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Post by rowmat on Jul 4, 2020 12:25:49 GMT -6
Guys, you are talking about changing the rules and treat people in hospital not after the seriousness of their conditions, but worse depending on their everyday lifestyle, if they are poor (healthy food IS more expensive in the US), and IMHO after your own moral ideas. To my mind came words like social darwinism, bad triage, inhuman and lack of empathy. Call me paranoid ... but I take my medication every day. No. I already said that's not what I said. I said teach people to be more healthy so they live better lives when they're older and cut down our out of control healthcare costs and high mortality rate from preventable diseases. Maybe you don't understand what it's like here, but there is very little health education about diet here, and part of that is the myth of eating healthy being expensive. Too much marketing junk foods and unhealthy behavior and not enough education to offset it because the sugar and junk food industries lobby the government. And from Dr John Campbell in the UK
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Post by ericn on Jul 4, 2020 12:57:28 GMT -6
You're very correct in that alot of people who needed to be served by hospitals weren't...but it happened in a very backwards way. Hospitals like my own stopped all non-emergent surgeries and procedures in anticipation of a huge surge that didn't come. It wasn't physical lack of beds or staff. We stopped that policy weeks ago but things still haven't picked up to where they used to be pre-covid. Our ICU's have a pretty normal (busy) census, but the rest of the hospital is still slow. We're laying people off slowly, cutting shifts and people are taking pay cuts. Unfortunately, if you wait before preparing for a surge until it begins you'll be too late and the resulting deaths will really trash the economy. Well Bob your not wrong, but July is the one month you don’t want to be anywhere near a hospital! July first is when all the residents and fellows start ( nothing like having 2 first years trying to starting a line in your neck). You will see more and transfers of both Covid and non Covid patients to suburban hospitals ( as they are doing in Houston). Also remember when you see hospital or ICU capacity numbers they should always be published with an asterisks and explanation if that is based on beds or staffing. A bigger worry might be the PPE burn rate in CA, AZ and TX. When NY was going through it pretty much everybody else across the country was shut down so the PPE and drugs ect were not being used as much outside of NY, now the rest of the country is getting back to normal except every hospital employee is using PPE. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 13:39:57 GMT -6
That's not at all what I read into it.
I read it as telling all us "old folks" to shut up and die, we're not worth anything anyway - and I STRENUOUSLY object to it.
And I also object to what you just posted, too. I strikes me as being very "foodist" in a particular hippie/faddist way. "spent decades gobbling every fatty, sugary, fried butter blob they could get their greasy, tobacco stained flippers on, and then demanded to be sent to the front of the line for treatment when they ran into health issues." 
Are you kidding? Because that just pisses me off.
I thought you were kidding at first, but now I realize you're serious. Wow. You either need medication, or to get off of it. Nobody said old people should die. In fact, I said that we should teach younger generations to take better care of themselves so they live longer without the Herculean amounts of drugs, medical care and money it currently takes to keep people alive, albeit essentially suffering with their afflictions. You read what your paranoid mind wanted to see. Nothing more. "So they live longer without the Herculean amounts of drugs, medical care and money it currently takes to keep people alive, albeit essentially suffering with their afflictions."
Without the drugs it takes to keep them alive.
Right.
Live longer without the drugs that keep them alive.
You're insane.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 14:04:05 GMT -6
I thought you were kidding at first, but now I realize you're serious. Wow. You either need medication, or to get off of it. Nobody said old people should die. In fact, I said that we should teach younger generations to take better care of themselves so they live longer without the Herculean amounts of drugs, medical care and money it currently takes to keep people alive, albeit essentially suffering with their afflictions. You read what your paranoid mind wanted to see. Nothing more. I find it fucking hilarious that he thought he was being deliberately singled out. Deliberately singled out?
HELL, NO!
He was "singling out" an entire older generation.
He was also making a sweeping generalization about old people all being fat and unhealthy, which is not true.
It's all propaganda. I know more younger people who are fat than older people. The one couple who I (was) in contact with who died from Covid were not fat, but they were old.
He made a nasty, ageist statement and is trying to laugh it off as a joke.
