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Post by craigmorris74 on Aug 13, 2020 13:40:52 GMT -6
I thought between all of us we could create a comprehensive tape sim comparison thread. We could start with unprocessed drum, bass, guitar and vocal tracks, and process them with our different tape sim hardwre and software. For example, I could volunteer, the Sounskulptor TS500, IK Tape, and Kramer Tape. I think our other member could cover the other notable suspects (RND, ZULU, Bereich03, Anamod, softare options).
Any interest?
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 13, 2020 13:44:20 GMT -6
Following. I can provide a vocal track.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 13, 2020 14:14:48 GMT -6
I thought between all of us we could create a comprehensive tape sim comparison thread. We could start with unprocessed drum, bass, guitar and vocal tracks, and process them with our different tape sim hardwre and software. For example, I could volunteer, the Sounskulptor TS500, IK Tape, and Kramer Tape. I think our other member could cover the other notable suspects (RND, ZULU, Bereich03, Anamod, softare options). Any interest? Fun. Stereo drum bus?
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Post by Quint on Aug 13, 2020 16:05:42 GMT -6
I'd be down to do the Bereichs.
Honestly, there's a pretty great comparison thread over on the purple site that has a bunch of drum mix comparisons use the Bereich at different settings. The original clip is there also. That might work as a good clip to use for running through other tape sims.
We could just drag those Bereich samples over here from there. I wouldn't really being doing anything different from what was already done there.
Some guitar, bass and vocals would be cool too though. Also, stereo mix.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 13, 2020 16:14:35 GMT -6
What is Bereichs? Edit: found it
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Post by Quint on Aug 13, 2020 16:18:57 GMT -6
What is Bereichs? Edit: found it There's a video link of them in action in the Roger Mayer 456 thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 16:32:51 GMT -6
U-he Satin is by far the best plugin I’ve tried but takes a while to configure. Then Softube Tape and the free Variety of Sound FerricTDS but those are more special effects.
The Slate and Overloud tape sims are aliased and 2d.
I can post some raw tracks of what I’m currently working on with Satin and FerricTDS this weekend. I usually delete all stems and multitracks when it’s done.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 14, 2020 6:42:13 GMT -6
For me it's UAD and Softube Tape till the cows come home. I also just got the Black Rooster Magnetite and I have some airwindows I've never even opened. If someone decides on some clips maybe I could do the little processing.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 14, 2020 8:29:04 GMT -6
I use UAD Studer A800 on vocal and solo instrument tracks. I love Kramer Tape on the Master Buss. I'll use Slate here and there as well, but only when something is not working. I enjoyed playing around with a Rupert Neve 542 at jtc111's place. I have no experience with real tape machines myself, except the few times I did session vocals at studios who recorded me on it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 14, 2020 9:28:16 GMT -6
I find that I was conflating the sound of tape with the sound of hardware transformers.
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Post by Quint on Aug 14, 2020 9:53:09 GMT -6
I think a shootout like this will be useful for helping to show which of the hardware tape sims get closest to real tape. That being said, I doubt any of these are going to prove to be some sort of holy grail. I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that though.
Either way, considering that "tape" sound means a ton of different things to a ton of different people, in no small part based on the fact that even real tape machines can sound very different from one another depending on model and calibration, I'm just hoping to see which of these hardware tape sims provide saturation and instantaneous compression in the most tape-like fashion.
Those are the two things that appeal to me about tape the most, so I'm most interested in figuring out which of them do those two things the best. I don't necessarily need it to be a 100% spot on recreation of tape, though that would be cool if any of them were.
Considering that the future of tape production is dubious, at best, and that nobody makes the machines anymore, I've pretty much moved on from that "ideal" and just want a hardware sim that does similar saturation and instantaneous compression. I'll say this, I'm liking what I'm hearing so far from the Bereich Density.
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Post by ragan on Aug 14, 2020 10:37:08 GMT -6
Softube Tape replaced everything else for me. I like it a lot.
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Post by jamiesego on Aug 14, 2020 12:09:12 GMT -6
I’m down to run some stuff through Neve 542’s or 3M M79.
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Post by deehope on Aug 14, 2020 13:02:44 GMT -6
that free one, chow dsp is getting a lot of good feedback.
