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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 2, 2014 9:50:20 GMT -6
Sound? I don't want to open up a "which is better" debate - just your opinion on what has taken your sound to the next level.
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Post by nico on Apr 2, 2014 10:06:16 GMT -6
Well...our new studio , regarding gear: ATC ASL110 Pro soffit-mounted monitoring = O...M...G..., detail, precision of stereo-image, depth, changed everything for me. Control room has been built around these monitors, and the acoustician knows them pretty well, result is mindblowing. Only thing I would say is: be afraid to listen to your old mixes on these ones :0 If "your" sound was meant as personal instrument sound, then I'd say my trusted AEA R84 microphone on altosax Selmer Mark VI 1958, an alliance made up there
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 2, 2014 11:01:54 GMT -6
No - I meant it how you first took it...What piece of equipment has benefitted you the most.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 2, 2014 11:12:45 GMT -6
my diy custom built drum kit is my crowning achievement sonically, my 72 jazz bass is a plugnplay no brainer to boot. I know, thats 2
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Post by nico on Apr 2, 2014 11:18:35 GMT -6
my diy custom built drum kit is my crowning achievement sonically, my 72 jazz bass is a plugnplay no brainer to boot. I know, thats 2 haha had the same here, was about to do a list...so damn hard for gearheads to keep it at 1, like kids in a candystore 72 jazzbass: like the sound of that can somebody say purrrrrrrrrrr
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Post by nico on Apr 2, 2014 11:26:15 GMT -6
No - I meant it how you first took it...What piece of equipment has benefitted you the most. Oh right: mmm...still the ATC's, it's like a super audio "lens" for all the other gear I have What about you, mister admin? regards, Nico
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Post by matt on Apr 2, 2014 11:30:49 GMT -6
It's hard to isolate just one thing, so here's two:
1. Cathedral Pipes Notre Dame 2. Beyer MC930 x2
Honorable mention goes to:
1. Burl B2 (A/D and D/A) 2. my new-to-me Martin HD-28
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Post by svart on Apr 2, 2014 11:39:43 GMT -6
Without a doubt the best piece of studio gear for me was the patchbay system. It doesn't give a sound per se, but it allows me so much more flexibility that I've found ways to patch equipment to invent new sounds that I like.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 2, 2014 11:41:23 GMT -6
It's hard to isolate just one thing, so here's two: 1. Cathedral Pipes Notre Dame 2. Beyer MC930 x2 Honorable mention goes to: 1. Burl B2 (A/D and D/A) 2. my new-to-me Martin HD-28 lol! thats 4! cant wait to watch this morph martin! nice matt
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Post by popmann on Apr 2, 2014 11:54:02 GMT -6
Monitors. mk1 624s. For the first time in ANY studio, I could mix and it translated perfectly elsewhere. No "learning"....that actually is a bullshit construct of people working with or selling shitty monitors--even ones, IME, that cost WAY the F more money. I brought a stack of CDs--both my work and others to listen for very specific "translation challenges"--the 624s were the only monitors sub $2k in the store that reveal each and ever problem/quality. I literally couldn't believe that with a $2k budget, I walked out with a $8-900 set of powered speakers...but, they were simply teh best at revealing every nuanced flaw. Which is the ONLY point of mix monitors for me. I HATE to listen to music on them--you'd be AMAZED how fucking awful a lot of stuff sounds when you can hear it like that...my stereo speakers/amp cost a good bit more--and NICELY smooth all that over for a better listening experience--the only point in STEREO speakers. That's why I'm always weirded out by people who say they only listen to music on their studio monitors and/or judge studio monitors on how good (and detailed) they make commercial music sound...it's like saying the only time you appreciate vaginas is in stirrups with speculum for a better view....sorry-I feel bad about not having a gender reversed or neutral equivalent...but...
Then others are more with qualifiers....doubling the sample rate fixed the "weird" that was CREATED by switching to digital tracking/mixing all in one fell swoop...the Royer 121 does wonders for amp recordings that were utterly an completely not needed prior to digital tracking....so, those things are things that made a big difference--but only because something previously was functionally different. I was fine with a 421 to 456 for decades--never even thought to explore "better" cause it was "fine"....until 24bit PCM came home with me and it actually was NOT "fine"...