Sorry, that boat does not float.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 14:25:55 GMT -6
Guys, you are talking about changing the rules and treat people in hospital not after the seriousness of their conditions, but worse depending on their everyday lifestyle, if they are poor (healthy food IS more expensive in the US), and IMHO after your own moral ideas. To my mind came words like social darwinism, bad triage, inhuman and lack of empathy. Call me paranoid ... but I take my medication every day. No. I already said that's not what I said. I said teach people to be more healthy so they live better lives when they're older and cut down our out of control healthcare costs and high mortality rate from preventable diseases. Maybe you don't understand what it's like here, but there is very little health education about diet here, and part of that is the myth of eating healthy being expensive. Too much marketing junk foods and unhealthy behavior and not enough education to offset it because the sugar and junk food industries lobby the government. Maybe you should be more careful about what you say and the context in which you say it.
I don't eat "unhealthy", but I also don't fall over myself for the latest food faddist diets, etc.
And yet this "guy", who has never met me, makes assumptions about me and everyone else in my age bracket.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 4, 2020 14:34:16 GMT -6
I thought you were kidding at first, but now I realize you're serious. Wow. You either need medication, or to get off of it. Nobody said old people should die. In fact, I said that we should teach younger generations to take better care of themselves so they live longer without the Herculean amounts of drugs, medical care and money it currently takes to keep people alive, albeit essentially suffering with their afflictions. You read what your paranoid mind wanted to see. Nothing more. "So they live longer without the Herculean amounts of drugs, medical care and money it currently takes to keep people alive, albeit essentially suffering with their afflictions."
Without the drugs it takes to keep them alive.
Right.
Live longer without the drugs that keep them alive.
You're insane.
You’re misreading his statement. He’s saying people can live longer without drugs if they took better care of their health from a younger age. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 14:50:14 GMT -6
"So they live longer without the Herculean amounts of drugs, medical care and money it currently takes to keep people alive, albeit essentially suffering with their afflictions."
Without the drugs it takes to keep them alive.
Right.
Live longer without the drugs that keep them alive.
You're insane.
You’re misreading his statement. He’s saying people can live longer without drugs if they took better care of their health from a younger age. Possibly.
However, it';s about CONTEXT.
And the CONTEXT in this thread is the Corona virus/COVID19. It isn't what people maybe should have done 20 or 30 years ago. And it isn't about the inequities of nutrition in American society.
It's about The Virus, and what to do about it now.
And I find his post highly insulting. He could at least apologise, but it doesn't look like he's going to. So far he's just doubled down. And apologies don't really count if you have to be told to, anyway.
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Post by rowmat on Jul 4, 2020 14:57:22 GMT -6
No. I already said that's not what I said. I said teach people to be more healthy so they live better lives when they're older and cut down our out of control healthcare costs and high mortality rate from preventable diseases. Maybe you don't understand what it's like here, but there is very little health education about diet here, and part of that is the myth of eating healthy being expensive. Too much marketing junk foods and unhealthy behavior and not enough education to offset it because the sugar and junk food industries lobby the government. Maybe you should be more careful about what you say and the context in which you say it.
I don't eat "unhealthy", but I also don't fall over myself for the latest food faddist diets, etc.
And yet this "guy", who has never met me, makes assumptions about me and everyone else in my age bracket. FFS John it was never about YOU. It was a generalisation which statistics show to be far more correct than not.
You just chose to hijack the discussion and make it about YOU. However this undoubtedly does apply to you... |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 15:28:59 GMT -6
Maybe you should be more careful about what you say and the context in which you say it.
I don't eat "unhealthy", but I also don't fall over myself for the latest food faddist diets, etc.
And yet this "guy", who has never met me, makes assumptions about me and everyone else in my age bracket. FFS John it was never about YOU. It was a generalisation which statistics show to be far more correct than not.
You just chose to hijack the discussion and make it about YOU. However this undoubtedly does apply to you... No.
That's all in YOUR head.
It's not about me - it's about all the other people who are over 60 (or, more likely, over 50) who are trapped in this mess and getting crap from all the people whop are opposed to proper health care and taking the reasonable, sane path towards preserving lives and not saying "Oh, we don't need THOSE people, screw them!" Like all the other kinds of "those people" they're trying to get rid of.
Ageist, racist, classicist, whatever - it's all the same. It's all a minority of people trying to maintain control over a world that just isn't theirs anymore.
And the pandemic is the ideal tool.
It's funny - the rest of the western world doesn't have this problem - they're all dealing with the virus just fine, everything's pretty much under control. EXCEPT the good ole USA.
Why is that?
Could is POSSIBLY be all the flak we're getting from people who refuse to go along with what has been PROVEN to work elsewhere? Could it POSSIBLY be all the anti-scientific nonsense from Washington?
