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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2014 0:02:15 GMT -6
And many others (please identify yourselves) You tried to tell me...multiple times...I think something like this was said: "Why do you want an Apollo Twin? You already have some good analog outboard gear..." and "Your money would be better spent on room treatment..." (Svart, I think)...And I scoffed with thoughts of weathered GUIs dancing in my head..."THAT will make me sound better!!...(than the $10,000 chain I already have  ) Here I sit - with my buyers remorse, realizing I made a mistake. I could have bought another Heider...or 2 Missing Links...Or an Awtac Channel Amp (with " transitors" no less)...or an AEA mic...or another Helios...or even paid off a credit card. BUT - I decided to spend my last week and a half trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit...well, it's not chicken shit AT ALL. It's a great box...but it ain't the real deal. The thing that ULTIMATELY did it in for me was the workflow. The Console software just seems really counterintuitive to me...and ultimately, the Twin's features are just too limited for what I needed. But that was my fault...I tried to make a square peg fit in a round hole. So, tomorrow, I take the walk of shame back to my sales guy. He's gonna LOVE me. I'll need to buy a UAD satellite though, so maybe I'll just take a hit, sell it on CL and buy a used sat duo for like $400... The good news however is that I got 9 UAD plugs for around $100 apiece with all the promo's for buying it! |
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Post by svart on Mar 24, 2014 7:23:09 GMT -6
Well, I'm not going to say I told you so.. But I did..  But seriously, I've been there too. I've spent tons of money on things thinking the same tired I'll be the one to make this work where others have failed and it just never seems to work out. On the other hand, if you have debt, pay that off! Debt is a terrible terrible thing to have. You'd be amazed how much more spending money you'd have if you didn't have to pay APR on credit. I have a few friends who make more than me, pretty much eat ramen and water all the time because they have so much of it! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2014 8:05:32 GMT -6
Well, it IS no interest debt... |
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Post by popmann on Mar 24, 2014 10:24:01 GMT -6
I saw it on CL before I saw this...
I wish you gear peace, brotha. You'll get there. Glad to help any way I can.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 24, 2014 10:31:56 GMT -6
Hey Johnkenn, I bet my BLA EQ in the classifieds would get you where you want to go! Haha |
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 24, 2014 10:52:54 GMT -6
Hey Johnkenn, I bet my BLA EQ in the classifieds would get you where you want to go! Haha Don't offer crack to a crackhead...cough, cough I mean Gear to a gearhead! John, I hate the walk of shame and Ive had to do it a number of times. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2014 11:19:13 GMT -6
Just sold it...and buying a Satellite quad for half price...You gotta love Craigslist!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2014 11:22:48 GMT -6
Hey Johnkenn, I bet my BLA EQ in the classifieds would get you where you want to go! Haha Don't offer crack to a crackhead...cough, cough I mean Gear to a gearhead! John, I hate the walk of shame and Ive had to do it a number of times. Ha! I know...Problem is I just did it the last time I bought a big ticket item. Actually, it all works out. I sold the Twin for $200 off and bought a Quad Satellite for $400 off. If I had exchanged for a Quad at GC, the best I could have done was a straight up trade. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2014 16:32:50 GMT -6
Anybody wanna buy a SPDIF coax to OPT adapter...or a AES to OPTICAL Adapter...sigh...
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 24, 2014 16:38:20 GMT -6
I can't speak to the Twin. Never tried it and have no intention. But I can say with confidence this Apollo 8 rig I have here is solid gold to me. Again there are differences because I don't use PT as my main DAW. Apollo works very slick with Cubase and I have had issues with PT. P.S. The walk of shame doesn't bother me at all. These companies are scrambling for their market share and they all make their own rules. Try before you buy?? Will do, thanks.  |
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 24, 2014 18:01:37 GMT -6
I love the workflow of the console man.... and I'm with cowboycoalminer on this one..... the apollo quad is an amazing piece of gear and works great. I did some research on that Twin, and I just couldn't understand how that could be practically used in a professional environment, just not enough options on the gear itself. Glad ya figured it out and are holding your head up down the long walk of gear shame I had to do it when I sold my Proacs.... but it gets easier. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 25, 2014 7:35:52 GMT -6
See, I can't imagine anyone selling ProAcs...horses for courses...
