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Post by Quint on May 5, 2020 16:52:33 GMT -6
Anybody here used the CL 560 yet? The price ($349) is hard to argue with and the CL 7602, on which the 560 is supposed to be based, gets pretty great reviews.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 5, 2020 17:26:34 GMT -6
Not yet but I've been interested in those for awhile now. Don't have any room left in my 500 series rack though.
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Post by jamiesego on May 5, 2020 18:51:09 GMT -6
We used to have a 7602 in the studio. I always liked the EQ.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 8:42:43 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2020 8:53:51 GMT -6
Yeah, I do not like those knobs at all. It looks like a cheap trinket or set of beads from Mardi Gras. But sound is king. I'd get over it if they are worth owning. |
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2020 10:54:38 GMT -6
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Post by matt@IAA on May 6, 2020 10:56:36 GMT -6
How on earth can you make a 500 series with an inductor and sell it for $160?
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2020 10:59:43 GMT -6
How on earth can you make a 500 series with an inductor and sell it for $160? $159.99.  China. |
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Post by Vincent R. on May 6, 2020 11:00:49 GMT -6
How on earth can you make a 500 series with an inductor and sell it for $160? You make it in China with the cheapest parts possible. |
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2020 11:26:16 GMT -6
How on earth can you make a 500 series with an inductor and sell it for $160? Those things are so cheap that I'd be worried about mechanical tolerances when it comes time to actually insert one into a 500 rack. I'm sure the QA/QC is probably non-existent. |
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2020 11:42:11 GMT -6
Costs no more to make mechanical tolerances "right" than it does to make them "wrong". These guys (Alctron) are making TONS of the gear that is mid-level throughout the industry -- branded for what some folks here consider their favorite brands. To the best of my knowledge, they made the TnC Neve (and other) stuff, and it's decent. I've used my TnC 1073/84's for a decade now, they they deliver. I think Vincent likes his. These are just branded for the dude that sells them. A one man shop. You can always contact him, and buy direct from him as well and ask him about QC directly instead of buying thru Reverb. astoundsoundrecording.com. BTW, I'm not associated with them in any way, nor have I purchased their EQ's. I don't tend to fall in love with Neve based EQ's. SOMEone here should buy a pair and report back though..... . Maybe I'll do it someday. |
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2020 11:55:21 GMT -6
Costs no more to make mechanical tolerances "right" than it does to make them "wrong". These guys (Alctron) are making TONS of the gear that is mid-level throughout the industry -- branded for what some folks here consider their favorite brands. To the best of my knowledge, they made the TnC Neve (and other) stuff, and it's decent. I've used my TnC 1073/84's for a decade now, they they deliver. I think Vincent likes his. These are just branded for the dude that sells them. A one man shop. You can always contact him, and buy direct from him as well and ask him about QC directly instead of buying thru Reverb. astoundsoundrecording.com. BTW, I'm not associated with them in any way, nor have I purchased their EQ's. I don't tend to fall in love with Neve based EQ's. SOMEone here should buy a pair and report back though..... . Maybe I'll do it someday. You say that, but there have been several occasions where I have purchased cheap gear like this and had mechanical issues with things fitting. Either way, I suppose I'd be curious how these sound. |
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2020 11:59:18 GMT -6
Costs no more to make mechanical tolerances "right" than it does to make them "wrong". These guys (Alctron) are making TONS of the gear that is mid-level throughout the industry -- branded for what some folks here consider their favorite brands. To the best of my knowledge, they made the TnC Neve (and other) stuff, and it's decent. I've used my TnC 1073/84's for a decade now, they they deliver. I think Vincent likes his. These are just branded for the dude that sells them. A one man shop. You can always contact him, and buy direct from him as well and ask him about QC directly instead of buying thru Reverb. astoundsoundrecording.com. BTW, I'm not associated with them in any way, nor have I purchased their EQ's. I don't tend to fall in love with Neve based EQ's. SOMEone here should buy a pair and report back though..... . Maybe I'll do it someday. You say that, but there have been several occasions where I have purchased cheap gear like this and had mechanical issues with things fitting. Either way, I suppose I'd be curious how these sound. Of course. I've bought expensive gear and had the same. It's all in the design (primarily), and the execution (secondarily). |
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Post by thirdeye on May 6, 2020 12:01:40 GMT -6
The layout of that N-Sonic N73 looks pretty strange, with the HPF in between the HF and MF.
