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Post by klauth on Jul 7, 2020 14:51:47 GMT -6
I've been off and on them for years and have noticed the diminishing thread counts and even good subject matter. Seems like the large format consoles are almost hated at this point....let alone, real gear.
Also, it seems like there is more, "Engineering" and more people making music, than there are those buying it.
All this seems to be somewhat of an engineering in it's own right....right?
How much longer will chat rooms like this one, gearslutz and home recording be alive?
Perhaps a video based version will be the next thing?
......Your thoughts and perspectives?
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Post by sirthought on Jul 7, 2020 15:01:56 GMT -6
I'd say 18 more years. Mark it down!
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 7, 2020 15:52:48 GMT -6
Wouldn't call this a chat room, it's a forum. But whatever.
I think forums will be around for a looonnngg time. Keyboard warriors love them for one. And further more, they are still a HUGE part of online info(and missinformation too ha). There is a forum for everything. And I don't see that going away.
Now, chat rooms if anything are getting more popular(Live chatting). Discord is really expanding into not just games but other area's for communication. You can start a discord server for anything and let people join and have it setup very nicely like a forum but it's live chatting. There's even voice and video chat room on them. That is definitely taking off as well.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 7, 2020 17:10:32 GMT -6
Not sure why you’d come on here and say something like that...but just to let you know, the numbers here are dramatically up.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 7, 2020 17:50:26 GMT -6
Not sure why you’d come on here and say something like that...but just to let you know, the numbers here are dramatically up. Because the quality is so much higher here. Thanks, John! |
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Post by christopher on Jul 7, 2020 17:52:15 GMT -6
If you want to talk consoles, let’s talk  I’ve been experimenting some during this stay home period, and finding exciting new ways to use my analog console. I knew most of the “tricks” before, but it’s becoming a lot more fun to invent my own style |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 7, 2020 18:20:12 GMT -6
I do think the at-home bubble has burst a bit with the downturn of the music biz.
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Post by klauth on Jul 7, 2020 18:25:56 GMT -6
I think it's relevant of the times. With more and more facets of recording, "progressing" under the guise of, "better. Such as, blu-tooth signal insted of cables. Touch screens instead of consoles etc.
What will be, "better" than chat rooms and forums such as this site? I would assume, some type of interactive video chat room that you could show your studio techniques with feedback and participation in real time. Verses...just reading threads. Seems like a natural progression of technology.
I would think some version of this site would take off flying with interactive video, with real physical gear, rather than watching videos of someone watching a screen demonstrating the latest plug in.or reading about watching.
Anyways.... thought it might be worth discussing, on this platform. As it stands now.
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Post by ericn on Jul 7, 2020 19:08:09 GMT -6
I do think the at-home bubble has burst a bit with the downturn of the music biz. You would think so wouldn’t you? Of course think of all the unemployed / under employed waiters and baristas who suddenly have all that time on their hands to record that album😎 |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 7, 2020 19:14:02 GMT -6
I think it's relevant of the times. With more and more facets of recording, "progressing" under the guise of, "better. Such as, blu-tooth signal insted of cables. Touch screens instead of consoles etc. What will be, "better" than chat rooms and forums such as this site? I would assume, some type of interactive video chat room that you could show your studio techniques with feedback and participation in real time. Verses...just reading threads. Seems like a natural progression of technology. I would think some version of this site would take off flying with interactive video, with real physical gear, rather than watching videos of someone watching a screen demonstrating the latest plug in.or reading about watching. Anyways.... thought it might be worth discussing, on this platform. As it stands now. That'll never happen. Not any time soon. The world doesn't have the bandwidth going to the normal consumer yet everywhere for that to be a thing. So until you can stream uncompressed wav files and video seamlessly, that's but a pipe dream. Isn't a streaming or online service for video chat/interaction that doesn't compress the hell out of shit. |
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Post by m03 on Jul 7, 2020 19:17:18 GMT -6
I would assume, some type of interactive video chat room that you could show your studio techniques with feedback and participation in real time. Verses...just reading threads. That exists with platforms like the live streams on Twitch and Youtube, that integrate live performances with interactive text chat with participants. This has existed in some form on the internet since the mid-1990s (I think Pseudo.com and some of the early AOL streams had examples of this).