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 25, 2014 8:01:23 GMT -6
I probably would have been more likely to keep it if I had the big boy Apollo - cowboycoalminer pointed that out before I bought the Twin...but the Twin appealed to me specifically because it was half the price to get in to UAD on the way in...but, there just weren't enough outs to keep my workflow the same. Not enough outs to send to the headphone system - I didn't take into account that two of the outs were used up going to the monitors...If it had a digital out, it could've worked. |
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Post by popmann on Aug 19, 2014 12:17:20 GMT -6
Hey....did you ever get this to work? I could bore you all with why....but, suffice to say I want to try hooking the "big input chain" up for doing my writing demos in the Kronos, which only accepts optical SPDIF. Burl outputs coax....so... Alright-I guess the point of these discussions is to bore you with why. So... I recently collected all my "song scraps" (what I call melody song cycles and riffs with partial to no lyric) in one place and ensure that I have stereo (bounced) versions with the nonesense vocal for melody documentation....and without to write lyrics to....so, since CD is dead to me, I bounced everything to 48khz. Now, the Cubase stuff was mostly 88.2 and 96....the Kronos is LOCKED at 48khz (meaning won't go higher OR lower)...so, while I was doing the bounces I thought "man, Cubase is a such a PIA compared to the Kronos--that's the trade off--it's SOUNDS better, Kronos is easier"....then once they were all 48khz stereo files, I pulled them up on my big "listening stereo"--and I could make an argument that the EITHER sounded better. The Kronos sounded more finished (ironically since there's like almost nothing done to anything) and put together....and the Cubase stuff, individual tracks seemed bigger and more realistic. So, I thought for the next writing sessions I should hook up the "big input" channels, rather than dangling the sm7 off the back of the Kronos with an impedance adapter  ...see how that changes the scenario. It's certainly not "harder" to use my big input chain (as in something that would distract me while doing writing demos)--it's just configured for use with the big Cubase DAW (which absolutely WILL distract me ) .... I saw Levon (I think) linked to this one: www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2500202&csid=_61&SRCCODE=LSCAN&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&utm_source=Linkshare&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=je6NUbpObpQ&AffiliateID=je6NUbpObpQ-q1gzEVG6bg00C17QsgLocQ....it seems to go the other direction (converting toslink to coax) --does it actually go one way in EITHER direction? I remembered you had some issues getting your to work... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 19, 2014 12:48:53 GMT -6
It was iffy at best. I ended up selling it because there wasn't a digital output. Ended getting the big boy Apollo. So I don't need any convertors. If you need any this stuff, I have the coax to optical converter and an unopened AES to SPDIF m-audio thingy (I think that's what it is.)
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Post by popmann on Aug 19, 2014 14:23:53 GMT -6
Yes, I need a coax>optical box....what's the AES box? An old CO3?
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Post by donr on Aug 19, 2014 14:42:32 GMT -6
Hey....did you ever get this to work? I could bore you all with why....but, suffice to say I want to try hooking the "big input chain" up for doing my writing demos in the Kronos, which only accepts optical SPDIF. Burl outputs coax....so... Alright-I guess the point of these discussions is to bore you with why. So... I recently collected all my "song scraps" (what I call melody song cycles and riffs with partial to no lyric) in one place and ensure that I have stereo (bounced) versions with the nonesense vocal for melody documentation....and without to write lyrics to....so, since CD is dead to me, I bounced everything to 48khz. Now, the Cubase stuff was mostly 88.2 and 96....the Kronos is LOCKED at 48khz (meaning won't go higher OR lower)...so, while I was doing the bounces I thought "man, Cubase is a such a PIA compared to the Kronos--that's the trade off--it's SOUNDS better, Kronos is easier"....then once they were all 48khz stereo files, I pulled them up on my big "listening stereo"--and I could make an argument that the EITHER sounded better. The Kronos sounded more finished (ironically since there's like almost nothing done to anything) and put together....and the Cubase stuff, individual tracks seemed bigger and more realistic. So, I thought for the next writing sessions I should hook up the "big input" channels, rather than dangling the sm7 off the back of the Kronos with an impedance adapter ...see how that changes the scenario. It's certainly not "harder" to use my big input chain (as in something that would distract me while doing writing demos)--it's just configured for use with the big Cubase DAW (which absolutely WILL distract me ) .... I saw Levon (I think) linked to this one: www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2500202&csid=_61&SRCCODE=LSCAN&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&utm_source=Linkshare&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=je6NUbpObpQ&AffiliateID=je6NUbpObpQ-q1gzEVG6bg00C17QsgLocQ....it seems to go the other direction (converting toslink to coax) --does it actually go one way in EITHER direction? I remembered you had some issues getting your to work... I've got that very adapter. It goes toslink to coax. I bought it to use with an idle MH ULN-2 as a high quality D/A for my Apple TV. It works, although the power jack promptly broke and I wound up hard soldering the wall wart leads inside the unit. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 19, 2014 15:26:31 GMT -6
Yes, I need a coax>optical box....what's the AES box? An old CO3? No - a HOSA ODL-312 |
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Post by LesC on Aug 19, 2014 21:05:18 GMT -6
I think I linked to that, there are both an optical-in to rca-out and an rca-in to optical out versions. They are one-way, so two different convertors.
