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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 20, 2020 7:32:55 GMT -6
Running my 2012 mbp and it is getting sluggish so reading all this with great interest, but if I amortize cost over lifetime of use the 2020 i7 8 core iMac while more money is also appealing? I hear Ragan just solved the US debt problem running new algorithms on his new iMac ?
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Post by svart on Oct 20, 2020 8:26:38 GMT -6
So the Arm processors are responsible for the video editing power now? They dont utilize Gpu's? In the mini, it’s the CPU that handles GPU processing. The CPU has a GPU core as well.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 20, 2020 9:10:30 GMT -6
Running my 2012 mbp and it is getting sluggish so reading all this with great interest, but if I amortize cost over lifetime of use the 2020 i7 8 core iMac while more money is also appealing? I hear Ragan just solved the US debt problem running new algorithms on his new iMac ? But isn't the "lifetime of the iMac" the missing variable here? Will that life span be shortened by any amount, either from Apple or other software developers?
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Post by ericn on Oct 20, 2020 9:41:24 GMT -6
Running my 2012 mbp and it is getting sluggish so reading all this with great interest, but if I amortize cost over lifetime of use the 2020 i7 8 core iMac while more money is also appealing? I hear Ragan just solved the US debt problem running new algorithms on his new iMac ? But isn't the "lifetime of the iMac" the missing variable here? Will that life span be shortened by any amount, either from Apple or other software developers?
This is the 10 million dollar question for all intel macs. Apple migration is always a lesson in who one is beholden to.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 20, 2020 11:34:50 GMT -6
Well apple is still releasing intel based machines and has sold a Shitload to peeps to date. I don’t see them stopping Intel support for what 5-10 years?
If you are running a computer 5 years plus in a way you have exceeded its lifespan, at least in terms of development ?
At 8 years plus I don’t think my mbp owes me anything and I would buy a new intel Mac now without much hesitation other than cost outlay?
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Post by ericn on Oct 20, 2020 12:03:23 GMT -6
Well apple is still releasing intel based machines and has sold a Shitload to peeps to date. I don’t see them stopping Intel support for what 5-10 years? If you are running a computer 5 years plus in a way you have exceeded its lifespan, at least in terms of development ? At 8 years plus I don’t think my mbp owes me anything and I would buy a new intel Mac now without much hesitation other than cost outlay? The problem isn’t just Apple, if your a DAW, plug-in, or hardware developer your Apple support now means twice the work for the same $$. How long are you going to do it?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 20, 2020 12:27:33 GMT -6
Ya but I run logic for a reason !
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 20, 2020 12:50:31 GMT -6
Ya but I run logic for a reason ! Right, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. You've got third party plugs, drivers for your interface, etc.
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Post by svart on Oct 20, 2020 12:57:09 GMT -6
You have to remember that all these apps and programs run at a much higher level than the kernel stuff that will need to change for the ARM processors. It might be a situation where almost nothing that a normal developer does will need to change at all.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 20, 2020 13:34:56 GMT -6
True but another reason for going with major plugs: fab filter, UA etc., .
Anyway, a bit of a theoretical risk as no plug shop , OS writers or daw creators can really afford to not keep plugs: OS writer drivers reasonably up to date.
Not diving into Luna right now , but a bit of an ace in pocket for UA/Apollo/ UA plugs going forward, an integrated universe that will always be reasonable aligned with Apple releases.
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 20, 2020 19:44:37 GMT -6
You have to remember that all these apps and programs run at a much higher level than the kernel stuff that will need to change for the ARM processors. It might be a situation where almost nothing that a normal developer does will need to change at all. This is right on. I've seen reports that for some developers, it's literally been as simple as a couple lines of code. For others, it's a major rewrite. Depends on how the app (or plugin, etc.) is coded.
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 20, 2020 20:51:09 GMT -6
I may start to consider PC here as an Ableton user. Apple shows no signs of slowing down in their quest to dominate every market imaginable: credit cards, now computer processors. They look like theyre gearing up to basically throw every third party company to the wind in the future once they have their own version of everything and try to offer their all in one overpriced solution for life, and the more you get in the harder it is to get out. Ugh.
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Post by sirthought on Oct 20, 2020 22:05:22 GMT -6
I have zero concerns of buying an Intel Mac right now. Yet concern would exist for whether I'd be able to do pro audio/video on an ARM Mac for the first year or two. Maybe developers won't have many hoops to jump through, but the software out in the world now works. Some new software that works with the ARM chip is just talk at this point.
And I doubt the support for the Intel-based software would die out too soon, because there are still tens of thousands of Intel Macs in the world. It's going to remain a large market for some time. They'd rather sell you their latest software than try to force you to buy an expensive new computer just to run their software.
I guess I'm still remembering the days of being very happy with OS 9 and all my cool software that worked very well...then came OS X and everything took quite a while to get up to speed to run as reliably. OS X wasn't really a great thing for my work flow for a long time.
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 20, 2020 22:52:15 GMT -6
I have zero concerns of buying an Intel Mac right now. Yet concern would exist for whether I'd be able to do pro audio/video on an ARM Mac for the first year or two. Maybe developers won't have many hoops to jump through, but the software out in the world now works. Some new software that works with the ARM chip is just talk at this point. And I doubt the support for the Intel-based software would die out too soon, because there are still tens of thousands of Intel Macs in the world. It's going to remain a large market for some time. They'd rather sell you their latest software than try to force you to buy an expensive new computer just to run their software. I guess I'm still remembering the days of being very happy with OS 9 and all my cool software that worked very well...then came OS X and everything took quite a while to get up to speed to run as reliably. OS X wasn't really a great thing for my work flow for a long time. Beautifully said.