Could it possibly be that certain people are using the virus as a weapon against those who don't agree with their politics? And who know damn well that they're losing?
Hey, if all the poor and differently colored people die, then things can go back to the "good old days".
Right?
RIGHT?
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Post by rowmat on Jul 4, 2020 15:57:49 GMT -6
FFS John it was never about YOU. It was a generalisation which statistics show to be far more correct than not.
You just chose to hijack the discussion and make it about YOU. However this undoubtedly does apply to you... No.
That's all in YOUR head.
It's not about me - it's about all the other people who are over 60 (or, more likely, over 50) who are trapped in this mess and getting crap from all the people whop are opposed to proper health care and taking the reasonable, sane path towards preserving lives and not saying "Oh, we don't need THOSE people, screw them!" Like all the other kinds of "those people" they're trying to get rid of.
Ageist, racist, classicist, whatever - it's all the same. It's all a minority of people trying to maintain control over a world that just isn't theirs anymore.
And the pandemic is the ideal tool.
It's funny - the rest of the western world doesn't have this problem - they're all dealing with the virus just fine, everything's pretty much under control. EXCEPT the good ole USA.
Why is that?
Could is POSSIBLY be all the flak we're getting from people who refuse to go along with what has been PROVEN to work elsewhere? Could it POSSIBLY be all the anti-scientific nonsense from Washington?
Could it possibly be that certain people are using the virus as a weapon against those who don't agree with their politics? And who know damn well that they're losing?
Hey, if all the poor and differently colored people die, then things can go back to the "good old days".
Right?
RIGHT? So now someone who has spent decades developing Metabolic Syndrome can blame the current US administration if they develop severe complications from COVID-19. FYI most don't suffer severe outcomes from COVID-19. Those who do are overwhelmingly carrying co-morbidities such as obesity, Type 2 diabetes, cardio-vascular disease, hypertension and insufficient Vitamin D levels etc. which are mostly symptoms of poor nutrition and lifestyle choices typical of most Western countries (not only the US) and which didn't just magically appear on election day in November 2016.
But as usual you have to find a way of conflating all this to feed your rampant TDS. - Hilarious!
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Post by svart on Jul 4, 2020 16:19:36 GMT -6
Maybe you should be more careful about what you say and the context in which you say it.
I don't eat "unhealthy", but I also don't fall over myself for the latest food faddist diets, etc.
And yet this "guy", who has never met me, makes assumptions about me and everyone else in my age bracket. FFS John it was never about YOU. It was a generalisation which statistics show to be far more correct than not.
You just chose to hijack the discussion and make it about YOU. However this undoubtedly does apply to you... Told you. He's completely paranoid. Somehow everything is a slight to him personally and he'll never admit that's the root of most of his issues with other people on here. He completely misread and misinterpreted what I said, and he'll never admit to it, and in fact, he's the one doubling down now. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 19:06:34 GMT -6
So now someone who has spent decades developing Metabolic Syndrome can blame the current US administration if they develop severe complications from COVID-19. What the hell are you babbling about?
Nonsense, that's what. Grasping at straws tyo shore up an inherently faulty premise.
Dig it - the response to Covid 19 has been wildly successful throughout mosy of Europe - everrywhere that complied with the need for masks, quarantine, etc.
This has not been the case in the USA, which is still acting like Italy in February.
What's different?
Our government's response, that's what.
Nonsense.
Many don't. Many do. There is NO WAY to tell who will and who won't.
That is a bunch of crap. Show me figures from a legitemate source.
You can't. Because they don't exist.
So the truth comes out. "TDS" - you are so full of it.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 4, 2020 19:26:07 GMT -6
So now someone who has spent decades developing Metabolic Syndrome can blame the current US administration if they develop severe complications from COVID-19. What the hell are you babbling about?
Nonsense, that's what. Grasping at straws tyo shore up an inherently faulty premise.
Dig it - the response to Covid 19 has been wildly successful throughout mosy of Europe - everrywhere that complied with the need for masks, quarantine, etc.
This has not been the case in the USA, which is still acting like Italy in February.
What's different?
Our government's response, that's what.
Nonsense.
Many don't. Many do. There is NO WAY to tell who will and who won't.
That is a bunch of crap. Show me figures from a legitemate source.
You can't. Because they don't exist.
So the truth comes out. "TDS" - you are so full of it.