The issues with archiving, indexing, translating, and searching pre-recorded streams, the inherent linearity of the medium, and the complexity of interacting in a multi-stream environment (Zoom etc) which limits the maximum participants that are realistically feasible, means that those are technologies are just supplemental to text-based discussion.
Just reading threads isn't going anywhere. At least, not for a few hundred years. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 7, 2020 21:27:51 GMT -6
I do think the at-home bubble has burst a bit with the downturn of the music biz. You would think so wouldn’t you? Of course think of all the unemployed / under employed waiters and baristas who suddenly have all that time on their hands to record that album😎 Some of them might have something to say, or a new way of saying it that we haven’t seen. I’m all for hearing what’s out there! From what I can see, any “legitimate” form of the music biz isn’t really going to be around in 20 years (or 10?). I’m excited for the future and to (hopefully) be a part of it. Lord knows grasping at the old model won’t get any of us anywhere. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 7, 2020 21:44:46 GMT -6
You would think so wouldn’t you? Of course think of all the unemployed / under employed waiters and baristas who suddenly have all that time on their hands to record that album😎 Some of them might have something to say, or a new way of saying it that we haven’t seen. I’m all for hearing what’s out there! From what I can see, any “legitimate” form of the music biz isn’t really going to be around in 20 years (or 10?). I’m excited for the future and to (hopefully) be a part of it. Lord knows grasping at the old model won’t get any of us anywhere. Wait we still hav a music buisness? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 22:02:56 GMT -6
With the pandemic I’m online way more than I should be.
Yeah Jeremy, studios that can record a full 5 piece rock type band are rapidly becoming rare. Most of them aren’t used to tracking full kits or more than one musician at a time. Covid will kill a lot of them off. A lot of the consoles aren’t maintained and ime the house engineers who have never worked with acoustic drums and real amps with artists who want to get the sound on the way in do not know what to do. Nevertheless, the raw multitracks they produce are still infinitely better sounding than the home studio drum samples and amp sims with di guitars and vocals done through a Focusrite or Behringer. They’re way easier to fix and make into a record the band is happy with. These businesses will be missed.
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Post by craigmorris74 on Jul 8, 2020 8:54:38 GMT -6
You would think so wouldn’t you? Of course think of all the unemployed / under employed waiters and baristas who suddenly have all that time on their hands to record that album😎 Some of them might have something to say, or a new way of saying it that we haven’t seen. I’m all for hearing what’s out there! From what I can see, any “legitimate” form of the music biz isn’t really going to be around in 20 years (or 10?). I’m excited for the future and to (hopefully) be a part of it. Lord knows grasping at the old model won’t get any of us anywhere. The under/unemployed/bored makes up a huge swath of the people who have made great American music in the past. A huge upheaval like what is taking place now might lead to some pretty fresh and interesting stuff. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2020 9:17:46 GMT -6
Some of them might have something to say, or a new way of saying it that we haven’t seen. I’m all for hearing what’s out there! From what I can see, any “legitimate” form of the music biz isn’t really going to be around in 20 years (or 10?). I’m excited for the future and to (hopefully) be a part of it. Lord knows grasping at the old model won’t get any of us anywhere. The under/unemployed/bored makes up a huge swath of the people who have made great American music in the past. A huge upheaval like what is taking place now might lead to some pretty fresh and interesting stuff. Yeah, I’m just sick of picking up my daily caffeine or a bottle of water somewhere while on my walk and hearing 2 out of 3 hipsters talking about “their studio” and recording their album the third is either talking about his movie or novel. The guys working at my usual haunts know not to mention what I do / did unless they are good friends. |
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Post by christopher on Jul 8, 2020 11:41:12 GMT -6
I don’t know why I didn’t think of this earlier.
Lately my son has been into Minecraft. There’s creative mode where there’s no agenda.. it’s just about walking around, looking for things, and making stuff. Another kid’s parent and I got them to be friends, so now they both talk and hangout in this virtual world. No headphones, they are on speakerphone and it’s sort of like being at school recess, they yell and scream and have a good time.
So yeah it crossed my mind that video game worlds could be the next thing where masses of people hang out.
My nephew tells me they‘ve already held concerts in Fortnite. Who knows if it will take off?