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 20, 2020 23:10:50 GMT -6
I have zero concerns of buying an Intel Mac right now. Yet concern would exist for whether I'd be able to do pro audio/video on an ARM Mac for the first year or two. Maybe developers won't have many hoops to jump through, but the software out in the world now works. Some new software that works with the ARM chip is just talk at this point. And I doubt the support for the Intel-based software would die out too soon, because there are still tens of thousands of Intel Macs in the world. It's going to remain a large market for some time. They'd rather sell you their latest software than try to force you to buy an expensive new computer just to run their software. I guess I'm still remembering the days of being very happy with OS 9 and all my cool software that worked very well...then came OS X and everything took quite a while to get up to speed to run as reliably. OS X wasn't really a great thing for my work flow for a long time. Yes, one of the last and latest intel Macs may be the the move. Hoping for a 10th gen Mini or something similar. Adopting ARM first gen as a third party DAW user is starting to seem like a recipe for disaster. Just hoping for some decent specs on an upcoming more mobile 10th gen Mac.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 21, 2020 20:46:34 GMT -6
Not off to a good start with the mini. Installed a time machine backup in hopes of getting up and running quickly, but ended up having to update a bunch of software in order to run on Catalina. Getting CPU spikes in PT that I think is related to some plugs needing updated. Can’t run a mix session at 128 buffer.
I’m either going to have to start over and do a clean install or try and roll the OS back from Catalina. I’m just testing, so I really don’t wanna clean install. Takes forever. But, I wanna test this iMac out as well, but I don’t think I can roll the OS back on that.
But, just from a glance at the system usage window in PT compared to my 2012, I’m getting 20% better on the new mini compared to the old. I was expecting better, but maybe I don’t have things optimized yet. I have heard the fan kick on a couple times, but again, software is out of whack.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2020 21:16:11 GMT -6
Sorry to hear it’s not going well, plug-ins are the biggest bitch of any migration. Good luck, my only advice; Whiskey, and not the new forum!
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 21, 2020 23:24:13 GMT -6
Not off to a good start with the mini. Installed a time machine backup in hopes of getting up and running quickly, but ended up having to update a bunch of software in order to run on Catalina. Getting CPU spikes in PT that I think is related to some plugs needing updated. Can’t run a mix session at 128 buffer. I’m either going to have to start over and do a clean install or try and roll the OS back from Catalina. I’m just testing, so I really don’t wanna clean install. Takes forever. But, I wanna test this iMac out as well, but I don’t think I can roll the OS back on that. But, just from a glance at the system usage window in PT compared to my 2012, I’m getting 20% better on the new mini compared to the old. I was expecting better, but maybe I don’t have things optimized yet. I have heard the fan kick on a couple times, but again, software is out of whack. As much as it totally sucks, I think you have to go with a completely clean install, Adam. It's the only way to judge the machine on its own merits and not on whatever may have inadvertently creeped into your 2012 machine's time machine backup.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 22, 2020 5:12:57 GMT -6
Not off to a good start with the mini. Installed a time machine backup in hopes of getting up and running quickly, but ended up having to update a bunch of software in order to run on Catalina. Getting CPU spikes in PT that I think is related to some plugs needing updated. Can’t run a mix session at 128 buffer. I’m either going to have to start over and do a clean install or try and roll the OS back from Catalina. I’m just testing, so I really don’t wanna clean install. Takes forever. But, I wanna test this iMac out as well, but I don’t think I can roll the OS back on that. But, just from a glance at the system usage window in PT compared to my 2012, I’m getting 20% better on the new mini compared to the old. I was expecting better, but maybe I don’t have things optimized yet. I have heard the fan kick on a couple times, but again, software is out of whack. As much as it totally sucks, I think you have to go with a completely clean install, Adam. It's the only way to judge the machine on its own merits and not on whatever may have inadvertently creeped into your 2012 machine's time machine backup. Agreed. And who knows? Maybe a clean install on my 2012 would go a long way to keep that fan down.
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2020 6:56:44 GMT -6
As much as it totally sucks, I think you have to go with a completely clean install, Adam. It's the only way to judge the machine on its own merits and not on whatever may have inadvertently creeped into your 2012 machine's time machine backup. Agreed. And who knows? Maybe a clean install on my 2012 would go a long way to keep that fan down. A clean install is always the way to go, as to how much it will help the 2012? Who knows it shouldn’t be that big of deal but you never know what bottlenecks and CPU efficiencies will be addressed.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 22, 2020 12:32:49 GMT -6
This is such a time suck. How in the hell do I have so many plugins? Good lord. I need a good HW/SW purge. This is ridiculous.
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2020 17:16:56 GMT -6
This is such a time suck. How in the hell do I have so many plugins? Good lord. I need a good HW/SW purge. This is ridiculous. This why I used to make the big bucks.
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Post by ragan on Oct 22, 2020 18:03:48 GMT -6
It took me the better part of a week to get my new iMac all up and running. Sooo nice to purge things though and only install the stuff that's earned a place in your workflow.
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Post by ragan on Oct 22, 2020 18:04:19 GMT -6
Also, I have really crappy DSL so most of that time was waiting for large downloads while I did homework. Not like it took days of active install/setup.
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Post by Ward on Oct 22, 2020 18:41:32 GMT -6
This is such a time suck. How in the hell do I have so many plugins? Good lord. I need a good HW/SW purge. This is ridiculous. I'm always afraid of letting go of things... good luck!
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