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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2020 20:32:18 GMT -6
Really talking about tracking. Never really been a proponent, but Tracking a tune today I’m finding I’m wanting to do it after the fact. Do you guys implement compression in your pedal board? Always use it?
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Post by wiz on May 28, 2020 20:50:21 GMT -6
Live I always have a compressor pedal first in chain.
Studio I don’t.
In fact I never use pedals on the studio. Just guitar and amp.
In yhe last couple of months it’s been helix lt...again no comp in tracking chain
Comp at mixdown. Which has been UA 175 and digging that
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Post by Quint on May 28, 2020 20:55:30 GMT -6
Really talking about tracking. Never really been a proponent, but Tracking a tune today I’m finding I’m wanting to do it after the fact. Do you guys implement compression in your pedal board? Always use it? Running electric guitars through a LA3A or clone equivalent is pretty great during tracking. I do it all the time. The GAP Comp-3A is pretty great as a clone. JLM LA-500 too. I think compression on the pedal board is more of a personal thing for a guitarist. So that's kind of a crap shoot. I don't use pedal compression when I play guitar myself, though I've been considering trying it here lately. One thing I DO is to use the Strymon Deco. That has become an "always on" pedal for me when recording myself. It makes everything sound better when run through it. It does compression in the sense that it does the whole "tape thing". It's a seriously nice pedal and might make you not worry about any other type of compression going in. And, of course, the Deco does other things like delay, chorus, etc. You should check it out.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2020 21:07:21 GMT -6
Once again, I really think the issue is more me disliking my playing than the execution.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 28, 2020 21:40:36 GMT -6
Once again, I really think the issue is more me disliking my playing than the execution. In that case, a compressor pedal may help. Sometimes I use one, sometimes I don’t. When I do use one, I’ve pretty much settled on a Wampler these days. If set right, I find it can make things (whether a quiet amp or a good modeler) feel a little more like it’s got some “tube sag” going on. A little more like I’m really turning my real Vox up loud. Not perfect, but closer. And a good compressor pedal offers a nice clean boost if I want to smash the front end of the Iridium. Other times, I like a full dynamic range better. Just depends. A good comp pedal can really help with those hot Nashville Telecaster licks. Which I can’t play, so a moot point for me.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2020 21:49:50 GMT -6
Once again, I really think the issue is more me disliking my playing than the execution. In that case, a compressor pedal may help. Sometimes I use one, sometimes I don’t. When I do use one, I’ve pretty much settled on a Wampler these days. If set right, I find it can make things (whether a quiet amp or a good modeler) feel a little more like it’s got some “tube sag” going on. A little more like I’m really turning my real Vox up loud. Not perfect, but closer. And a good compressor pedal offers a nice clean boost if I want to smash the front end of the Iridium. Other times, I like a full dynamic range better. Just depends. A good comp pedal can really help with those hot Nashville Telecaster licks. Which I can’t play, so a moot point for me. That’s my problem. I’m comparing myself to pro session guys. They always have big pedal boards, but I’m sure it’s more about lability and know how than whether to add a compressor. Just sitting here thinking about it, it’s also confidence in what you’re playing - I’m probably hearing myself being timid/hesitant and instead of a comp, I probably just need to replay things.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 28, 2020 21:54:17 GMT -6
In that case, a compressor pedal may help. Sometimes I use one, sometimes I don’t. When I do use one, I’ve pretty much settled on a Wampler these days. If set right, I find it can make things (whether a quiet amp or a good modeler) feel a little more like it’s got some “tube sag” going on. A little more like I’m really turning my real Vox up loud. Not perfect, but closer. And a good compressor pedal offers a nice clean boost if I want to smash the front end of the Iridium. Other times, I like a full dynamic range better. Just depends. A good comp pedal can really help with those hot Nashville Telecaster licks. Which I can’t play, so a moot point for me. That’s my problem. I’m comparing myself to pro session guys. They always have big pedal boards, but I’m sure it’s more about lability and know how than whether to add a compressor. Just sitting here thinking about it, it’s also confidence in what you’re playing - I’m probably hearing myself being timid/hesitant and instead of a comp, I probably just need to replay things. Man, you have so many killer guitar players in your city, I would pretty much think I suck all the time. And compared to them, I would be right. I do think a good compressor pedal can cover a multitude of sins. Especially if one of the sins is timidity.
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Post by geoff738 on May 28, 2020 21:57:15 GMT -6
That’s it really. I’m not consistent with my right hand. I’m not that good. So I need some help. I don’t have a good pedal, so I do it after tracking, but if I had an La3a?
Did I mention I need help?
On so many levels.
But back to guitar would I play better if there was a bit of compression there would I play better or more confidently if the level was smoothed out a bit? Maybe.
I’ve sort of followed the interwebs wisdom not to compress electric guitars on the way in. Perhaps time to revisit?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by sirthought on May 29, 2020 1:20:07 GMT -6
If the guitar part is clean-ish-to-medium gain I'd feel fine using a compression pedal. I currently use the Xotic SP, but have also used the JHS Pulp n Peel. Really I don't think it matters too much which one you use, but I liked those for the blend function.
For my songs I do track the parts just how I'd play them live, so if that's with comp, the SP pedal is going into the tracking. I believe compression pedals add that final touch that makes the whole thing more pro sounding, and I actually prefer to get there with the pedal because I know exactly how much I like to dial in with that for the overall tone.
Of course, doing it with outboard or a plugin works, but why not use the gear ya got for the guitar signal?
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Post by MakeWar on May 29, 2020 8:00:11 GMT -6
Have you tried de Cali76 by Origin?? It´s a 1176 style guitar pedal compressor that can be run in parallel. I leave it Always on.