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2020 11:47:16 GMT -6
The things the forums give us are the ability to hang and chat on our own schedules and the ability to call up archived information. I’ll admit it I use the Purple Sites archives all the time, wont participate in any of the new discussions, but there is a wealth of knowledge to be found in the archives.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 8, 2020 15:02:59 GMT -6
I think it's relevant of the times. With more and more facets of recording, "progressing" under the guise of, "better. Such as, blu-tooth signal insted of cables. Touch screens instead of consoles etc. What will be, "better" than chat rooms and forums such as this site? I would assume, some type of interactive video chat room that you could show your studio techniques with feedback and participation in real time. Verses...just reading threads. Seems like a natural progression of technology. I would think some version of this site would take off flying with interactive video, with real physical gear, rather than watching videos of someone watching a screen demonstrating the latest plug in.or reading about watching. Anyways.... thought it might be worth discussing, on this platform. As it stands now. Generally speaking, I HATE video for the purpose of exchanging real information. It'sd OK for just playing around, if you like that sort of thing.
And I generally hate chat rooms as well, assuming that by "chat room" you mean things like Facebook, which is totally useless for real information, as there's no indexing and no way to find a particular bit of info, short of wasting hours scrolling through useless posts.
I like forums. As far as I can tell, that seems to be true of most people who go online for other than purely social reasons - and if I want to be social, most of the time I prefer in person conversation. Preferably at a bar or winery.
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Post by klauth on Jul 8, 2020 15:09:08 GMT -6
[quote and if I want to be social, most of the time I prefer in person conversation. Preferably at a bar or winery.
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We no longer have that freedom.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 8, 2020 15:11:37 GMT -6
With the pandemic I’m online way more than I should be. Yeah Jeremy, studios that can record a full 5 piece rock type band are rapidly becoming rare. Most of them aren’t used to tracking full kits or more than one musician at a time. Covid will kill a lot of them off. A lot of the consoles aren’t maintained and ime the house engineers who have never worked with acoustic drums and real amps with artists who want to get the sound on the way in do not know what to do. Nevertheless, the raw multitracks they produce are still infinitely better sounding than the home studio drum samples and amp sims with di guitars and vocals done through a Focusrite or Behringer. They’re way easier to fix and make into a record the band is happy with. These businesses will be missed. A "house engineer" who has never worked with acoustic drums or multiple musicians isn't an "engineer" at all.
The sad truth is that real audio engineering appears to be a dying art. We now have legions of amateurs playing with entry level gear and sims, but that's not engineering. I don't know what to call it, but engineering it ain't.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 8, 2020 15:13:56 GMT -6
[quote and if I want to be social, most of the time I prefer in person conversation. Preferably at a bar or winery. [/div][/quote] We no longer have that freedom. [/quote][/div]
This will pass, one way or the other.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 8, 2020 15:18:56 GMT -6
I don’t know why I didn’t think of this earlier. Lately my son has been into Minecraft. There’s creative mode where there’s no agenda.. it’s just about walking around, looking for things, and making stuff. Another kid’s parent and I got them to be friends, so now they both talk and hangout in this virtual world. No headphones, they are on speakerphone and it’s sort of like being at school recess, they yell and scream and have a good time. So yeah it crossed my mind that video game worlds could be the next thing where masses of people hang out. My nephew tells me they‘ve already held concerts in Fortnite. Who knows if it will take off? There's a whole gamer world. It's been around for a long, long time - about as long as personal computers. It has, of course, evolved with the technology, but it has always been there (at least as far as anyone born since 1970/75 is concerned.) |
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2020 15:37:20 GMT -6
[quote and if I want to be social, most of the time I prefer in person conversation. Preferably at a bar or winery. [/div][/quote] We no longer have that freedom. [/quote][/div]
This will pass, one way or the other.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 8, 2020 17:47:05 GMT -6
[/div][/quote] We no longer have that freedom. [/quote][/div]
This will pass, one way or the other.
[/quote] Or we to shall pass [/quote][/div]
That's what I meant by "one way or another"...
Why the hell is the forum screwing up on posting answers TO THIS ONE POST STRING, but not to anything else? Even in the same topic?
I noticed it doing the same thing once before, some days ago, but it usually doesn't. Very strange.....
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