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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2020 18:22:50 GMT -6
OK - finally got to turn it up. Dude - that sounds fantastic. The best you've sounded IMO. Anyway - I would say like most others - it's the crashes that bother me. Maybe try playing with the velocity of the cymbals. Bring them way down...also thought there were too many. Guitars sound fantastic and the stereo image is killer. Hey John thanks so much for taking the time and effort to check it out properly... Its really cool of you. Considering the crashes are the stock kit, and I am new to them, I am sure by album time, I will have them dialled in...thats the wonderful thing about S3 I can go back at anytime and change them, and delete if too many etc.... I am really enjoying tracking my vocal and guitar at same time through the apollo with Capitol Chambers verb in the cans.. really sets the mood. Its getting really good performances out of me.... the most important thing. thanks again bud Cheers Wiz What settings are you using in CC?
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Post by wiz on Mar 17, 2020 18:30:19 GMT -6
tracking Mixing
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Post by svart on Mar 18, 2020 8:11:57 GMT -6
Took another listen.
I don't know why you guys are saying the cymbals need work. They sound perfect to me. They sound like tarnished old zildjians, which would be the perfect choice for this type of songwriting.
Hey Wiz, care to share more detail about what you did with the mix itself, like EQ and such? I agree with others, it has a perfect roundness to it and I wonder if you did anything interesting to say the electric guitars during mixing.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2020 8:47:36 GMT -6
Took another listen. I don't know why you guys are saying the cymbals need work. They sound perfect to me. They sound like tarnished old zildjians, which would be the perfect choice for this type of songwriting. Hey Wiz, care to share more detail about what you did with the mix itself, like EQ and such? I agree with others, it has a perfect roundness to it and I wonder if you did anything interesting to say the electric guitars during mixing. Not the sound to me, it’s the volume/velocity.
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Post by svart on Mar 18, 2020 9:03:44 GMT -6
Took another listen. I don't know why you guys are saying the cymbals need work. They sound perfect to me. They sound like tarnished old zildjians, which would be the perfect choice for this type of songwriting. Hey Wiz, care to share more detail about what you did with the mix itself, like EQ and such? I agree with others, it has a perfect roundness to it and I wonder if you did anything interesting to say the electric guitars during mixing. Not the sound to me, it’s the volume/velocity. Ok, but it still sounds great to me.
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Post by ragan on Mar 18, 2020 9:24:57 GMT -6
I still like 'em too. Their wide panning makes them sound sort of distinct from the kit but I've gotten that same kind of sound (especially on softer hit cymbals) on mic'd kits many times before too. If Wiz wants them less distinct from the kick/snare he could take a mono room mic and tuck the cymbals gently in them. But I think they're lovely as is.
And yeah, that's the truly wild thing about SD3, you can pretty much get any sound you want. I've used alternate OH mics purely for the cymbals or pulled them completely out of OH altogether and only had them in rooms. You can pitch them up/down, change velocity, add/remove. It's amazing.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2020 10:22:04 GMT -6
I’m no drum(mer) expert - I’ve just noticed befor that decreasing the velocity of crash hits made things go from “that really sounds fake” to “wow - can’t believe just that changed it so much.”
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2020 10:27:04 GMT -6
I’m also fascinated with the thought of getting an actual kit. Problem is, I’ve NEVER really played one. It’s the one instrument I didn’t even really attempt. But I do wonder if having sticks hitting a pad might really make things easier. Since I’ve never played with my feet, I wonder if something like a Roland spx might be an improvement over maschine. I’d love to hear some studio drummers play on a kit to see how things come out.
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Post by svart on Mar 18, 2020 11:26:16 GMT -6
I’m also fascinated with the thought of getting an actual kit. Problem is, I’ve NEVER really played one. It’s the one instrument I didn’t even really attempt. But I do wonder if having sticks hitting a pad might really make things easier. Since I’ve never played with my feet, I wonder if something like a Roland spx might be an improvement over maschine. I’d love to hear some studio drummers play on a kit to see how things come out. Having recorded a lot of drums and playing drums for 25 years.. It's a big, big difference between the processed "perfection" from samples to the noisy mess that real drums are. Even with the bleed turned up on samples and such, there's just so much more going on with the real thing that gets in the way. if I wasn't already a drummer, I'd probably stick with samples for the ease of it all unless you just wanted to learn how to play and record drums.
