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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 25, 2014 17:05:25 GMT -6
Disclaimer...I love the Apollo and what grounds I think it has broken but I think it is a matter of time when the rest of the developers improve on the design and development something that does the same thing in regards to recording with plugs at very very low latencies but in an open platform (AAX, AU, VST, etc...) For example:  Any opinions??? |
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 25, 2014 17:16:57 GMT -6
IMHO Slate has a lot of ground to cover by failing on the updates that were promised. Probably why you're seeing such low prices. But I do think UAD is slightly overpriced, but I'm loving the plugins, plus they are hosted.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 25, 2014 17:37:21 GMT -6
not certain I think it fair comparison as slate pays no royalties , as does UA
also, slate does not offer deals like UA does related to hardware sales ( which you are well aware of :0) and ua prices are regularly marked down at least 30% and more so you really just need to be patient and buy when there is a sale
So, if someone is imprudent and buys impulsively and pays full retail: how is it ua's fault
to me the obvious thing is when software companies like slate need operating capital , instead of a loan, they just have a plug sale; every dollar is pure profit at no additional cost; literally a license to print money and you can take that opinion to the bank !
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 25, 2014 17:55:31 GMT -6
Ive been a recipient of all the sales...in fact I have never bought at full price but still Ive spent about $2000. I love the UAD plugs by the way!
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 25, 2014 18:51:51 GMT -6
UAD are overpriced. I own them and like them, but I haven't bought anything new in a year and half. It's hard to spend that kind of money and then not be able to resell them. It all or nothing. I have focused on hardware which still sounds better and holds it value.
Slate stuff is a lot of marketing. Everything I own of his or tried I don't love. I pass on most of his stuff as well.
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Post by popmann on Mar 25, 2014 18:53:30 GMT -6
Their business model is different. all together. Its an investment and in turn obligaion to invest more in a platform. And technically, like TDM plugs--they functionally don't perform the same tasks.
They are more money. But, "overpriced" depends on what function you're using them for.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 25, 2014 19:43:10 GMT -6
When they sold for 150 each I bought a lot of them. Now that they are around 300 each, I put that money towards DIY gear (which goes a long ways) or towards something I can't DIY. They just priced them to high for me to care anymore. I'm not afraid to spend money on gear but I'm not stupid. They need to make it easier to resale the plugs separately if they want me to keep throwing thousands their way.
I still like them better then most other plugin companies. I'm just done pumping money into them.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 25, 2014 20:14:11 GMT -6
IMHO Slate has a lot of ground to cover by failing on the updates that were promised. Probably why you're seeing such low prices. But I do think UAD is slightly overpriced, but I'm loving the plugins, plus they are hosted. I wish they were cheaper...but man, they're really better than most things out there...at least the mkII's. I know the Slate MU isn't supposed to exactly be a Fairchild...but to me, it pales in comparison to the UA version. |
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Post by bentley on Mar 26, 2014 19:37:31 GMT -6
I wish they were cheaper...but man, they're really better than most things out there...at least the mkII's. I know the Slate MU isn't supposed to exactly be a Fairchild...but to me, it pales in comparison to the UA version. Well shit. I blame you for this... I've been enjoying the Slate MU as a compressor across a buss from anything not drum related. Tried the MKII Fairchild and it just made everything a tad smoother and more pleasing to the ear. At least it's a cheap upgrade since I already had the original. I do agree that it sounds great and has the edge over the Slate MU. The Fairchild emulations thus far haven't really done anything special for me but this one has something nice going on. I'm sending you the bill... |
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 26, 2014 20:32:40 GMT -6
I wish they were cheaper...but man, they're really better than most things out there...at least the mkII's. I know the Slate MU isn't supposed to exactly be a Fairchild...but to me, it pales in comparison to the UA version. Well shit. I blame you for this... I've been enjoying the Slate MU as a compressor across a buss from anything not drum related. Tried the MKII Fairchild and it just made everything a tad smoother and more pleasing to the ear. At least it's a cheap upgrade since I already had the original. I do agree that it sounds great and has the edge over the Slate MU. The Fairchild emulations thus far haven't really done anything special for me but this one has something nice going on. I'm sending you the bill... the new Fairchild maybe my favorite! Really good on a lot of things! |
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Post by levon on Mar 27, 2014 0:43:44 GMT -6
Considering the added price of the hardware, yeah, UAD plugins are overpriced. Then again, it's the top of the crop and they always have some promos going on. I hardly ever paid full price on any of them and I own a lot. And, as some pointed out, they do pay royalties, so I'm fine with it. Slate is big on marketing, true, but I love his stuff also. VTM and VCC is top notch and his drums are great. I think both have a place in any studio. Those two, plus Brainworx and Soundtoys are the best out there IMO.
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Post by keymod on Mar 27, 2014 4:14:29 GMT -6
Are we confusing the term "overpriced" with "expensive"? Two different things, IMHO. Some things that are expensive turn out to be relative bargains in the long run.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 27, 2014 8:47:02 GMT -6
Excellent point
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 27, 2014 9:01:39 GMT -6
Good point keymod. My UAD EMT 140 works for me as if I had the hardware, just perfect on acoustic sources. The Ampex ATR-102 feels quite real too. So, they're expensive, but do deliver very high quality, consistently, so I'd have to say not overpriced.