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Post by deehope on Aug 14, 2020 13:04:19 GMT -6
Softube Tape replaced everything else for me. I like it a lot. how did it compare to the IK? both sound and resource wise?
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Post by Quint on Aug 14, 2020 13:06:34 GMT -6
I’m down to run some stuff through Neve 542’s or 3M M79. The M79 would be really cool.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 14, 2020 15:37:28 GMT -6
U-he Satin is by far the best plugin I’ve tried but takes a while to configure. Then Softube Tape and the free Variety of Sound FerricTDS but those are more special effects. The Slate and Overloud tape sims are aliased and 2d. I can post some raw tracks of what I’m currently working on with Satin and FerricTDS this weekend. I usually delete all stems and multitracks when it’s done.
Can't complain about the Slate VTM. I still like it and it sounds a lot like my favorite records to my ear.
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Post by craigmorris74 on Aug 14, 2020 16:00:32 GMT -6
Thanks for all the replies. I can record a some drums, bass and guitar that we can use as our source material, if that's what you guys want to do, or if someone wants to provide some tracks, that's fine with me too.
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Post by notneeson on Aug 14, 2020 16:50:27 GMT -6
I find that I was conflating the sound of tape with the sound of hardware transformers. I haven't done very scientific tests, but— having tracked to an Ampex MM1200 (many times) but dumping takes to pro tools immediately I had the chance to go back and forth between input mode and repro mode on the same material, within a very close span of time, I have to say there's a lot to this. I have had tape fanatic friends assume some of my work was to tape when it was just 100% transformer balanced pres direct to Pro Tools. There is a "tape like" cohesion that is maybe not so much about tape but about the sound of iron.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 14, 2020 17:29:19 GMT -6
I find that I was conflating the sound of tape with the sound of hardware transformers. I haven't done very scientific tests, but— having tracked to an Ampex MM1200 (many times) but dumping takes to pro tools immediately I had the chance to go back and forth between input mode and repro mode on the same material, within a very close span of time, I have to say there's a lot to this. I have had tape fanatic friends assume some of my work was to tape when it was just 100% transformer balanced pres direct to Pro Tools. There is a "tape like" cohesion that is maybe not so much about tape but about the sound of iron.
Interesting information a very similar assumption I heard from a German producer about 12 years ago but I did not give a s. about it. Is not the Anamod based on transformers?
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Post by notneeson on Aug 14, 2020 17:55:11 GMT -6
I haven't done very scientific tests, but— having tracked to an Ampex MM1200 (many times) but dumping takes to pro tools immediately I had the chance to go back and forth between input mode and repro mode on the same material, within a very close span of time, I have to say there's a lot to this. I have had tape fanatic friends assume some of my work was to tape when it was just 100% transformer balanced pres direct to Pro Tools. There is a "tape like" cohesion that is maybe not so much about tape but about the sound of iron.
Interesting information a very similar assumption I heard from a German producer about 12 years ago but I did not give a s. about it. Is not the Anamod based on transformers?
Not clear on your question. I was tracking to tape, not a sim. The input amplifiers on an Ampex M1200 are transformer balanced, so my point is that even when the tape is not in the signal path the sound of that machine's electronics puts a cohesive stamp on the audio.
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Post by Quint on Aug 14, 2020 19:44:10 GMT -6
I haven't done very scientific tests, but— having tracked to an Ampex MM1200 (many times) but dumping takes to pro tools immediately I had the chance to go back and forth between input mode and repro mode on the same material, within a very close span of time, I have to say there's a lot to this. I have had tape fanatic friends assume some of my work was to tape when it was just 100% transformer balanced pres direct to Pro Tools. There is a "tape like" cohesion that is maybe not so much about tape but about the sound of iron.
Interesting information a very similar assumption I heard from a German producer about 12 years ago but I did not give a s. about it. Is not the Anamod based on transformers?
No transformers in the Anamod.
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 15, 2020 0:14:14 GMT -6
Transformers in ZULU, though.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 15, 2020 6:46:09 GMT -6
I forgot, I have all the IK ones too. They just don't get pulled up a lot because of the massive processing power hit.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 15, 2020 7:27:19 GMT -6
drbillFor those who used a lot of tape is not every setup sounding different? Meaning: Even if the tape sims are close, they all can be very different? What tape sound is for person A it is not for Person B?
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