John you asked for stats on people having mild cases of Covid so here you go. Page two days that 80% of people are mild to asymptotic. The source? The WHO: www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_4#:~:text=For%20COVID%2D19%2C,infections%2C%20requiring%20ventilation. Other studies have shown that 40-50% are asymptomatic (I can find the study later when I have more time if you’d like). And some case studies from prisons have shown as high as 90-95% asymptomatic rate (I’d look it up but I’m at work and it’s difficult in my phone, but I can forward you the link if you want But yeah, very credible data suggests that most cases are mild or completely asymptomatic |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 19:38:41 GMT -6
Maybe you should be more careful about what you say and the context in which you say it.
I don't eat "unhealthy", but I also don't fall over myself for the latest food faddist diets, etc.
And yet this "guy", who has never met me, makes assumptions about me and everyone else in my age bracket. FFS John it was never about YOU. It was a generalisation which statistics show to be far more correct than not.
You just chose to hijack the discussion and make it about YOU. However this undoubtedly does apply to you... You're right, it's not "about me".
But it's not about "me" specifically - it's about older people, which is a group I happen to belong to. It's no more "about me" than it's about Jews, or "White people" (I don't believe in white or black people, BTW - my clothes are black and my writing paper is white, they don't make people in those colors. Or "men". Or any other bullshit group.
It's about HUMANITY.
It's about all of us. Including those who are too damn stupid to understand that.
YOU are the one(s) trying to hijack this and make it "about me".
Which, BTW, is a favorite tactic of your fearless "leader".
When somebody points out a problem with you, you try to turn it back on them.
Not going to work this time.
What "statistics"? You can "prove" anything with statistics, no matter how ludicrous.
You have to look at the source of the stastics and, these days, often need to research the source to find out who is really behind it.
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Post by svart on Jul 4, 2020 19:50:57 GMT -6
What the hell are you babbling about?
Nonsense, that's what. Grasping at straws tyo shore up an inherently faulty premise.
Dig it - the response to Covid 19 has been wildly successful throughout mosy of Europe - everrywhere that complied with the need for masks, quarantine, etc.
This has not been the case in the USA, which is still acting like Italy in February.
What's different?
Our government's response, that's what.
Nonsense.
Many don't. Many do. There is NO WAY to tell who will and who won't.
That is a bunch of crap. Show me figures from a legitemate source.
You can't. Because they don't exist.
So the truth comes out. "TDS" - you are so full of it.
John you asked for stats on people having mild cases of Covid so here you go. Page two days that 80% of people are mild to asymptotic. The source? The WHO: www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_4#:~:text=For%20COVID%2D19%2C,infections%2C%20requiring%20ventilation. Other studies have shown that 40-50% are asymptomatic (I can find the study later when I have more time if you’d like). And some case studies from prisons have shown as high as 90-95% asymptomatic rate (I’d look it up but I’m at work and it’s difficult in my phone, but I can forward you the link if you want But yeah, very credible data suggests that most cases are mild or completely asymptomatic I think you'll find that cooler heads tried to talk sense into him earlier in the thread about covid, to no avail. I'm sure he's not going to suddenly be open minded now. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 20:00:04 GMT -6
MARCH 6, 2020.
That's when your "source" published that.
At the speed which which the disease progresses, a 3 month old article is pretty useless.
Back when that came out they didn't even understand that the virus has many affects that are (a) not confined to the respiratory system and (B) much, much longer in effect than was thought - as recently as 2 or 3 months ago.
But you probably knew that.
56,015 new cases YESTERDAY in the USA. Hot off the TV news.
Bet you didn't know THAT.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 20:08:25 GMT -6
John you asked for stats on people having mild cases of Covid so here you go. Page two days that 80% of people are mild to asymptotic. The source? The WHO: www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_4#:~:text=For%20COVID%2D19%2C,infections%2C%20requiring%20ventilation. Other studies have shown that 40-50% are asymptomatic (I can find the study later when I have more time if you’d like). And some case studies from prisons have shown as high as 90-95% asymptomatic rate (I’d look it up but I’m at work and it’s difficult in my phone, but I can forward you the link if you want But yeah, very credible data suggests that most cases are mild or completely asymptomatic I think you'll find that cooler heads tried to talk sense into him earlier in the thread about covid, to no avail. I'm sure he's not going to suddenly be open minded now. "Cooler heads"? Back atcha! I'm not the one quoting "data" that's more than 3 months old.
I'm not the one spreading vicious comments about my fellow citizens.
I'm not the one saying that large portions of the population deserve to die.
Don't you watch the news?