If UAD ever does begin selling their plugs at lower prices, it will be competition that forces their prices down. Slate's VBC is a excellent tool, the Grey, and the Red are really good, but yes, the Mu is not up to their hype, by any means, click on it, and you get edgy and less bottom. Once in a while it does add some mojo, so I'll say I still need to get better acquainted with it before passing final judgement.
UAD does need some kind of sale or transfer policy that enables those of us to sell or trade plugs we no longer use. if I could sell the Massive Passive, I'd gladly try one or two other plugs, so UAD would only gain in the long run.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2014 14:59:23 GMT -6
levon u said "Considering the added price of the hardware, yeah, UAD plugins are overpriced." well you are welcome to your opinion, but I think that is debatable ? are you stripping out the interface and only talking about the uad-2 card ? I have hardly ever been able to use vcc on all my channels due to its dsp load I jumped on ua's octal and plug sale last year and with the custom upgrade offer and selling my old satellite, I was out of pocket about $300 usd but had gained almost $3,000 of value ; the octo card is about 1500 but I increased my dsp capacity by 30-40 percent and I got a coupon fro $1050 of plugs and a custom upgrade offer when I registered the octo point is I never run out of dsp and everything works flawlessly I see buying UA as an investment and if pick your timing you can significantly reduce the cost but capitalize on the value proposition.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 15:06:53 GMT -6
They charge what people will pay. Don't like it, close your wallet. This is why I didn't purchase drumatom. $400 is too much for a plugin.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 27, 2014 18:55:26 GMT -6
I just got this Quad and I don't really see how I would max that out...unless I'm just slapping shit on willy nilly...
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 28, 2014 0:24:19 GMT -6
I just got this Quad and I don't really see how I would max that out...unless I'm just slapping shit on willy nilly... famous last ua plug words !! |
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Post by allbuttonmode on Mar 28, 2014 4:54:29 GMT -6
I just got this Quad and I don't really see how I would max that out...unless I'm just slapping shit on willy nilly... Believe me, it will happen...  |
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Post by henge on Mar 28, 2014 7:02:57 GMT -6
I just got this Quad and I don't really see how I would max that out...unless I'm just slapping shit on willy nilly... Believe me, it will happen... LOL! Yeah, it seems to work like that... I don't have UAD. I've heard the plugs at other studios and they sound fantastic. |
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 28, 2014 8:47:32 GMT -6
They charge what people will pay. Don't like it, close your wallet. This is why I didn't purchase drumatom. $400 is too much for a plugin. This is exactly what I am doing. I can do more with my money. When they are on sale or something. That is the only time I buy them anymore. But they do need to make it easier to re sell the plugins. |
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 28, 2014 8:48:35 GMT -6
I just got this Quad and I don't really see how I would max that out...unless I'm just slapping shit on willy nilly... I've had a quad for a number of years and I don't think I have even gotten close to maxing it out. I don't have any of the higher DSP plugs however. So, maybe with a few of those I would. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 28, 2014 8:52:16 GMT -6
Yeah...all of my sessions are around the same number of tracks and I mix the UAD stuff in with other native plugs and some outboard...I feel pretty safe with the Quad.
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Post by nico on Mar 28, 2014 18:27:13 GMT -6
I don't think they are overpriced considering the quality, updates, mkii, support, stability ( UAD2 pcie here, dont know about Satellite or Appollo ), uniqueness of their plugs, very consistent reliable company and products....+ important: there always comes a time with promotions, coupons or special deals if/when you upgrade. I don't know why but I don't mind paying more than other brands.....you can demo all products regularly ( with updates you get demo resets ). Last but not least : is there any plugs they offer that sucks? for me not, couldn't say that about a few others....
regards, Nico
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Post by levon on Mar 31, 2014 5:36:33 GMT -6
levon u said "Considering the added price of the hardware, yeah, UAD plugins are overpriced." well you are welcome to your opinion, but I think that is debatable ? are you stripping out the interface and only talking about the uad-2 card ? I have hardly ever been able to use vcc on all my channels due to its dsp load I jumped on ua's octal and plug sale last year and with the custom upgrade offer and selling my old satellite, I was out of pocket about $300 usd but had gained almost $3,000 of value ; the octo card is about 1500 but I increased my dsp capacity by 30-40 percent and I got a coupon fro $1050 of plugs and a custom upgrade offer when I registered the octo point is I never run out of dsp and everything works flawlessly I see buying UA as an investment and if pick your timing you can significantly reduce the cost but capitalize on the value proposition. Thanks for letting my have my opinion . I don't have the Apollo interface. I bought the UAD-1 many moons ago and switched to a UAD-2 quad in 2008. There was no discount then, I paid full price (1,400 Euros, you do the conversion), I'm glad I did and I don't moan about it. I also have an 8-core MacPro. I have yet to tax my DSP more than a third of its capacity. My system runs smooth, fast and never crashes. Not even when using the Logic 32-bit bridge. I couldn't be happier. My point was that, giving the initial investment for the UAD hardware, be it a UAD-2 card or an Apollo, I think the plugins could be a tad cheaper. They average at 300 dollars now, I believe that 200 would still be a good moneymaker for UAD. But I don't complain about the price (I leave that to the GS moaners), it is what it is and since I love them and want to use them, I pay for them. I have about 70% of all UAD plugins and, as I said, I bought many at a discounted price. By the way, I do use VCC on every channel along with a bunch of other, non-UAD, stuff and never have any problems. I also never run out of DSP power and everything works flawlessly. |
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