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Post by lpedrum on May 12, 2020 14:59:26 GMT -6
Please put this thread in the category of "Things I should know, or know better than to ask."
Is there a simple, inexpensive way to use outboard compressors etc. as "guitar pedals" into an amp for recording? Or is that simply not advisable even if doable in some way? The main reason I ask is that I have the Radial Tank Driver and a number of old reverb tanks. I use them for mixing all the time, but would love to be able to use them on the front end into an amp and not just as an insert in the DAW. And yes, there are gizmos that power spring tanks, but honestly as gear goes it's a weird rabbit hole of a pursuit for some reason. Either they're very pricey or discontinued etc.
Am I stupid for asking this? I evolved later in life to engineering, so there tends be technical gaps in my knowledge of some things.
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Post by jamiesego on May 12, 2020 15:07:40 GMT -6
I use a DIYRE L2A for that. It's easy to put together. Radial has a couple different reamp boxes also.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 12, 2020 15:10:27 GMT -6
Sure
Take your guitar output, go into a DI. Out of the Di into a mic pre. Now you’re at line level.
You can go into any studio compressor or anything else you deem creative. When you’re done patching into studio gear, plug into a reamp box and then into your amp.
I’ve done this with tube compressors before and got the idea from some early studio pictures of Ry Cooder with racks of La-2a’s and Compex compressors on stage next to him. Lots of fun, just can take a bit of time to get rid of some ground hums depending on how you have things plugged up.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 18:19:15 GMT -6
I've been wanting to do this forever with my Hamptone preamp. If you Daisy chain the channels it's the sickest fuzz tone. Happy to confirm it's this easy.
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Post by johneppstein on May 12, 2020 20:54:55 GMT -6
Please put this thread in the category of "Things I should know, or know better than to ask." Is there a simple, inexpensive way to use outboard compressors etc. as "guitar pedals" into an amp for recording? Or is that simply not advisable even if doable in some way? The main reason I ask is that I have the Radial Tank Driver and a number of old reverb tanks. I use them for mixing all the time, but would love to be able to use them on the front end into an amp and not just as an insert in the DAW. And yes, there are gizmos that power spring tanks, but honestly as gear goes it's a weird rabbit hole of a pursuit for some reason. Either they're very pricey or discontinued etc. Am I stupid for asking this? I evolved later in life to engineering, so there tends be technical gaps in my knowledge of some things. Something to be aware of is that reverb in front of the amp is nothing like reverb IN the amp between the preamp and power amp stages, especially if you're pushing the amp at all. Distorting reverb generally creates mud. Reverbing distortion creates a reverberated distorted signal.
Other than that there's just the obvious impedance and level matching issues.
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Post by lpedrum on May 13, 2020 10:51:18 GMT -6
Sure Take your guitar output, go into a DI. Out of the Di into a mic pre. Now you’re at line level. You can go into any studio compressor or anything else you deem creative. When you’re done patching into studio gear, plug into a reamp box and then into your amp. I’ve done this with tube compressors before and got the idea from some early studio pictures of Ry Cooder with racks of La-2a’s and Compex compressors on stage next to him. Lots of fun, just can take a bit of time to get rid of some ground hums depending on how you have things plugged up. Thanks so much. I’m definitely trying this. |
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Post by lpedrum on May 13, 2020 11:05:46 GMT -6
[/quote] Something to be aware of is that reverb in front of the amp is nothing like reverb IN the amp between the preamp and power amp stages, especially if you're pushing the amp at all. Distorting reverb generally creates mud. Reverbing distortion creates a reverberated distorted signal.
Other than that there's just the obvious impedance and level matching issues.
[/quote] Good to know John—I’ll listen carefully for that. But what you’re saying would apply to any reverb pedal a guitarist might have on his board, correct? Are you familiar with the shoegazer technique of putting a reverb pedal before a distortion pedal? There’s a whole genre built on that trick. One thing that’s great about the Radial Tank Driver is that you have control over the gain and tone. So if this will be if any use to me it’ll probably require finding where the sweet spots are and what tanks handle it best. And of course I must try a 12 string through an outboard comp—worked for the Byrds! |
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Post by johneppstein on May 13, 2020 18:53:44 GMT -6
Something to be aware of is that reverb in front of the amp is nothing like reverb IN the amp between the preamp and power amp stages, especially if you're pushing the amp at all. Distorting reverb generally creates mud. Reverbing distortion creates a reverberated distorted signal.
Other than that there's just the obvious impedance and level matching issues.
[/quote] Good to know John—I’ll listen carefully for that. But what you’re saying would apply to any reverb pedal a guitarist might have on his board, correct? Are you familiar with the shoegazer technique of putting a reverb pedal before a distortion pedal? There’s a whole genre built on that trick. One thing that’s great about the Radial Tank Driver is that you have control over the gain and tone. So if this will be if any use to me it’ll probably require finding where the sweet spots are and what tanks handle it best. And of course I must try a 12 string through an outboard comp—worked for the Byrds! [/quote][/div]
Yes, it applies to reverb pedals too - that's why a lot of guy use the "4 wire" technique for their FX - most stuff up front, but time delay based FX run in the loop between the preamp stage and the power amp.
Dunno about "shoegaze", never really got into that.
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Post by notneeson on May 13, 2020 19:04:47 GMT -6
I don’t much care for reverb in front of an amp, but I like rules about guitar tone even less. #blueshammer
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Post by the other mark williams on May 13, 2020 19:13:48 GMT -6
Yeah, it just kind of depends on the whole chain. Right here next to me I've got two different delays running in front of my Iridium (amp sim) and one delay (and a reverb pedal) running after. They all sound great, but it is a little different putting them in one place vs. another.
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