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Post by jeromemason on Mar 25, 2014 23:39:13 GMT -6
So, since I've made the move to PT11 full on without looking back, I've got to figure out what route I want to go in for tuning vocals. I've had the same rtas version of Autotune forever, and instead of upgrading I wanted to get some input from folks on if there is anything better, does more, and sounds more natural.
Now, I know some of you on here, your first reaction is going to tell me to "get them lessons", "find someone that can sing" all that shit, but seriously, I want to know what you guys are using, and if it won't work in PT then I really have no use. I know some other DAW's have a free version, but like I said, I'm in PT 11. So anything but autotune I'd be interested in hearing about, and why you think it works well.
Thanks gents!
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Post by subhumanrecords on Mar 26, 2014 0:30:34 GMT -6
Melodyne
Recording 2 inches @ a Time(plus PT)
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 26, 2014 6:30:33 GMT -6
So, since I've made the move to PT11 full on without looking back, I've got to figure out what route I want to go in for tuning vocals. I've had the same rtas version of Autotune forever, and instead of upgrading I wanted to get some input from folks on if there is anything better, does more, and sounds more natural. Now, I know some of you on here, your first reaction is going to tell me to "get them lessons", "find someone that can sing" all that shit, but seriously, I want to know what you guys are using, and if it won't work in PT then I really have no use. I know some other DAW's have a free version, but like I said, I'm in PT 11. So anything but autotune I'd be interested in hearing about, and why you think it works well. Thanks gents! I hate when people give narrow minded answers like that... not many people sing in tune (slam me for that but in my experience it's true.) I have both Melodyne and Autotune, I use both. For major tuning I would always use melodyne but for minor intonation issues like a bass guitar, I use autotune in auto mode with slow tuning values. Melodyne works a little differently so you will have to get use to it. |
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Post by matt on Mar 26, 2014 7:45:41 GMT -6
I'm interested in picking up a tuning plugin as well.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 26, 2014 8:05:12 GMT -6
I like waves tune
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2014 8:21:46 GMT -6
So, since I've made the move to PT11 full on without looking back, I've got to figure out what route I want to go in for tuning vocals. I've had the same rtas version of Autotune forever, and instead of upgrading I wanted to get some input from folks on if there is anything better, does more, and sounds more natural. Now, I know some of you on here, your first reaction is going to tell me to "get them lessons", "find someone that can sing" all that shit, but seriously, I want to know what you guys are using, and if it won't work in PT then I really have no use. I know some other DAW's have a free version, but like I said, I'm in PT 11. So anything but autotune I'd be interested in hearing about, and why you think it works well. Thanks gents! I hate when people give narrow minded answers like that... not many people sing in tune (slam me for that but in my experience it's true.) I have both Melodyne and Autotune, I use both. For major tuning I would always use melodyne but for minor intonation issues like a bass guitar, I use autotune in auto mode with slow tuning values. Melodyne works a little differently so you will have to get use to it. What he said. I use them both. Most people don't sing in tune. Myself included. I know some will argue that people who don't sing in tune shouldn't sing...but should girls that don't look like Cindy Crawford not wear makeup? I say no... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2014 8:25:52 GMT -6
BTW - if I could only have one, it would absolutely be Melodyne. I had been consolidating my vocal comp in PT's and then inporting into the Melodyne software...then importing back in to PT's...but lately, especially for harmonies, I've been using the Melodyne plugin. You use it within the host - and the great thing is that along with tuning, you can use it to line up harms to the vocal - you can just shorten or lengthen the waveform. Really, really easy. Much easier IMHO than using warp or whatever the time stretch algo is in PT's.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 26, 2014 8:29:59 GMT -6
BTW - if I could only have one, it would absolutely be Melodyne. I had been consolidating my vocal comp in PT's and then inporting into the Melodyne software...then importing back in to PT's...but lately, especially for harmonies, I've been using the Melodyne plugin. You use it within the host - and the great thing is that along with tuning, you can use it to line up harms to the vocal - you can just shorten or lengthen the waveform. Really, really easy. Much easier IMHO than using warp or whatever the time stretch algo is in PT's. Melodyne has a plugin version now eh? I've been using Melodyne Studio (2?) for years, but it was only a standalone app. I've been weighing the different options for an upgrade as well. Melodyne still seems to be the best eh? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2014 8:31:47 GMT -6
I only have the junior version, too...Melodyne Assistant I think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 9:23:53 GMT -6
Melodyne editor is great.
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Post by littlesicily on Mar 26, 2014 11:29:51 GMT -6
I've used Melodyne Studio for many years... also have the plugin 2 but only use that for occasional polyphonic fixes. Auto-Tune for occasional quick spot-fixes.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 26, 2014 13:16:09 GMT -6
I'm demo'n the Melodyne..... my computer keeps crashing though every time I try to import the audio..... I've used melodyne in the past actually, but it gave off this really weird high freq thing, people complain about Autotune doing it too, but I heard it more in Melodyne. I was actually using melodyne at one time to put guitars in time and everything else, it was a pretty powerful plugin, I'll be interested to see if they got it to sound decent as soon as I figure out why its melting my system.
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 28, 2014 6:54:11 GMT -6
Melodyne is great, though the analysis of polyphony in DNA is rather slow.. still, what a tool!