Right now Europe is opening up, since they've pretty much got everything under control. But they're not letting us in. Because we DON'T. And because everything we do heads the wrong way. And I hate to say it, but they're RIGHT.
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 20:13:39 GMT -6
John you asked for stats on people having mild cases of Covid so here you go. Page two days that 80% of people are mild to asymptotic. The source? The WHO: www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_4#:~:text=For%20COVID%2D19%2C,infections%2C%20requiring%20ventilation. Other studies have shown that 40-50% are asymptomatic (I can find the study later when I have more time if you’d like). And some case studies from prisons have shown as high as 90-95% asymptomatic rate (I’d look it up but I’m at work and it’s difficult in my phone, but I can forward you the link if you want But yeah, very credible data suggests that most cases are mild or completely asymptomatic I think you'll find that cooler heads tried to talk sense into him earlier in the thread about covid, to no avail. I'm sure he's not going to suddenly be open minded now. I'm totally open minded. To legitemate scientific journals and publications.
I don't pay attention to politically controlled propaganda outlets.
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Post by rowmat on Jul 4, 2020 20:29:16 GMT -6
MARCH 6, 2020.
That's when your "source" published that.
At the speed which which the disease progresses, a 3 month old article is pretty useless.
Back when that came out they didn't even understand that the virus has many affects that are (a) not confined to the respiratory system and (B) much, much longer in effect than was thought - as recently as 2 or 3 months ago.
But you probably knew that.
56,015 new cases YESTERDAY in the USA. Hot off the TV news.
Bet you didn't know THAT.
It's not rocket science that more testing will reveal more cases and in fact there will be far more than 56,015 cases YESTERDAY as you put it because most cases are asymptomatic and go untested. So the actual morbidity rate will end up being far lower as a percentage than it will based on the official positive test stats. |
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Post by svart on Jul 4, 2020 20:38:17 GMT -6
MARCH 6, 2020.
That's when your "source" published that.
At the speed which which the disease progresses, a 3 month old article is pretty useless.
Back when that came out they didn't even understand that the virus has many affects that are (a) not confined to the respiratory system and (B) much, much longer in effect than was thought - as recently as 2 or 3 months ago.
But you probably knew that.
56,015 new cases YESTERDAY in the USA. Hot off the TV news.
Bet you didn't know THAT.
It's not rocket science that more testing will reveal more cases and in fact there will be far more than 56,015 cases YESTERDAY as you put it because most cases are asymptomatic and go untested. So the actual morbidity rate will end up being far lower as a percentage than it will based on the official positive test stats. But the WHO isn't reliable source according to him.. LoL. No matter who anyone quotes, it'll be wrong, pushing an agenda, too old, too new, not cited, from the wrong source, etc. It must get tiring for him pushing around the goalposts all the time. It's certainly tiring hearing him claim I said something that I didn't. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 4, 2020 21:01:35 GMT -6
MARCH 6, 2020.
That's when your "source" published that.
At the speed which which the disease progresses, a 3 month old article is pretty useless.
Back when that came out they didn't even understand that the virus has many affects that are (a) not confined to the respiratory system and (B) much, much longer in effect than was thought - as recently as 2 or 3 months ago.
But you probably knew that.
56,015 new cases YESTERDAY in the USA. Hot off the TV news.
Bet you didn't know THAT.
Despite what you might think, I don't have an agenda. In fact I don't have a stake in this fight at all...So yeah, no need to be a dick. But you seem to claim that there are no reputable stats to back up the claim that the majority of Covid Cases are mild. So here are a few more. We all know the challenges that come with trying to gather and assemble these types of studies. Anyone can poke holes in them because there are so many variables and so many unknowns at this point. Still, it the best data we have (even if its far from perfect). Feel free to ignore these stats, but when you do it just comes off as disingenuous
For those that have the time or inclination to read those links, Here's an excerpt from the CDC's guidelines - Updated June 30
Illness Severity
The largest cohort reported of >44,000 persons with COVID-19 from China showed that illness severity can range from mild to critical:36
Mild to moderate (mild symptoms up to mild pneumonia): 81%
Severe (dyspnea, hypoxia, or >50% lung involvement on imaging): 14%
Critical (respiratory failure, shock, or multiorgan system dysfunction): 5%
In this study, all deaths occurred among patients with critical illness, and the overall case fatality rate was 2.3%.36 The case fatality rate among patients with critical disease was 49%.36 Among children in China, illness severity was lower with 94% having asymptomatic, mild, or moderate disease; 5% having severe disease; and <1% having critical disease.16 Among U.S. COVID-19 cases with known disposition, the proportion of persons who were hospitalized was 19%.37 The proportion of persons with COVID-19 admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) was 6%.37
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 4, 2020 21:04:04 GMT -6
John you asked for stats on people having mild cases of Covid so here you go. Page two days that 80% of people are mild to asymptotic. The source? The WHO: www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_4#:~:text=For%20COVID%2D19%2C,infections%2C%20requiring%20ventilation. Other studies have shown that 40-50% are asymptomatic (I can find the study later when I have more time if you’d like). And some case studies from prisons have shown as high as 90-95% asymptomatic rate (I’d look it up but I’m at work and it’s difficult in my phone, but I can forward you the link if you want But yeah, very credible data suggests that most cases are mild or completely asymptomatic I think you'll find that cooler heads tried to talk sense into him earlier in the thread about covid, to no avail. I'm sure he's not going to suddenly be open minded now. Yeah, I guess we all know what it is... |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 4, 2020 23:30:54 GMT -6
MARCH 6, 2020.
