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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 2, 2020 0:46:22 GMT -6
I use LA3As on guitars every time. Not really for compression though, just the tone. Probably only ever see 1-2dB compression at the loudest parts. But damn does it just sound better.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 2, 2020 0:58:27 GMT -6
I use LA3As on guitars every time. Not really for compression though, just the tone. Probably only ever see 1-2dB compression at the loudest parts. But damn does it just sound better. 2 db of GR on that meter is probably closer to 5... Not that that is a bad thing.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 2, 2020 1:05:41 GMT -6
I use LA3As on guitars every time. Not really for compression though, just the tone. Probably only ever see 1-2dB compression at the loudest parts. But damn does it just sound better. 2 db of GR on that meter is probably closer to 5... Not that that is a bad thing. haha probably true. I try to make it barely wiggle at the loud parts. Just the harmonics the amp stages adds is enough. Good stuff.
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Post by theshea on Jun 2, 2020 10:54:22 GMT -6
I've considered one of the GAP units specifically for clean and note that dirty electric guitar. i was lusting for the GAP comp-3a from time to time for tracking ... from what i heard online, even a GAP vs Universal Audio La3a comparison, sounded good. i have the waves la3a and use it for mixing, but i'd prefer tracking with one ...
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 2, 2020 12:05:59 GMT -6
I've considered one of the GAP units specifically for clean and note that dirty electric guitar. i was lusting for the GAP comp-3a from time to time for tracking ... from what i heard online, even a GAP vs Universal Audio La3a comparison, sounded good. i have the waves la3a and use it for mixing, but i'd prefer tracking with one ... I've also been interesting but haven't had any time with it but the Hairball Copper Mic pre amp(I think thats the model) is the gain stages of an LA3A in a mic pre. Bet it would be great for guitars and bass.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 2, 2020 12:10:01 GMT -6
I never use compression in my pedal board, but I love to track with my Buzz Audio DBC-20. It's great for nailing down loud peaks in a really musical way.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 2, 2020 14:11:02 GMT -6
I've considered one of the GAP units specifically for clean and note that dirty electric guitar. i was lusting for the GAP comp-3a from time to time for tracking ... from what i heard online, even a GAP vs Universal Audio La3a comparison, sounded good. i have the waves la3a and use it for mixing, but i'd prefer tracking with one ... Yeah, I have thought about one of the GAP models as well. Even the Jr (or whatever they call it) seems to get good reviews.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 4, 2020 12:03:50 GMT -6
Barely wiggling on a Langevin ELOP has always been good here, if needed.
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Post by stormymondays on Jun 4, 2020 16:44:16 GMT -6
GAP Comp-3A on electric guitars is almost always better than not I sometimes get lazy and don’t patch it, then decide to try it, and I’m glad I did. It works for acoustic guitars too!
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Post by Guitar on Jun 4, 2020 16:52:06 GMT -6
I have found that a lot of studio compressors are way better than a lot of guitar pedal compressors. So it sort of makes sense to apply it after or during tracking.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 5, 2020 11:12:27 GMT -6
I have found that a lot of studio compressors are way better than a lot of guitar pedal compressors. So it sort of makes sense to apply it after or during tracking. Yes, though a compressed sound into an amp is often the path to making an amp sound more like something outside of it's possible boundaries, can work better than after the amp. Lots of ways to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 11:23:27 GMT -6
I have found that a lot of studio compressors are way better than a lot of guitar pedal compressors. So it sort of makes sense to apply it after or during tracking. Yes, though a compressed sound into an amp is often the path to making an amp sound more like something outside of it's possible boundaries, can work better than after the amp. Lots of ways to go. Likely to alter a player's approach. I think at the very least, if you're planning on it being PART of the sound and not just a tool for controlling it in the mix, you should have something going on during tracking so the player can play "to" it.
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Post by donr on Jun 5, 2020 11:25:33 GMT -6
I've never compressed an amp going into a recording, although I have using Kemper or AxeFX. Working with amp sims and studio monitors is easier because you hear going in how your sound will fit in the mix.
Mix, just about always compress guitars. Waves RenAx is an easy go to, with only threshold and attack to adjust. I also compress a guitar buss, with software stereo 1176 or LA2a, in the Michael Brauer mold for further compliance in the mix.
For live/real amps, the Empress Compressor is the best I've heard. Studio quality and mix control. I use it live, for "Reaper" and a couple other spots in the set.
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Post by ragan on Jun 5, 2020 13:06:32 GMT -6
I use it live, for "Reaper" and a couple other spots in the set. Looks like you're not the only one. 2:33
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2020 13:41:54 GMT -6
I've never compressed an amp going into a recording, although I have using Kemper or AxeFX. Working with amp sims and studio monitors is easier because you hear going in how your sound will fit in the mix. Mix, just about always compress guitars. Waves RenAx is an easy go to, with only threshold and attack to adjust. I also compress a guitar buss, with software stereo 1176 or LA2a, in the Michael Brauer mold for further compliance in the mix. For live/real amps, the Empress Compressor is the best I've heard. Studio quality and mix control. I use it live, for "Reaper" and a couple other spots in the set. Have you ever tried any of the Origin compressor pedals, more specifically, the Cali76, Cali76 Stacked, or SlideRig? I've been reading more about those and may pick one up, but I'm curious to hear opinions from anyone here who may have used one.
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Post by donr on Jun 5, 2020 13:51:05 GMT -6
I've seen them advertised, but never heard one. Our bass player Danny Miranda might have had some experience with them. He's got an Empress in his pedalboard now, along with the Tech21 Geddy Lee pedal, a tuner and an Octave pedal. I do like the idea of an 1176 emu.
Edit: I forgot to give love to the Pigtronics Philosopher's Tone. It's not as hi-fi as the Empress, but it's got a great vibe and stupid sustain if you want it. I use it to thicken the somewhat mannerly tone of the Steinberger. I set it for some corn starch/cajun roux-like thickener, then blend it into the dry sound. I typically leave it on all the time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2020 20:49:14 GMT -6
Compression in a guitar players chain is about the relationship of the player to what they’re hearing and trying to achieve from a part and how their hands respond to pulling it from the instrument and chain as a whole, anything in mixing stage is an attempt to modify what was originally intended or intended though not achieved by the performance of the player in the first place. As to the question of during tracking...it becomes part of the players chain and may affect how they respond based on what’s heard in the headphones, unless you don’t let them hear it. I.e the Electric guitar player’s entire apparatus- guitar, pedals, amp etc...is the instrument as operated by their ability to perform and intention to achieve what they’re hearing in their mind. Totally get what you’re saying. Guess it really depends on what you’re playing and the results you’re looking for.
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Post by Ward on Jun 6, 2020 6:39:23 GMT -6
Compression in a guitar players chain is about the relationship of the player to what they’re hearing and trying to achieve from a part and how their hands respond to pulling it from the instrument and chain as a whole, anything in mixing stage is an attempt to modify what was originally intended or intended though not achieved by the performance of the player in the first place. As to the question of during tracking...it becomes part of the players chain and may affect how they respond based on what’s heard in the headphones, unless you don’t let them hear it. I.e the Electric guitar player’s entire apparatus- guitar, pedals, amp etc...is the instrument as operated by their ability to perform and intention to achieve what they’re hearing in their mind. Totally get what you’re saying. Guess it really depends on what you’re playing and the results you’re looking for. Huh. Had it wrong all these years. I've been using it to make up for shortcomings in my playing. Who knew?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2020 6:53:00 GMT -6
Well, it helps with that too
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