Back to monitors--the whole "good mixes can be done on all kinds of monitors" is from an era where tracks were made with someone in the control room listening and adjusting based on he full range mains--there was no PROBLEM to fix in the mix--it was simply about setting some balances and pans--I can "mix" great recorded tracks pretty well in headphones. But, I can't record (track) AND mix....AND master...with inferior monitoring. Someone....somewhere has to have honesty--that used to be the mains in the control room during tracking...now, with people recording at home without experience and lousy small rooms and monitors that "sound good" playing some CD they like with inferior mics...and 44.1...I'm saying--there's more sonic "fixing" in the mix than what mixing used to be. Propenents of mixing o nthe NS10s ALSO had the mains to flip to if they needed the speculum perspective of something momentarily. That actually rarely meant you do mixes with ONLY NS10s. It meant those were the speakers for 90% of the mix....Aurotone and mains were always used for what they brought to the table. I brefily had a second set of little computer speakers hooked up to flip to--but they simply didn't add value. I've learned--make it sound the best you can on the 624s and it will sound the best it can on some other system. The downside is that for most playaback systems, I work too hard. I've long crossed teh line of "can't tell the difference" on my (relatively nice) stereo system....and on a computer speakers? Forget about it. I mix on the 624s-periodically engaging headphones for the "speculum plus halogen light" view.
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Post by mulmany on Apr 2, 2014 12:00:44 GMT -6
I am hoping it will be my RM Superbeast DAC, whenever it shows up!
At the moment its my CAPI pres. Just sounds like what I hear in my head. There is just something that I really like regardless of which mics I am using.
Patrick
Sent from my SCH-I800 using Tapatalk 2
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 2, 2014 12:21:44 GMT -6
Monitors. mk1 624s. For the first time in ANY studio, I could mix and it translated perfectly elsewhere. No "learning"....that actually is a bullshit construct of people working with or selling shitty monitors--even ones, IME, that cost WAY the F more money. I brought a stack of CDs--both my work and others to listen for very specific "translation challenges"--the 624s were the only monitors sub $2k in the store that reveal each and ever problem/quality. I literally couldn't believe that with a $2k budget, I walked out with a $8-900 set of powered speakers...but, they were simply teh best at revealing every nuanced flaw. Which is the ONLY point of mix monitors for me. I HATE to listen to music on them--you'd be AMAZED how fucking awful a lot of stuff sounds when you can hear it like that...my stereo speakers/amp cost a good bit more--and NICELY smooth all that over for a better listening experience--the only point in STEREO speakers. That's why I'm always weirded out by people who say they only listen to music on their studio monitors and/or judge studio monitors on how good (and detailed) they make commercial music sound...it's like saying the only time you appreciate vaginas is in stirrups with speculum for a better view....sorry-I feel bad about not having a gender reversed or neutral equivalent...but... Then others are more with qualifiers....doubling the sample rate fixed the "weird" that was CREATED by switching to digital tracking/mixing all in one fell swoop...the Royer 121 does wonders for amp recordings that were utterly an completely not needed prior to digital tracking....so, those things are things that made a big difference--but only because something previously was functionally different. I was fine with a 421 to 456 for decades--never even thought to explore "better" cause it was "fine"....until 24bit PCM came home with me and it actually was NOT "fine"... Back to monitors--the whole "good mixes can be done on all kinds of monitors" is from an era where tracks were made with someone in the control room listening and adjusting based on he full range mains--there was no PROBLEM to fix in the mix--it was simply about setting some balances and pans--I can "mix" great recorded tracks pretty well in headphones. But, I can't record (track) AND mix....AND master...with inferior monitoring. Someone....somewhere has to have honesty--that used to be the mains in the control room during tracking...now, with people recording at home without experience and lousy small rooms and monitors that "sound good" playing some CD they like with inferior mics...and 44.1...I'm saying--there's more sonic "fixing" in the mix than what mixing used to be. Propenents of mixing o nthe NS10s ALSO had the mains to flip to if they needed the speculum perspective of something momentarily. That actually rarely meant you do mixes with ONLY NS10s. It meant those were the speakers for 90% of the mix....Aurotone and mains were always used for what they brought to the table. I brefily had a second set of little computer speakers hooked up to flip to--but they simply didn't add value. I've learned--make it sound the best you can on the 624s and it will sound the best it can on some other system. The downside is that for most playaback systems, I work too hard. I've long crossed teh line of "can't tell the difference" on my (relatively nice) stereo system....and on a computer speakers? Forget about it. I mix on the 624s-periodically engaging headphones for the "speculum plus halogen light" view. When you say "doubling the sample rate" I assume you mean going exclusively to 88.2?
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Post by jeromemason on Apr 2, 2014 12:21:59 GMT -6
PSI A17m's........ Those monitors are pretty freaky, the detail in them gives you no excuse other than being lazy for a mix to have something wrong in it. You can hear front to back and that's the thing for me, being able to hear actual depth.