That's when your "source" published that.
At the speed which which the disease progresses, a 3 month old article is pretty useless.
Back when that came out they didn't even understand that the virus has many affects that are (a) not confined to the respiratory system and (B) much, much longer in effect than was thought - as recently as 2 or 3 months ago.
But you probably knew that.
56,015 new cases YESTERDAY in the USA. Hot off the TV news.
Bet you didn't know THAT.
It's not rocket science that more testing will reveal more cases and in fact there will be far more than 56,015 cases YESTERDAY as you put it because most cases are asymptomatic and go untested. So the actual morbidity rate will end up being far lower as a percentage than it will based on the official positive test stats. Well, that would have been a reasonable extraopolation a month ago, but since then it has been discovered that many, many people have much longer effects from the virus and we also don't know that those asymptomatic cases won't flare at some later time.
Heart, kidneys, spleen, liver, all can be affected. And we don't know the long term effects.
We just don't know.
And, as I believe I said previously, in situations like this you don't assume the best possible outcome, you assume the worst. Because if you assume the best the odds are you'll get blindsided. If you assume the worst at least you're expecting what happens.
I can't believe the number of otherwise intelligent people around here who just don't get that.
ALWAYS assume that things will go against you. Then you MIGHT be pleasantly surprised.
I would be overjoyed to be pleasantly surprised by this virus, but the way things are going so far I'm spot on. All you have to do is watch the regular network news - almost any channel except Faux. And even Faux has been forced to agree on a number of things recently.
I hate being right about this stuff.
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Post by drbill on Jul 5, 2020 0:16:14 GMT -6
It's not rocket science that more testing will reveal more cases and in fact there will be far more than 56,015 cases YESTERDAY as you put it because most cases are asymptomatic and go untested. So the actual morbidity rate will end up being far lower as a percentage than it will based on the official positive test stats.
We just don't know. Aside from the BS this thread has turned into......regarding the bolded above..... Indeed. Chris Cross has been partially paralyzed in complications with Covid. He is recovering, but said to a mutual friend that it was the worst sickness he ever had.... Covid triggered a weird immune system disorder that left him partially paralyzed. www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52323046He's getting better and re-learning how to walk now. Hopefully his vocal chords and fingers will be OK. There are other cases I'm familiar with that had no respiratory complications but other weird stuff. We just don't know everything about this virus yet. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 5, 2020 17:38:47 GMT -6
MARCH 6, 2020.
That's when your "source" published that.
At the speed which which the disease progresses, a 3 month old article is pretty useless.
Back when that came out they didn't even understand that the virus has many affects that are (a) not confined to the respiratory system and (B) much, much longer in effect than was thought - as recently as 2 or 3 months ago.
But you probably knew that.
56,015 new cases YESTERDAY in the USA. Hot off the TV news.
Bet you didn't know THAT.
It's not rocket science that more testing will reveal more cases and in fact there will be far more than 56,015 cases YESTERDAY as you put it because most cases are asymptomatic and go untested. So the actual morbidity rate will end up being far lower as a percentage than it will based on the official positive test stats. You make 2 giant assumptions. 1 who are you testing? If your pool testing or testing a bunch of isolated athletes daily your going to skew your data, sure you will find a couple of positive’s but not like out in the real world. 2. Deaths will be recorde being recorded as pneumonia d as Covid related. Still a lot of home deaths of those undiagnosed recorded as pneumonia. |
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