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -6
You say that, but there have been several occasions where I have purchased cheap gear like this and had mechanical issues with things fitting. Either way, I suppose I'd be curious how these sound. Of course. I've bought expensive gear and had the same. It's all in the design (primarily), and the execution (secondarily). QA/QC (e.g. execution) costs money. $150 for a 500 series inductor eq doesn't leave much fat on them bones, is all I'm saying... |
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Post by swafford on May 6, 2020 12:08:49 GMT -6
Costs no more to make mechanical tolerances "right" than it does to make them "wrong". These guys (Alctron) are making TONS of the gear that is mid-level throughout the industry -- branded for what some folks here consider their favorite brands. To the best of my knowledge, they made the TnC Neve (and other) stuff, and it's decent. I've used my TnC 1073/84's for a decade now, they they deliver. I think Vincent likes his. These are just branded for the dude that sells them. A one man shop. You can always contact him, and buy direct from him as well and ask him about QC directly instead of buying thru Reverb. astoundsoundrecording.com. BTW, I'm not associated with them in any way, nor have I purchased their EQ's. I don't tend to fall in love with Neve based EQ's. SOMEone here should buy a pair and report back though..... . Maybe I'll do it someday. You say that, but there have been several occasions where I have purchased cheap gear like this and had mechanical issues with things fitting. Either way, I suppose I'd be curious how these sound. I have an Avedis E12G that refuses go into the 3rd bay of an Avedis HR503. >shrugs< Goes in 1 or 2 easily. Sounds great though! Would love to hear how the 560 stacks up against the Avedis E27. |
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2020 12:17:02 GMT -6
Of course. I've bought expensive gear and had the same. It's all in the design (primarily), and the execution (secondarily). QA/QC (e.g. execution) costs money. $150 for a 500 series inductor eq doesn't leave much fat on them bones, is all I'm saying... When I say "execution", what I mean is that they make the PCB the right thickness, the dimensions are to API spec, the metalwork is cut the correct dimensions - and of course that the design was correct to begin with. These are things - as swafford mentioned above - that even the best manufacturers screw up sometimes. Again, it costs no more to have the correct design and execution as it does to have a bad design / execution. Now, for your QC situation, yes absolutely, 100%. Usually these types of companies just swap out a bad one for a good (hopefully) one. If it's still working after a month, you'll probably be good for years and years. Beats waiting 2-3 years on vaporware, doesn't it?? |
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2020 12:34:59 GMT -6
QA/QC (e.g. execution) costs money. $150 for a 500 series inductor eq doesn't leave much fat on them bones, is all I'm saying... When I say "execution", what I mean is that they make the PCB the right thickness, the dimensions are to API spec, the metalwork is cut the correct dimensions - and of course that the design was correct to begin with. These are things - as swafford mentioned above - that even the best manufacturers screw up sometimes. Again, it costs no more to have the correct design and execution as it does to have a bad design / execution. Now, for your QC situation, yes absolutely, 100%. Usually these types of companies just swap out a bad one for a good (hopefully) one. If it's still working after a month, you'll probably be good for years and years. Beats waiting 2-3 years on vaporware, doesn't it?? Actually, I don't want to deal with either situation, poor QA/QC, vaporware or otherwise. I believe I remember reading somewhere that Chameleon Labs is one of the companies that uses Alctron, so, reading between the lines, I think I sort of understand what you may be getting at. That being said, poor execution is still poor execution and poor QA/QC doesn't catch those things as well before a unit goes out the door. It's not a crazy notion to consider that cheaper products tend to come with less QA/QC. Behringer, anyone? And this eq you posted is as cheap as they come. I'm not trying to get in an argument over this, as I don't see why there needs to be one. It's a pretty basic concept and I feel like we're getting into semantics. Either way, maybe I'll buy one of those eqs to try out one of these days. Or perhaps the "Golden Grenade" (Silver Bullet clone) whenever Alctron copies that.  |
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Post by Vincent R. on May 6, 2020 13:00:09 GMT -6