I have used them for months, going from/to my Kemper (which is rca) and to/from my UFX (optical), for both recording and reamping. Never had a problem, just plugged them in and they work. I didn't have digital cables, so I tried using a couple of RCA audio cables, again no problem.
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Post by wiz on Aug 19, 2014 21:19:43 GMT -6
I nearly bout one too at one point @johnkenn so don't feel too bad 8)
the more I do this, the more I think its all before the AD that matters and thats where I need to put my money 8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by popmann on Aug 20, 2014 6:02:50 GMT -6
I think I linked to that, there are both an optical-in to rca-out and an rca-in to optical out versions. They are one-way, so two different convertors. I have used them for months, going from/to my Kemper (which is rca) and to/from my UFX (optical), for both recording and reamping. Never had a problem, just plugged them in and they work. I didn't have digital cables, so I tried using a couple of RCA audio cables, again no problem. Thanks. Sounds like what I need. I'll look back for the link to the correct direction. Thanks, Les. |
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Post by popmann on Aug 20, 2014 6:30:04 GMT -6
I nearly bout one too at one point @johnkenn so don't feel too bad 8) the more I do this, the more I think its all before the AD that matters and thats where I need to put my money 8) cheers Wiz And at double rate, you REALLY won't care. I admittedly bought the Burl for my weird little goal of being able to work the same into any system--it allows me to use the built in EQ/comp/etc to a little better ends...which are tools where even a MBAir or iPad (or Surface) can run a full mix at 96khz. So, I feel like I can pretty well record to anything now and make myself happy. ....it's been so long since I've seen something with (only) optical SPDIF...anyway--thus the box above. |
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Post by LesC on Aug 20, 2014 15:19:54 GMT -6
I think I linked to that, there are both an optical-in to rca-out and an rca-in to optical out versions. They are one-way, so two different convertors. I have used them for months, going from/to my Kemper (which is rca) and to/from my UFX (optical), for both recording and reamping. Never had a problem, just plugged them in and they work. I didn't have digital cables, so I tried using a couple of RCA audio cables, again no problem. Thanks. Sounds like what I need. I'll look back for the link to the correct direction. Thanks, Les. I didn't realize the Burl B2 ADC had an RCA Spdif out until you mentioned it, I've only used the Burl's AES/EBU into my UFX. If you like, I'll pass some stuff through the Burl and record from both the AES/EBU and the RCA Spdif using the RCA-to-optical convertor and make sure that the resulting audio files are identical. Unfortunately, just because the convertor works with my UFX doesn't necessarily mean it will work with another box, as John discovered (sorry for the recommendation John). At least the RCA-to-optical convertor is only about $19, so not a huge loss if it doesn't work for you. Here is my original post: www.realgearonline.com/post/13794 |
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Post by popmann on Aug 20, 2014 18:42:26 GMT -6
No need. Thanks, though. TigerDirect USA says they're no longer stocked....but, RadioShack carries them online.
So, did it not work for you, John, or did the "whole setup" not work for you?
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Post by popmann on Aug 26, 2014 14:31:24 GMT -6
The above "CablesToGo" Coax>Optical arrived today....plugged in....Burl into the Kronos at 48khz. Done. Knock on wood....mine seems to function perfectly fine. What's odd is I didn't really even set any clocking in the Kronos--I don't know if it's simply resampling everything on the spdif IN (many units do) or if it picks up the clock and runs with it...or I simply got lucky and didn't have any issues....my guess is it resamples like the Akai did...
Who knows how useful it will end up being....I just thought it was funny--after making this big deal about being able to plug the Burl into whatever I felt like recording to....that I have a recorder currently sitting in my studio with only optical SPDIF! Ha.
So, now I"m making me some "hifi" writing demos, yo....
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...see how that changes the scenario. It's certainly not "harder" to use my big input chain (as in something that would distract me while doing writing demos)--it's just configured for use with the big Cubase DAW (which absolutely WILL distract me 
