:08 GMT -6
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Post by teejay on Dec 14, 2020 9:57:51 GMT -6
Thanks for all of the info here. Was going to say I'm looking to dip my toe in the water, but it's more like baptism by fire. Investigating doing a small streaming Christmas gig. Downloaded OBS over the weekend, and finding numerous challenges around how it captures audio from my RME Multiface II, audio bit rate and video resolution/buffering, and the fact that it sounds a whole lot better directly from the interface and PC accompaniment playback vs. using an external soundboard...which would be so much easier.
Forging ahead, but not a lot of time to figure everything out. And that's not including backdrop, camera setup, lighting, equipment positioning, rehearsal, and test recording the concert a few times to identify issues.
Gaining much admiration for you guys who have figured this out and are executing.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 16, 2020 0:35:55 GMT -6
Not a stream, but here's a video I produced. The wide shot that opens was shot live. The rest of the angles were overdubs. All shot with the A6100 and Sony 50mm lens.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 16, 2020 1:43:38 GMT -6
Not a stream, but here's a video I produced. The wide shot that opens was shot live. The rest of the angles were overdubs. All shot with the A6100 and Sony 50mm lens. Looks great, Jesse! Nice image quality! And the audio sounds great, too!
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Post by wiz on Dec 16, 2020 2:07:16 GMT -6
Awesome
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 16, 2020 2:30:09 GMT -6
Yup, very well done!, very visceral!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 16, 2020 6:31:32 GMT -6
Yup, very well done!, very visceral! This kid is a really talented dude. 20 years old with a bright future. Punk music is really his thing and I think it really comes through in his rendition. He had a college internship at my studio over the summer too and was immensely helpful.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 16, 2020 6:35:38 GMT -6
Yup, a good creative cover, loved his guitar intro and then his groove during verse!
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Post by teejay on Dec 16, 2020 10:36:17 GMT -6
Ran my first real test last night with an external viewer (my daughter). I've got 16mbps upstream so I should be able to run 6000kbps for the video stream, but I think my PC is the issue. I'm still running Windows 7 (if it ain't broke...) and my machine is about five years old now, so I think between my CPU and the video card there are processing issues. OBS shows a great connection (as does YouTube), but the video is fluctuating anywhere from 6000+ down to less than 100, and in fact its even hit 0. The stream color indicator in OBS is about equal green/yellow, with some red at times. Doesn't seem like the audio is being affected, and there was no heavy buffering or drops...at least during that test. Not sure I've optimized OBS, and running out of time to do a lot of experimentation. Tried reducing the video to less than 5000 but YouTube tells me its not receiving adequate data to avoid issues.
Was planning to run two video cameras to fade between, but wondering now if that is contributing to the taxing of the CPU. Other issues could be that I was running the YouTube Live dashboard from the same PC and it was trying to show me the video in the dashboard, as well as the fact that I'm running the accompaniment tracks off of my PC (Windows Media Player). The tracks sound so much better that way than running out of the mixer. The downside is I don't hear the balance of music to vocals as it is being streamed.
I'm starting to think this attempt will be the quintessential representation of everything 2020! At least after this past year people will have more understanding for the inevitable technical issues. ;-)
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Post by teejay on Dec 16, 2020 15:36:04 GMT -6
Question for you streamers:
I use pre-recorded tracks for my accompaniment. License-wise I am free to use them for live performance, but any recordings with the tracks are subject to licensing fees from the track supplier. Was looking at YouTube, but am reading about them shutting things off mid-stream if they think there is a violation. I'm not sure if YouTube will view my live performance as some type of violation (not knowing the licensing allowance of the track supplier for live performance), but more importantly, if the archive of the live stream they automatically keep is then a violation since it is a recording. I don't want it recorded or archived. I see where I can designate that the archive be kept private...and it only exists for 12 hours...but it is being recorded nonetheless.
Don't want copyright issues, and more importantly, don't want the live session shut down mid-stream. I'm eventually going to record most, if not all and will pay the fees. However, I wasn't prepared to do so in the next few days, and I'm not sure even if I did how I would convey those rights to YouTube. I was planning for a few days from now.
Should I be avoiding YouTube for this? Had thought of FB, but not everyone has an account and they may do the same. Hoping not to have to pay to stream live.
Thanks.
Todd
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 16, 2020 23:34:04 GMT -6
You guys need to check out Beastgrip if you haven't already. Some very creative solutions for getting a level up from phones and such. I've got a DOF MK1 and MK2 as well. Examples of MK1 with a ~$100 eBay-purchased Nikkon lens and the FILMiC Pro app can be seen here with a video I shot for an older song of ours (I'm remixing). Beastgrip has an app as well which I bought but haven't had a chance to dig into. I found them as a Kickstarter several years ago. They make a ton of useful stuff. Also check out Revolve Camera. Automation gear that's totally affordable and does the job. Edit: link 2nd Edit: Sorry, I'm drunk. 3rd Edit: Jesus H. Should have mentioned filmed on an iPhone SE 1st Gen (same guts as the iPhone 6)
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Post by mulmany on Dec 17, 2020 7:47:05 GMT -6
Question for you streamers: I use pre-recorded tracks for my accompaniment. License-wise I am free to use them for live performance, but any recordings with the tracks are subject to licensing fees from the track supplier. Was looking at YouTube, but am reading about them shutting things off mid-stream if they think there is a violation. I'm not sure if YouTube will view my live performance as some type of violation (not knowing the licensing allowance of the track supplier for live performance), but more importantly, if the archive of the live stream they automatically keep is then a violation since it is a recording. I don't want it recorded or archived. I see where I can designate that the archive be kept private...and it only exists for 12 hours...but it is being recorded nonetheless. Don't want copyright issues, and more importantly, don't want the live session shut down mid-stream. I'm eventually going to record most, if not all and will pay the fees. However, I wasn't prepared to do so in the next few days, and I'm not sure even if I did how I would convey those rights to YouTube. I was planning for a few days from now. Should I be avoiding YouTube for this? Had thought of FB, but not everyone has an account and they may do the same. Hoping not to have to pay to stream live. Thanks. Todd In OBS you can check the logs and see what is going on. OBS is a CPU intensive program. There are some new settings in the latest version for network optimization. I would not monitor YT on the same pc as OBS.
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Post by teejay on Dec 17, 2020 22:17:59 GMT -6
Thank you so much for the info. I was able to make some changes and I think I've got it running pretty good. Not perfect, but doable. Reduced the bitrate for video from 6000 to 3500 as well. Not sure what is optimal for that, as there were still occasional glitches, but overall was much better for my daughter on the other end. Also went ahead and put everything through the mixer (emergency CD player = old DVD player through EQ on the board), and that seemed to really help. CPU is now running at about 12% instead of 50+. Upload mostly "green". Figured as long as I'm going to all the work, I might as well do two nights: Tuesday/Wednesday. Also inviting a bunch of people...we'll see if that turns out to be a good idea! Here's a pic of my setup. What a way to break in the REDD!
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