Costs no more to make mechanical tolerances "right" than it does to make them "wrong". These guys (Alctron) are making TONS of the gear that is mid-level throughout the industry -- branded for what some folks here consider their favorite brands. To the best of my knowledge, they made the TnC Neve (and other) stuff, and it's decent. I've used my TnC 1073/84's for a decade now, they they deliver. I think Vincent likes his. These are just branded for the dude that sells them. A one man shop. You can always contact him, and buy direct from him as well and ask him about QC directly instead of buying thru Reverb. astoundsoundrecording.com. BTW, I'm not associated with them in any way, nor have I purchased their EQ's. I don't tend to fall in love with Neve based EQ's. SOMEone here should buy a pair and report back though..... . Maybe I'll do it someday. I wouldn't say I love it. I enjoy using the outboard EQ. The preamp fails to impress next to my Dan Alexander. My plan for my pair of ACMP84s is to upgrade them through Revive Audio with better parts and real Carnhills once I have the cash to do it. For now, I've been using the EQ on vocals for my Christmas Album. I just feel like I can dial in the sound I'm going for more easily with the outboard piece than with plugins. Not sure why, but that's how I feel. I felt that way when I had the SSL Alpha Channel in here too. When I did a Q Clone scan of the ACMP84 you could see that the line in path was pretty linear. However, the preamp definitely showed a slow rolloff of bottom end throughout the spectrum, which is why they sound bright. |
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Post by thirdeye on May 6, 2020 13:11:17 GMT -6
Anybody here used the CL 560 yet? The price ($349) is hard to argue with and the CL 7602, on which the 560 is supposed to be based, gets pretty great reviews. Looks like unfortunately the 560 does not have the 350Hz band that the 7602 has. Midrange on the 560 starts at 700Hz. The N-Sonic N73EQ mentioned seems to have a bunch more midrange frequencies. |
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Post by ericn on May 6, 2020 13:22:35 GMT -6
How on earth can you make a 500 series with an inductor and sell it for $160? Might be fun to mod the hell out of |
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Post by drbill on May 6, 2020 13:25:26 GMT -6
Costs no more to make mechanical tolerances "right" than it does to make them "wrong". These guys (Alctron) are making TONS of the gear that is mid-level throughout the industry -- branded for what some folks here consider their favorite brands. To the best of my knowledge, they made the TnC Neve (and other) stuff, and it's decent. I've used my TnC 1073/84's for a decade now, they they deliver. I think Vincent likes his. These are just branded for the dude that sells them. A one man shop. You can always contact him, and buy direct from him as well and ask him about QC directly instead of buying thru Reverb. astoundsoundrecording.com. BTW, I'm not associated with them in any way, nor have I purchased their EQ's. I don't tend to fall in love with Neve based EQ's. SOMEone here should buy a pair and report back though..... . Maybe I'll do it someday. I wouldn't say I love it. I enjoy using the outboard EQ. The preamp fails to impress next to my Dan Alexander. My plan for my pair of ACMP84s is to upgrade them through Revive Audio with better parts and real Carnhills once I have the cash to do it. For now, I've been using the EQ on vocals for my Christmas Album. I just feel like I can dial in the sound I'm going for more easily with the outboard piece than with plugins. Not sure why, but that's how I feel. I felt that way when I had the SSL Alpha Channel in here too. When I did a Q Clone scan of the ACMP84 you could see that the line in path was pretty linear. However, the preamp definitely showed a slow rolloff of bottom end throughout the spectrum, which is why they sound bright. I don't think I said you loved them, just liked them. . re: Bottom, that's interesting. Mine are freaking HUGE on the bottom. When I used them on drums the first time it was most definitely an "aha" moment. For that application, I kinda like them better than my AML ez-1073's. I don't use the EQ's much if at all though. Just the pre's. And usually only when I'm cutting drums. |
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Post by Vincent R. on May 6, 2020 14:53:21 GMT -6
drbill , then yes, I do like them. They're my only real outboard gear at the moment. I've been having a weird back and forth about them of late. Sort of rediscovering them now that I tracked down a second one. Most of my thoughts are a comparison between them and my Dan Alexander, but what I started realizing is both channels on the Dan Alexander are a little different from each other. Channel 2, which I use a lot, is a little beefier than Channel 1. The ACMP84s are more similar to Channel 1. So maybe, Channel 1 is more typical of a proper Neve preamp and Channel 2 is a little special. See the attached Q Clone images of the preamps of the TNC ACMP84 and Dan Alexander Channel 2. I haven't done Channel 1 and I don't see that I saved the image of the Line in, but as I recall it was pretty linear. Of course this doesn't demonstrate the harmonic differences. Both channels of the Dan Alexander are harmonically rich in comparison.
Attachment 1: ACMP84 Attachment 2: Dan Alexander
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Post by forgotteng on May 7, 2020 19:15:26 GMT -6
Yes I was wondering about these 560's. I almost bought a pair a few weeks ago but ended up with an elysia xfilter instead because I wanted to try it out on 2 buss. I sold 3 Alta Moda AM-25's which i had a love hate relationship with.
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Post by thirdeye on May 7, 2020 19:21:41 GMT -6
I love our XFilter!! I think the thing for me with the 560 is not having the 350Hz band is kind of a deal breaker.
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