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Post by sean on May 29, 2020 8:20:07 GMT -6
Unless I can crank the amp, I use a compressor pedal when playing guitar in the studio. I've had good luck with the Barber Tone Press and Diamond Compressor. A little goes a long way.
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Post by Quint on May 29, 2020 10:04:34 GMT -6
Have you tried de Cali76 by Origin?? It´s a 1176 style guitar pedal compressor that can be run in parallel. I leave it Always on. That one is on my list to check out.
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Post by Guitar on May 29, 2020 10:34:04 GMT -6
I always make the amp compress by boosting into it, and attenuating it after the fact or using a master volume if it has one. Also will use overdrive pedals at low drive settings, think Tube Screamer type, to mainly compress the tone and boost the mids. Never really been a fan of "compressor pedals" on guitar.
In the mix, it's so subjective, that I would rather leave it as a mix decision. Since sometimes it works, and sometimes I might not want it there.
I guess if I owned a high end hardware compressor I would certainly think about printing it on the way in. Don't have any right now.
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Post by Ward on May 29, 2020 11:22:53 GMT -6
LA3a 18 and 30. just knocking a few db off the peaks and riding like a nice fader would. It works. Every time.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2020 16:46:41 GMT -6
The comps in the AxeFX are pretty freaking killer
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Post by the other mark williams on May 29, 2020 20:45:02 GMT -6
The comps in the AxeFX are pretty freaking killer then there you go! Bada bing!
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Post by kcatthedog on May 30, 2020 4:31:03 GMT -6
I have a tube amp and board compressor, but I only use it a little and think I prefer either my warm or hairball 76, like Ward above, for tracking just taking off a few dB.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 30, 2020 9:00:32 GMT -6
My buddy Jon Bendis has played with superstars, and he uses a compressor pedal live and for tracking. I totally hated the sound, but then he bought a new compression pedal and it worked beautifully. I'll ask which one it is next time we meet.
My main amp broke when tracking a lead guitar part, so I brought out my $50 POS Fender practice amp so I didn't lose the session. Jon used the earlier (not as good) compressor on all the electric parts of this track, see if you can hear it working.
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Post by Quint on May 30, 2020 9:14:00 GMT -6
Have you tried de Cali76 by Origin?? It´s a 1176 style guitar pedal compressor that can be run in parallel. I leave it Always on. I've been looking at Origin's new Stacked pedal. It seems really interesting. Kind of the best of both worlds between the Cali76 and the Sliderig.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 9:30:23 GMT -6
I only really lean on it for solos or other overdub type stuff. Most of the time, if I'm using it on rhythm tracks in the mix, I end up taking it off after a while. Gets fatiguing.
Although, since building the CAPI FC526, I've been experimenting with that specifically on guitar and it's proving to be a nice solution. You really can't hear it working until you're burying the meter.
A lot of the guitar tones I record are fully destroyed before they even reach the microphone though, so its pretty pointless most of the time.
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Post by spock on May 30, 2020 10:34:35 GMT -6
Compression in a guitar players chain is about the relationship of the player to what they’re hearing and trying to achieve from a part and how their hands respond to pulling it from the instrument and chain as a whole, anything in mixing stage is an attempt to modify what was originally intended or intended though not achieved by the performance of the player in the first place. As to the question of during tracking...it becomes part of the players chain and may affect how they respond based on what’s heard in the headphones, unless you don’t let them hear it. I.e the Electric guitar player’s entire apparatus- guitar, pedals, amp etc...is the instrument as operated by their ability to perform and intention to achieve what they’re hearing in their mind.
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Post by theshea on May 30, 2020 10:52:57 GMT -6
i never use comp pedals but from clean to crunchy guitars i'll use my stam adg 76 with the pepper setting aiming at 1-3db GR. it almost always sounds better. and in the mix i usually use a la3a plugin for some further 1-3db GR. the tracking comp gets a nice guitar attack sound and than the la3a pushes the guitar a bit forward. works for me. if a guitarist has a comp pedal and thats part of his sound i would record it with the pedal and than without to hear whats better. ut it never happened til now. never had a guitarist with a comp pedal in my studio ...
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Post by Guitar on May 30, 2020 11:34:30 GMT -6
Compression in a guitar players chain is about the relationship of the player to what they’re hearing and trying to achieve from a part and how their hands respond to pulling it from the instrument and chain as a whole, anything in mixing stage is an attempt to modify what was originally intended or intended though not achieved by the performance of the player in the first place. As to the question of during tracking...it becomes part of the players chain and may affect how they respond based on what’s heard in the headphones, unless you don’t let them hear it. I.e the Electric guitar player’s entire apparatus- guitar, pedals, amp etc...is the instrument as operated by their ability to perform and intention to achieve what they’re hearing in their mind. You could say the same thing about a singer. But we do all kinds of things to vocals in the mix, including compression. Sometimes it sounds better.
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Post by Ward on May 31, 2020 6:43:21 GMT -6
Varying degrees of compression help absolutely everything in a recording. We come from a legacy of tape - which naturally compresses. . . you've been listening to it your whole life, whether you realize it or not.
And the cleanest electric guitars through tube amps and/or speakers also have a bit of compression in them.
So don't sweat it. You know what it's for, and why we use it. You don't have to pin the needles but the subtle gains from a bringing the level to a more 'level' point are worth having.
JMHO YMMV TETO
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Post by drumsound on May 31, 2020 14:53:38 GMT -6
If a guitar player has a compression pedal and the sound is good, off we go. If they don't and I feel like the dynamics need some control, I patch one in. I've used LA3A on guitars a few times, and there is just something to that combination of clean guitar and LA3A that is just great. I've considered one of the GAP units specifically for clean and note that dirty electric guitar.
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