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Post by sirthought on Jul 24, 2020 14:15:36 GMT -6
Curious if you ever run into mixing situations where you are happy with what you hear in the DAW (Logic in my case), but the stereo wav print somehow sounds different. I've been trying to employ more use of M/S compression on drum bus and mix bus, to add some excitement and depth. Weirdly, the wav seems to not hold up the same as in the DAW.
I'm using a UAD Manley Variable Mu on the drum bus, which really sounds exciting in M/S mode. Kick drum is not going through this, going straight to the mix bus.
I have a Mäag Magnum K on the mix bus, not compressing, but I've got just 1.5 dB boost of 10k air band on the sides. And I'm using the built in stereo widener set to 130%.
In the DAW it really seems to separate things beautifully. It's not terrible in the print, but the dynamic seems more flat. Not sure if I'm describing it right, honestly. Hard to put words to some of this.
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 24, 2020 15:14:44 GMT -6
That's easy to verify. Import the WAV into a track, flip the phase, and you should get total silence, unless you are using analog inserts or plugins that randomize things.
I use Logic myself, never run into a problem. How are you listening to the WAV?
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Post by sirthought on Jul 24, 2020 22:10:43 GMT -6
I'm listening to the WAV just through normal Core Audio or I guess QuickTime Preview mode. I didn't load it into iTunes or anything like that. So I guess fairly vanilla.
I have never tried the phase flip idea. Maybe I'll try that. Thanks.
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 25, 2020 3:17:15 GMT -6
Make sure your master/output is not clipping, and make sure you are listening at the exact same volume through the same interface output. I think you'll find the sound is the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2020 11:15:53 GMT -6
Yeah don’t mix hot. You don’t want intersample overs at any step of the project. Check your dither settings too.
It also might be an issue with Logic given that Logic has broken automation and plugin delay compensation. You’re using a UAD plugin and they all have latency that needs to be compensated for. Apple isn’t interested in fixing the automation, plugin delay compensation, and fader quantization to MIDI CC values. Automation distorts and latent plugins are uncompensated for. You can read more about it on other forums like Logic Pro Help and Gearslutz music computers. UAD plugins will all cause problems. The ultimate solution is to not mix in Logic until they are fixed.
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Post by christopher on Jul 26, 2020 12:32:34 GMT -6
I always do print in floating point 32bit. All stems 32bit. Seems extremely stupid but I don’t get that “it’s not the same” feeling anymore. I really couldn’t shake it, it never went away, years and years until 32bit.. or 64 if I really don’t trust the software engineers. Monitor in analog... loopback and capture monitor sends is what I try to do now though.
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Post by stormymondays on Jul 26, 2020 14:55:22 GMT -6
There is a long-standing bug with Logic automation but Logic is very far from being “broken”, no matter how loud some people complain in other forums.
In any case, it’s irrelevant for this question. If the automation is broken, it’s broken all the time: in the session and in the print.
I hope Apple will fix that bug too, so the people affected can mix confidently. And me too! I like to trust the software 100% and that’s not happening with Logic even if the bug is not affecting me.
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