A runner up is the acoustic absorption in the room. Without those two things none of the hardware or software even matters, I could guess at how things are sounding, but I'd rather actually know.
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Post by matt on Apr 2, 2014 12:27:43 GMT -6
It's hard to isolate just one thing, so here's two: 1. Cathedral Pipes Notre Dame 2. Beyer MC930 x2 Honorable mention goes to: 1. Burl B2 (A/D and D/A) 2. my new-to-me Martin HD-28 lol! thats 4! cant wait to watch this morph martin! nice matt Yeah, I have difficulty following rules sometimes, and counting too, heh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 12:39:49 GMT -6
signing a lease for my own apartment! I used to be tucked in the back room of a 2bdrm apartment that sat on top of a chinese restaurant, and their ventilation fan shook the whole building. Now i've got my own spot with my gear set up in the living room. Unfortunately the ceiling isn't insulated and the people above me are home all the time, have a dog and an aquarium that runs all the time, but this is a big upgrade for me regardless!
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Post by popmann on Apr 2, 2014 13:27:17 GMT -6
Then others are more with qualifiers....doubling the sample rate fixed the "weird" that was CREATED by switching to digital tracking/mixing all in one fell swoop...the Royer 121 does wonders for amp recordings that were utterly an completely not needed prior to digital tracking....so, those things are things that made a big difference--but only because something previously was functionally different. I was fine with a 421 to 456 for decades--never even thought to explore "better" cause it was "fine"....until 24bit PCM came home with me and it actually was NOT "fine"... When you say "doubling the sample rate" I assume you mean going exclusively to 88.2? Meaning EITHER 88.2 or 96khz. I have more experience with 96khz. I've recently been experimenting with 88.2 based on Larvy's whitepaper...and have been fine with it. Technically, doubling professional sample rate is 96. Everything south of a few years ago was 48 or 96. 44 and 88 as TRACKING rates are a relatively new thing of the all digital age...based on the theory that IME was a fail--which was "use 44.1 from the beginning and it will sound better than doing a SRC at the end for CD"--that has NOT been my experience at all. 96 does SRC better to 44 than 48 (IME)...and I've not done enough 88.2 to have a statistically relevant sample pool to say if it doesn't better or worse than 96 if it's NOT delivered at full rez.
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Post by henge on Apr 2, 2014 14:49:27 GMT -6
My Ken smith CR5G. The ONLY bass I've used for the past 18 or 19 years. Never had a problem getting the right sound within 2 or 3 minutes and is totally in tune all the way up the neck. I have no idea how KS does that! Plays like butter. It has been with me through a ton of major life's bullshit and successes.
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Post by Koln on Apr 2, 2014 14:51:22 GMT -6
- Ribbons on E GTR cabinets : for the same reasons popman said. 57s to tape was fine to me until digital came in the place. - Tape delays (RE301 and EP4) : no plugs can come close....really. - Digital audio : portability, recalls - Pete Cornish line drivers : high freqs and punch back in guitar rig
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 15:24:51 GMT -6
Gonna have to say the Kemper Profiling Amp. At the time I only had two amps and this opened up a lot of doors for me to get different sounds.
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Post by popmann on Apr 2, 2014 15:43:41 GMT -6
Given the last responses, I want to qualify my answers with "recording gear". i didnt consider instruments. Source is ALWAYS king, IME.
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Post by scumbum on Apr 2, 2014 15:55:22 GMT -6
CAPI 528 missing Link .
To me it was the final little piece that pushed my recordings into sounding like they were recorded at a PRO studio vs Home Studio . I think because most PRO studios , well they used to , had big consoles . So the 528 gets you that big beefy console sound .
But I'm talking old school studio sound , not today's modern studio sound . To me today's sound is Pro Tools HD with a million layers of plugins . A sound I'm not after .
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Post by wiz on Apr 2, 2014 16:01:47 GMT -6
This is a great question.
VU meters
cheers
Wiz
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Post by drumrec on Apr 2, 2014 17:06:04 GMT -6
My two Ludwig Black Beauty Snare. Pure love every time I play on them ❤️
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 2, 2014 19:04:54 GMT -6
Given the last responses, I want to qualify my answers with "recording gear". i didnt consider instruments. Source is ALWAYS king, IME. I actually meant it as recording gear...but no big whoop...
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Post by popmann on Apr 2, 2014 20:52:09 GMT -6
I figured. I mean sources simply point out what instrument you care about most (and likely play)...what plays the biggest role in your arrangements.
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