It's also great cause you can use it to generate a MIDI file of whatever part you're tuning/correcting which can be great for doubling parts quickly with soft synths or samplers. Or even different drum parts if it's a percussion thing.
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Post by henge on Mar 28, 2014 6:58:06 GMT -6
BTW - if I could only have one, it would absolutely be Melodyne. I had been consolidating my vocal comp in PT's and then inporting into the Melodyne software...then importing back in to PT's...but lately, especially for harmonies, I've been using the Melodyne plugin. You use it within the host - and the great thing is that along with tuning, you can use it to line up harms to the vocal - you can just shorten or lengthen the waveform. Really, really easy. Much easier IMHO than using warp or whatever the time stretch algo is in PT's. Love me some melodyne as well! In fact that's how I'm starting the day...I hate Melodyning but love the results. Powerful as hell... |
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Post by henge on Mar 28, 2014 6:59:14 GMT -6
Melodyne is great, though the analysis of polyphony in DNA is rather slow.. still, what a tool! It's also great cause you can use it to generate a MIDI file of whatever part you're tuning/correcting which can be great for doubling parts quickly with soft synths or samplers. Or even different drum parts if it's a percussion thing. You know I've never tried this feature. Gotta check it out. One thing though, Melo is a resource pig on my system! |
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 28, 2014 7:16:59 GMT -6
Melodyne is great, though the analysis of polyphony in DNA is rather slow.. still, what a tool! It's also great cause you can use it to generate a MIDI file of whatever part you're tuning/correcting which can be great for doubling parts quickly with soft synths or samplers. Or even different drum parts if it's a percussion thing. You know I've never tried this feature. Gotta check it out. One thing though, Melo is a resource pig on my system! Oh yeah, complete CPU hog. I tend to run it offline for that reason - though sometimes I'll rewire if I want to edit just the timing of something. |
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Post by henge on Mar 28, 2014 8:36:51 GMT -6
You know I've never tried this feature. Gotta check it out. One thing though, Melo is a resource pig on my system! Oh yeah, complete CPU hog. I tend to run it offline for that reason - though sometimes I'll rewire if I want to edit just the timing of something. well luckily Reaper runs it as a vst efficiently enough for work but I ain't zipping around the project, that's for sure. Melo kills the visuals and my screen does weird shit if I try to go somewhere else too quickly. That being said I need to hear the track to work in melo so it's a tradeoff. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 28, 2014 8:39:02 GMT -6
Oh yeah, complete CPU hog. I tend to run it offline for that reason - though sometimes I'll rewire if I want to edit just the timing of something. well luckily Reaper runs it as a vst efficiently enough for work but I ain't zipping around the project, that's for sure. Melo kills the visuals and my screen does weird shit if I try to go somewhere else too quickly. That being said I need to hear the track to work in melo so it's a tradeoff. Just do a bounce of audio only to import in standalone Melo. I always used an audio only stem + all the vocal tracks that I wanted to tune in my Melo session. |
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Post by henge on Mar 28, 2014 8:58:25 GMT -6
well luckily Reaper runs it as a vst efficiently enough for work but I ain't zipping around the project, that's for sure. Melo kills the visuals and my screen does weird shit if I try to go somewhere else too quickly. That being said I need to hear the track to work in melo so it's a tradeoff. Just do a bounce of audio only to import in standalone Melo. I always used an audio only stem + all the vocal tracks that I wanted to tune in my Melo session. I got out of the habit of doing this! dunno why, it only takes a minute to bounce a inst only mix. Thanks jcoutu1, I'm back in the habit again. I love melodyne but I hate the mind numbing process of doing it. That's why I'm dicking around on the forum...;-) |
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 28, 2014 10:37:43 GMT -6
Oh yeah, complete CPU hog. I tend to run it offline for that reason - though sometimes I'll rewire if I want to edit just the timing of something. well luckily Reaper runs it as a vst efficiently enough for work but I ain't zipping around the project, that's for sure. Melo kills the visuals and my screen does weird shit if I try to go somewhere else too quickly. That being said I need to hear the track to work in melo so it's a tradeoff. I'm in Reaper too. It's actually losing the ability to readily change where I am in the track timeline that means I do it offline. Notepad to make notes of where my edits need to be. Both can access the same file at the same time (ever use Reaper's Secondary editor option?) if needs be. Anyone ever tried automating a pitch shifter for this stuff? I did it for saxaphone before using Reapitch and it work pretty well. Haven't tried it on vocals though. |
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Post by henge on Mar 28, 2014 10:59:46 GMT -6
well luckily Reaper runs it as a vst efficiently enough for work but I ain't zipping around the project, that's for sure. Melo kills the visuals and my screen does weird shit if I try to go somewhere else too quickly. That being said I need to hear the track to work in melo so it's a tradeoff. I'm in Reaper too. It's actually losing the ability to readily change where I am in the track timeline that means I do it offline. Specifically what do you mean? |
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 28, 2014 13:39:04 GMT -6
I'm in Reaper too. It's actually losing the ability to readily change where I am in the track timeline that means I do it offline. Specifically what do you mean? Well when I'm doing something like shifting around the timing of a vocal phrase, I can get a little lost in the specifics of those few bars, so I'll reference a previous verse or whatever so I can get my context a little better. Melodyne doesn't really let me do that quickly/smoothly. Maybe it's just my shoddy setup (I'm still on XP, folks!) but that's why I work the way I do. |
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