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Post by ragan on Mar 18, 2020 11:37:49 GMT -6
It's a universe of difference, triggering SD3 with V Drums vs pads. But that's coming from the perspective of someone who's been playing the drums all his life. I'm certain there are great pad-players out there. I just don't know how you get all the nuance and touch out of pads. SD3 does a remarkable job with that stuff if you give it the right input, which for me means a V Drums kit.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 18, 2020 12:39:39 GMT -6
Really nice song and recording. I love the sound of your voice. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2020 17:45:47 GMT -6
Took another listen. I don't know why you guys are saying the cymbals need work. They sound perfect to me. They sound like tarnished old zildjians, which would be the perfect choice for this type of songwriting. Hey Wiz, care to share more detail about what you did with the mix itself, like EQ and such? I agree with others, it has a perfect roundness to it and I wonder if you did anything interesting to say the electric guitars during mixing. Hey bud nothing special... UAD plugs 1073EQ on each track... , LA2A on guitars, 670 on vocal....Oxide on individual tracks, SSL G Buss and ATR102 on stereo buss.... Capitol Chambers and Bricasti M7 Waits room. Electric guitars are just a preset i made in the Helix LT with capitol chambers on it. cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2020 17:47:08 GMT -6
Really nice song and recording. I love the sound of your voice. Thanks for sharing. thank you Cheers Wiz
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 18, 2020 17:52:30 GMT -6
I’m a drummer. I like dynamics, ghost stroking, and soft subtle playing on different material. My projects I used to work on back when I had my Roland TD-20 kit and SD2. It was a pain to program and the VH-11 hihat didn’t respond very good and it drove me crazy because I couldn’t even use the expensive hihat I bought. It just didn’t work like I thought it would. The dynamics were wacked. I had to do so many configurations in the brain and the software to get the kit where I liked it. I would just lose the time and the patience. Gave up and sold it all. Now that SD3 is out and the new, better brains are available, maybe it works much more flawlessly. I remember it just not working for me and I much preferred acoustic drums over the electronic drums. This was pre SD3, maybe it’s much better now, don’t know.
Btw Wiz, nice song, I don’t really have anything to say critically. I think your song is great, and sounds great. We can shape drums or swap different sounds to our hearts content and it’s mostly personal preference anyway. I definitely appreciate you sharing your approach and settings for your song. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 3:28:16 GMT -6
caught myself humming it yesterday, always a good thing..
technology really has moved on thankfully..
nothing else to say.
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Post by wiz on Mar 19, 2020 16:50:56 GMT -6
Really nice song and recording. I love the sound of your voice. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for checking it out Cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Mar 19, 2020 16:51:28 GMT -6
I’m a drummer. I like dynamics, ghost stroking, and soft subtle playing on different material. My projects I used to work on back when I had my Roland TD-20 kit and SD2. It was a pain to program and the VH-11 hihat didn’t respond very good and it drove me crazy because I couldn’t even use the expensive hihat I bought. It just didn’t work like I thought it would. The dynamics were wacked. I had to do so many configurations in the brain and the software to get the kit where I liked it. I would just lose the time and the patience. Gave up and sold it all. Now that SD3 is out and the new, better brains are available, maybe it works much more flawlessly. I remember it just not working for me and I much preferred acoustic drums over the electronic drums. This was pre SD3, maybe it’s much better now, don’t know. Btw Wiz, nice song, I don’t really have anything to say critically. I think your song is great, and sounds great. We can shape drums or swap different sounds to our hearts content and it’s mostly personal preference anyway. I definitely appreciate you sharing your approach and settings for your song. Thanks. Thanks man Cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Mar 19, 2020 16:51:49 GMT -6
caught myself humming it yesterday, always a good thing.. technology really has moved on thankfully.. nothing else to say. Thanks bud Cheers Wiz
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Post by proxy on Mar 21, 2020 0:37:21 GMT -6
Yes. I just love that photo of him. The joy. I feel you feel that joy through the things he made. I look nothing like that LoL Great song, and recording. For anyone else considering Apollo x8, I agree,100% with every point of the review. Thanks for sharing. Thank you for checking it out Cheers Wiz (thats Leo right?)
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Post by wiz on Mar 28, 2020 17:25:36 GMT -6
Well I am just falling in love with the new setup. Its working out brilliantly. I am having an absolute blast tracking acoustic guitar and vocal at the same time and using the Capitol Chambers as comfort verb. I walk in the studio, turn the stuff on, take the covers off the mic's, open my logic project template, call up the console preset for the Apollo, and hit record. Then add my UA Plugs, and bingo .... Here is an example of that, now.. one great thing about not committing during tracking, you will hear in this when I dig in on the acoustic guitar it gets some harmonic distortion and a touch of perhaps over compression, that is coming from the UA Oxide plug in... its not committed so I could actually automate (I think you can at least) the input and outs levels of oxide (and if thats not possible just put a gain plug in before it and automate the level going into it) and clean that up a bit. It is by far the best sounding tracking mix I have ever had in my cans.... and is just so wonderful to play and sing in. The song is one of mine...thanks everyone for the feedback appreciate the time and effort. Cheers Wiz Light Don't Shine
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