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Post by svart on Mar 25, 2014 19:00:39 GMT -6
I never really liked lexicons. I LOVE my TC M-one though. probably not in the same league as the Bricasti, but it's fooled many people into thinking I have huge rooms to record in.
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Post by drbill on Mar 25, 2014 19:01:55 GMT -6
I'd love to listen to a quick vocal and drum blind comparison between the hardware and those true stereo M7 IR's. I'd never buy me one unless I'm getting paid big buck but just for fun. C'mon, someone drop my jaw. Sorry, you're going to have to get your hands on one to do the comparison I'm afraid. But I said the same thing as you. I was in the middle of a mix, using the Impulse responses, and got a rental in to check it against the impulses. It took me about 30 seconds to start crying..... Cause I realized I was going to be $3000 poorer and I'd have to explain to my wife why the real thing was better... She got over it..... :-) |
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Post by drbill on Mar 25, 2014 19:05:58 GMT -6
Do you guys rob banks or what? No. We grew up when studio's cost a couple hundred thou - just for the basics, so we think it's a bargain, and buy in pairs.... |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 25, 2014 21:16:52 GMT -6
I've got one. It's great. Awesome. BUT It will not make you write better songs.... Right...maybe I should sell all my gear...but wait, that won't make me write better songs either... I don't think you should sell all your gear but you know my opinion. Your a good enough writer to make a dent. I'd trade all my stuff in for one hit record you've got hanging on the wall. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 25, 2014 21:19:48 GMT -6
I could make the argument that selling all your gear would make your songs better. Time and focus. A strong second on this! |
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Post by jimwilliams on Mar 26, 2014 10:04:02 GMT -6
Lexicon is a pop sound, swishy and full of modulations, sort of like what I call 'chorus-reverb'. It's ok as long as you accept it's an effect added. Bricasti is different, it creates the space the music is recorded in. Therefore it hides behind the dry sound much better, it sounds like it's part of that sound, not an afterthought added on.
It's quite the bargain as main frame Lexicons cost over $8,000 new with loaded 480's and 996 over $10,000. Computer based knock-off algo's won't get there either, you would need about 10 P7 processors to numerate the data rates going on in the Bricasti with it's 6 Analog Devices Blackfin processors.
I bought mine after hearing it at NAMM. I first auditioned the lexicon PCM 96, but the Bricasti made me forget all about that. I sold my tweaked up Lexicon 224XL the next day and bought the Bricasti. I still have other Lexicons for that pop reverb. The Lexicon 224 I got for free for fixing another one for someone that bought them off an LA rental co. So in the end, the Bricasti was also free.
Bricasti is a continuing design, Casey is working on new algo's and there will be future free updates to owners.
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Post by drbill on Mar 26, 2014 10:23:31 GMT -6
Casey is working on new algo's and there will be future free updates to owners. Not to be forgotten, or underestimated when considering the price. IMO, although expensive, the M7 is a throwback to the past - in a GREAT way. A piece of gear designed and built to last (not only physically, but with updates, workflow / stylistically as well) for decades. Not cheap Chinese crap that is outdated almost immediately, and that even if it lasts a couple of years is hopelessly outdated and worthless (financially). My M7 is worth almost as much as I paid for it almost 5 years ago. And that's saying something. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 26, 2014 11:03:30 GMT -6
How does the B plates stand up to the real deal plate reverbs(EMT/Echoplate)? I know Jim and Bill both have direct experience with both... Unless I'm sorely mistaken?
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Post by drbill on Mar 26, 2014 11:37:40 GMT -6
Tony - It's been a loooong time since I had a plate in great condition to use on a daily basis, so everything is just "rememberances" rather than anything remotely "scientific" comparison wise. Generally - for me - something electro-mechanical always wins out due to the analog irregularities that it introduces into the signal. All that said, I'm perfectly happy with the plates in the Bricasti and even those in the Lex PCM (love the ekoplate in there) in a plateless environment. Good stuff.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2014 17:52:46 GMT -6
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Post by jimwilliams on Mar 27, 2014 11:43:29 GMT -6
Nothing sounds like a real plate, it's metallic sounding, for a reason. Bricasti and Lexicon plate sounds are an alternative, not a replacement.
Yes, you need to buy them all.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 28, 2014 8:52:08 GMT -6
I agree with Jim. The plate's get you by in the M7, but they are not the strong point of the unit. Until I have more space and money they are working for me. Heck the UAD 140 is also helping with that.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2014 18:55:37 GMT -6
Didn't they come out with a DA too? I invited Casey to join up...
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Post by sharpeleven on Apr 4, 2014 7:32:10 GMT -6
I have a bricasti since the time it was released. Like others said before it really does a fantastic job at emulating reality. I mean it'll even turn a crappy nylon piezo signal into a stunning performance any time you need it to. Just generally excels at realistic room tones. That being said, more often than not I feel the need to treat the sound a bit, specially low end build up tends to become somewhat overpowering when layering. Also it's not a replacement for the sparkly in-your-face verbs. Also recently relocated to Europe and was shocked to learn there is no user serviceable way built into the unit to switch voltages - you need so send it in for service for that...
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Post by dandeurloo on Apr 4, 2014 8:06:43 GMT -6
That being said, more often than not I feel the need to treat the sound a bit, specially low end build up tends to become somewhat overpowering when layering. You know the m7 has a bass roll off built in it? It's not labeled anything that makes sense. I think it's called vlc or something like that. It's actually really nice once you start to use that. |
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Post by matt on Apr 4, 2014 10:32:45 GMT -6
Didn't they come out with a DA too? I invited Casey to join up... Yes: Bricasti M1 |
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Post by dandeurloo on Apr 4, 2014 11:01:55 GMT -6
I think the DAC is designed for Hi Fi guys a little more then ProAudio. Maybe designed is the wrong way to describe it. I think its targeted towards Hi Fi. I know that Casey does a good amount of work in the Hi Fi world as well.
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Post by sharpeleven on Apr 5, 2014 6:43:42 GMT -6
That being said, more often than not I feel the need to treat the sound a bit, specially low end build up tends to become somewhat overpowering when layering. You know the m7 has a bass roll off built in it? It's not labeled anything that makes sense. I think it's called vlc or something like that. It's actually really nice once you start to use that. Yes, good point. The unit has a number of parameters for tweaking the tone effectively. I like to use those when using it in 'real time' or just manipulate it down the line in the daw when/if there's a need for layering/printing reverb tracks. |
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Post by RicFoxx on Apr 5, 2014 8:17:03 GMT -6
I hate this thread...it's going to get me in trouble with my wife!
Thanks fellas.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2014 8:21:42 GMT -6
Yeah...but now my gas has started wafting in a different direction.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 5, 2014 9:59:07 GMT -6
Yeah...but now my gas has started wafting in a different direction. Objection ur honor, leading,..... sustained.  Anyone know how much the M1 co$t? |
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Post by lolo on Apr 8, 2014 22:46:31 GMT -6
Maybe stevenslate can put this box in a plugin 
We can dream right |
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Post by dandeurloo on Apr 9, 2014 9:19:26 GMT -6
a large part of the sound is the analog stages and the strength of the DSP in the box. I don't think a plugin would stand up to it.
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Post by henge on Apr 9, 2014 9:27:15 GMT -6
a large part of the sound is the analog stages and the strength of the DSP in the box. I don't think a plugin would stand up to it. You know what would be cool is if a dev modeled the analogue stages of whatever, and coded it into their verbs. So R2 with the modeled input/output stages of a Bricasti,Lex,Roland,Quantec etc.. I think the LX480 does this. I have to pull that thing out and give it a spin again... |
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